Is swearing really that vulgar?

[ReverendDG]

Proper etiquette, good manners, is a sign of education. It indicates the ability to control yourself. It indicates a respect for the feelings and sensitivities of those around you. An awareness of their sensibilities. Good manners are considered an essential part of civilized behavior, as opposed to wild behavior.

i think its somewhat important, but i think actions are way more important, if you assess people based solely on etiquette your priorities are skewed imo

Every culture has rules of etiquette.

yes, and most of them are stupid

In our country, swearing, cursing, etc., are considered bad manners. Part of this is because swearing implies a lack of self control. Part of it is because a significant number of people use it as a way of appearing tough and vulgar.

i think intent matters more than the words used, if you care more about the words used than the intent then you really are missing the point. i don't think it implies what you believe it does,

How many of you would stand up in church or say from a stage, "Be right back, have to go take a p**s?" Wouldn't you be more inclined to think, "Excuse me. I will be right back," is proper? Wouldn't you think more highly of the second than the first? The first person wants to offend. They want to call attention to themselves. They want to shock.

wouldn't you try to shock people who are offended by words? i know i would

If you are at home, and you slam a hammer onto your thumb, and you utter a curse word, odds are, no one other than your grandmother is going to be offended.

nah she would just laugh

If you are at a business meeting, and you slam a desk drawer on your thumb, and you utter a loud curse word, you may end up costing yourself a promotion because your coworkers will view it as a sign of lack of self control.

really? you mean your coworkers are so afraid of words that they would deny you a job based on what words you use?

 

[BlackBerry]

Is swearing really that vulgar? I personally do not think so.

Do some people choose to be really that offended by it? Yes.

 

[YDOAPS]

"I don't care what the Bible says! There's nothing wrong with swearing!"


Is that basically what you guys are getting at?

 

[WatersMoon110]

"I don't care what the Bible says! There's nothing wrong with swearing!"

Is that basically what you guys are getting at?

Except the Bible doesn't really say "don't say these words which will someday in the distant future be considered 'naughty'."

Even the verse you mentioned:

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of thy mouth but that which is good to the use of edifying that it my minister grace unto its hearers"-Ephesians 4:29

When taken in context, I don't think that Paul is really talking about curse words, but about not bad mouthing and arguing with fellow Christians. He really seems to be stressing to stop being angry, and to forgive one another, which leads me to believe that there was some big drama going on in the Church of the Ephesians.

Ephesians 4:25-5:2:
"So then, putting away falsehood, let all of us speak the truth to our neighbors, for we are members of one another. Be angry but do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not make room for the devil. Thieves must give up stealing; rather let them labor and work honestly with their own hands, so as to have something to share with the needy. Let no evil talk come out of your mouths, but only what is useful for building up, as there is need, so that your words may give grace to those who hear. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with which you were marked with a seal for the day of redemption. Put away from you all bitterness and wrath and anger and wrangling and slander, together with all malice, forgiving one another, as God in Christ has forgiven you. Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children, and live in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God."

 

[Verv]

And God's name isn't 'God' any more than my father's name is 'Dad' or my GP's name is 'Doctor'. Shouldn't we actually avoid saying 'I am'?

But since I am not a Jew, I do not feel much proximity to the Hebrew language and the importance of YHWH.

Rather, I think the spirit of the Law is to not speak casually about God or do things casually in His Name.

It is why joking about God, even if not necessarily derogative, is wrong.

well no you are only half right, "God" is used in place of YHWH, YHWH was too holy for some people to use after some centuries, but the writers of the bible had no problem writing it.
that maybe what some people did after the exile, but it wasn't how it started
saying Yaweh wasn't a sin, people just stopped using it, because it took on superstitious meaning over the centuries
the reason people write G-d is exactly because they have been taught not to use god causally, ie: taught that its breaking the 3rd commandment
as i said, the 3rd commandment was written to keep people from causally taking oaths on gods name, or serious ones.
we still use it if you ever been a juror "will you tell the truth, the whole truth, so help you god?" thats what its talking about
or taking an oath in the service of god, say a knight templer and failing
the so called taking gods name in vain, is just that, using it falsely, we really need a new bible that people can understand better, it seems to confuse people too much

Well, whenever they started actively copying it that was what the Rabbis who were copying it would do, and I put credence into that as them regarding the name as Holy.

I do not call it a superstition since we are talking about the importance of not taking God's name in vain as a Commandment. What sort of superstition would go into this? Rather, it is the following of a law.

 

[Healed_IHS]

But John the Baptist swore when the Pharisees were coming to be baptized. When he saw them coming he said "You brood of vipers", and that's because if he said "You SOB's", no one would know what he was talking about. He swore, but in his cultural context.

 

[Aeris]

But since I am not a Jew, I do not feel much proximity to the Hebrew language and the importance of YHWH.

Rather, I think the spirit of the Law is to not speak casually about God or do things casually in His Name.

It is why joking about God, even if not necessarily derogative, is wrong.



Well, whenever they started actively copying it that was what the Rabbis who were copying it would do, and I put credence into that as them regarding the name as Holy.

I do not call it a superstition since we are talking about the importance of not taking God's name in vain as a Commandment. What sort of superstition would go into this? Rather, it is the following of a law.

i went to a catholic school in elementry school and high school, and i still cant understand what is so bad about saying "oh my god", its not something i ever really used out of the context of "oh my god did you see that?" or similar situations, so whats so bad about asking god if he saw something?

 

[stan1980]

i went to a catholic school in elementry school and high school, and i still cant understand what is so bad about saying "oh my god", its not something i ever really used out of the context of "oh my god did you see that?" or similar situations, so whats so bad about asking god if he saw something?

I can understand why God might be insulted if you say "oh my god" when something bad happens. If people started saying "oh my Aeris" instead you'd probably not like it much.

Having said all that, if God is real, i'm sure he'd understand that it's just a phrase.