The Amazing Truth In 2john

[Cribstyl]

For the record I have never said the early Christians didn't have the gospel/s. What I said is that the Bible they had at the time was the Old Testament which very much promotes the ten commandments.

Holy smoke screen batman, The majority nations on earth were not God's people and did not have those commandment as a covenant or a law.
The bible follows God's chosing a people for His name to fulfilled His judgment on Satan in Gen3:15. and his promise to Abraham Gen22


The truth to promote is what Jesus summed up from the LAW and the prophets,.(THE O.T.).."Love God and Love your neighbor."
Jim, the gospel is what Saul condemned Stephen about and what Jesus called Him (Paul)to preach to Gentiles all over Rome and beyond. Can you prove from scripture that He taught the law without your usual notext arguments?

I also said the gospel does not invalidate the ten commandments. In fact it supports them in every way. Jesus Christ Himself kept the ten commandments and in His dialog with several folks told them to keep the commandments.

Look at this exchange in Matt 19

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And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
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And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Ex 20:13-16 Dt 5:17-20
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Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ex 20:12 Lev 19:18 Deut 5:16 Matt 5:43 Matt 22:39 Mark 12:31 Rom 13:9 Gal 5:14 Jam 2:8
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The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
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Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Here we have Christ Himself telling the rich young ruler to keep the commandments and even listed many of them. So why didn't He tell the rich young ruler not to worry about keeping the commandments? Because the One who gave them to us and wrote them on stone knew they were still very much intact. If that's a bunch of peanut butter , load me up a big PB&J sammy, cause I want more!!!!!

God Bless
Jim Larmore

You're a funny Jim) It is written that Christ would come "under the Law" so by you showing text of Him as the perfect Jew, teaching the purpose of the law does'nt mean that He has called Gentiles Christains to be "under the law."

Christ's conversation with the Samaritan woman revealed how God would be worshipped in spirit and in truth, not to any specific people, not at any place, or time, but in rather in the heart.

The gospel teaches that Gentiles are not under the law".
It teaches "do not seek to be under the law." Why should I ignor part of the bible call the Gospel given to save me.
I can see your strong effort to ignor the truth and preach people under the law?

When the Jerusalem council concluded they went off in two directions with two different Gospels. Paul to the uncircumcision and Peter, James and John to the circumcision.

Gal 2:3But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
Gal 2:4And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Gal 2:5To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
Gal 2:6But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me:
Gal 2:7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter; Gal 2:8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
Gal 2:9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Gal 2:10Only [they would] that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.




Paul is called the Apostle to the Gentiles because His messages to the Gentiles was opposed by those "under the Law" of the circumcision.


Preach the Gospel Jim, I'll bring the crackers.....you're preaching the law with no texts as back up.

Jim, even those who were under the law had to recieve the gospel to be saved.

In peace
CRIB

 

[Jimlarmore]

Here is a quote from the all about truth website.


It is unlikely the Christian church had access to the Gospels before the epistles. As I said, the Gentiles would not have been mostly culturally Jews



The availability and understanding of the Old Testament by the Gentiles is debatable.



Wasn't the rich young ruler a Hebrew still under the old covenant? Did not Jesus give him even more to do to bury him under the law to drive him to Christ for salvation instead of relying on his own works? This is what I get from the passage.

God bless! Ricker

God makes His covenants only with Israel. Since the literal nation of Israel was rejected at or around the stoning of Stephen the Israel God made the new covenant with is "Spiritual Israel". Paul makes this clear when he says if we be in Christ we are Abraham's seed. He also said that a Jew in the literal sense was not a Jew in the spiritual sense. The laws to be written on the heart are the same laws this verse is taken after in Jeremiah represents and that is the ten commandments.

Also, notice Jesus didn't say not to worry about these laws He mentioned. He never said the rich young ruler was making a mistake by keeping the laws. As a matter of fact the verse clearly reads that keeping the laws is part of entering into life. Jesus never to my knowledge mentioned a new covenant either. If the commandments were to be done away with He certainly had ample opportunity while He was here to say exactly that. Guess what, He never said that,,,,,,,period.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[ricker]

God makes His covenants only with Israel. Since the literal nation of Israel was rejected at or around the stoning of Stephen the Israel God made the new covenant with is "Spiritual Israel". Paul makes this clear when he says if we be in Christ we are Abraham's seed. He also said that a Jew in the literal sense was not a Jew in the spiritual sense. The laws to be written on the heart are the same laws this verse is taken after in Jeremiah represents and that is the ten commandments.

Also, notice Jesus didn't say not to worry about these laws He mentioned. He never said the rich young ruler was making a mistake by keeping the laws. As a matter of fact the verse clearly reads that keeping the laws is part of entering into life. Jesus never to my knowledge mentioned a new covenant either. If the commandments were to be done away with He certainly had ample opportunity while He was here to say exactly that. Guess what, He never said that,,,,,,,period.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." 20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

I'll get back to you, I've got a church meeting to go to.
God bless! Ricker

 

[ricker]

God makes His covenants only with Israel.

God made covenants with Adam and Noah and Abraham. They weren't Israelites.

Since the literal nation of Israel was rejected at or around the stoning of Stephen the Israel God made the new covenant with is "Spiritual Israel".

I really wouldn't mind debating this "spiritual Israel" concept more in depth if you want to. I don't believe it is scriptural.

Paul makes this clear when he says if we be in Christ we are Abraham's seed

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Abraham was the father of both Ishmael and Isaac. He was not an Israelite. He was the recipient of his own covenant with God. He was not under the Mosaic covenant.

He also said that a Jew in the literal sense was not a Jew in the spiritual sense. The laws to be written on the heart are the same laws this verse is taken after in Jeremiah represents and that is the ten commandments.

Again if you would want to establish this spiritual israel thing, post some scripture and we will discuss it.

Also, notice Jesus didn't say not to worry about these laws He mentioned. He never said the rich young ruler was making a mistake by keeping the laws. As a matter of fact the verse clearly reads that keeping the laws is part of entering into life. Jesus never to my knowledge mentioned a new covenant either. If the commandments were to be done away with He certainly had ample opportunity while He was here to say exactly that. Guess what, He never said that,,,,,,,period.

Again, Christ's ministry was before the new covenant. Of course Jews had to keep all the laws in the Torah.
Remember at the transfiguration when Moses and Elijah, representing the law and the prophets, dissapeared? Jesus said to not tell anyone until after His death.

Jesus for sure left us some clues, and later spoke to us through the apostles.

Jesus did not name any of the ten as the greatest commandment.

28One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"
29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'31The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

John 13[
QUOTE] 34"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."

John 15
9

"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command.

Is there anywhere in the Bible after Christ's resurrection where we are told specifically we as Christians are obligated to keep the Mosaic law?
We can and have posted many texts that plainly seem to say we are not subject to it, but serve in the new way of the Spirit.
God bless! Ricker

 

[Cribstyl]

Holy smoke screen batman, The majority nations on earth were not God's people and did not have those commandment as a covenant or a law.
The bible follows God's chosing a people for His name to fulfilled His judgment on Satan in Gen3:15. and his promise to Abraham Gen22


The truth to promote is what Jesus summed up from the LAW and the prophets,.(THE O.T.).."Love God and Love your neighbor."
Jim, the gospel is what Saul condemned Stephen about and what Jesus called Him (Paul)to preach to Gentiles all over Rome and beyond. Can you prove from scripture that He taught the law without your usual notext arguments?



You're a funny Jim) It is written that Christ would come "under the Law" so by you showing text of Him as the perfect Jew, teaching the purpose of the law does'nt mean that He has called Gentiles Christains to be "under the law."

Christ's conversation with the Samaritan woman revealed how God would be worshipped in spirit and in truth, not to any specific people, not at any place, or time, but in rather in the heart.

The gospel teaches that Gentiles are not under the law".
It teaches "do not seek to be under the law." Why should I ignor part of the bible call the Gospel given to save me.
I can see your strong effort to ignor the truth and preach people under the law?

When the Jerusalem council concluded they went off in two directions with two different Gospels. Paul to the uncircumcision and Peter, James and John to the circumcision.

Gal 2:3But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
Gal 2:4And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Gal 2:5To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
Gal 2:6But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me:
Gal 2:7But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter; Gal 2:8(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles
Gal 2:9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Gal 2:10Only [they would] that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.




Paul is called the Apostle to the Gentiles because His messages to the Gentiles was opposed by those "under the Law" of the circumcision.


Preach the Gospel Jim, I'll bring the crackers.....you're preaching the law with no texts as back up.

Jim, even those who were under the law had to recieve the gospel to be saved.

In peace
CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

John 15
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Is there anywhere in the Bible after Christ's resurrection where we are told specifically we as Christians are obligated to keep the Mosaic law?
We can and have posted many texts that plainly seem to say we are not subject to it, but serve in the new way of the Spirit.
God bless! Ricker

I'm in agreement

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[Cribstyl]

7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh.

Those who come to you not preaching that Jesus Christ was born and died are trying to decieve you.....

Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
That person will undermind and render useless what Christ has done.....

8Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we [fn1] have worked for, but may win a full reward.
Be careful to apply what we preach or you might lose out.....

9Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

If they dont have you talking about Jesus all the time, it's not the Gospel, The gopel is all about why The Father sent his Son.....

10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,
if they dont talk about Jesus, dont even let them in your house....

11for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
If you let them in your house to preach to you, you've gone too far.


In peace
CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

Final Greetings
12Though I have much to write to you, I would rather not use paper and ink. Instead I hope to come to you and talk face to face, so that our joy may be complete.

13The children of your elect sister greet you.


I believe the elect sister are the Jewish Christains Church of whom John was an elder. This last verse helps to shep light on whom John addresses as the elect lady and her children.... so we can summerize 2John by saying

John warns a converted lady against false teachers.


CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

Greeting
1The elder to the elect lady and her children, whom I love in truth, and not only I, but also all who know the truth,
2because of the truth that abides in us and will be with us forever:
3Grace, mercy, and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ the Father's Son, in truth and love.
Walking in Truth and Love
4I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father.
5And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another.
6And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.
7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
8Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we [fn1] have worked for, but may win a full reward.
9Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,
11for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

Final Greetings
12Though I have much to write to you, I would rather not use paper and ink. Instead I hope to come to you and talk face to face, so that our joy may be complete.

13The children of your elect sister greet you.


I cannot agree with my friends that John is talking about the ten commandments exclusively. The fact is undisputable that the lesson is about preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ . John tells us to keep Christ commandments, which are to believe in Jesus and to love your neighbors.

Let look at how the apostles taught and explained Christ commandments to love taught.

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[WailingWall]

I am known for criticizing how people use isolated text and keywords to teach that christian are under the law. Someone recently posted from2Jon linked with other texts in his attempt to make the word commandments, no other than the 10 commandments.

The question is, does this mean the 10 commandments?

Cribstyl
You really didnt need to go through all this figurin and opinionating and the such. Its really simple and without debate

LUKE 18 [20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

The translated word for commandments in the above scripture is “entole”. As you can see its the 10 commandments. No doubt about it.

MATTHEW 19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


The translated word for commandments in Matthew 19 is “entole”. Again the 10 commandments.

1 JOHN 5 [2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The translated word for commandments in 1 John 5 is “entole”. Same exact word used in Luke and again in Matthew. Yup, Gods very own ten commandments.

HEBREWS 11 [22] By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave COMMANDMENT concerning his bones.

entellomai,;from Greek 1722 (en) and the base of Greek 5056 (telos); to enjoin :- (give) charge, (give) command (-ments), injoin. Not the 10 commandments, but a simple command.

JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, keep my COMMANDMENTS. [16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

These commandments are translated from the word “entole”. Same “entole” you find in Luke and again in Matthew. Gods 10 commandments.

Pretty simple. Pretty final.

 

[Cribstyl]

Cribstyl
You really didnt need to go through all this figurin and opinionating and the such. Its really simple and without debate

LUKE 18 [20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

The translated word for commandments in the above scripture is “entole”. As you can see its the 10 commandments. No doubt about it.

MATTHEW 19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


The translated word for commandments in Matthew 19 is “entole”. Again the 10 commandments.

1 JOHN 5 [2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The translated word for commandments in 1 John 5 is “entole”. Same exact word used in Luke and again in Matthew. Yup, Gods very own ten commandments.

HEBREWS 11 [22] By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave COMMANDMENT concerning his bones.

entellomai,;from Greek 1722 (en) and the base of Greek 5056 (telos); to enjoin :- (give) charge, (give) command (-ments), injoin. Not the 10 commandments, but a simple command.

JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, keep my COMMANDMENTS. [16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

These commandments are translated from the word “entole”. Same “entole” you find in Luke and again in Matthew. Gods 10 commandments.

Pretty simple. Pretty final.

Text from 2John that you presented is why this thread was created, now you're playing Houdini by not having anything but more card tricks.

Defining Entole does not help your case, the word simply means "commandments" not ten commandments. I wont even try to prove that for you. Truth does'nt seem to matter to you.

The fact that Jesus had not died on the cross. All Jews included Jesus was under the law...(bet you wont process that as an answer)
Jesus taught the propper use and intent of the law to the COI.

After Christ died on the cross, You need to show some text where the law was taught to gentiles?

No additional comment is need with the texts I can post that teach that "we're not under the law"

Let's see how simple you find text without you usual reasoning tatics.

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[Sophia7]

Cribstyl
You really didnt need to go through all this figurin and opinionating and the such. Its really simple and without debate

LUKE 18 [20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

The translated word for commandments in the above scripture is “entole”. As you can see its the 10 commandments. No doubt about it.

MATTHEW 19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


The translated word for commandments in Matthew 19 is “entole”. Again the 10 commandments.

1 JOHN 5 [2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The translated word for commandments in 1 John 5 is “entole”. Same exact word used in Luke and again in Matthew. Yup, Gods very own ten commandments.

HEBREWS 11 [22] By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave COMMANDMENT concerning his bones.

entellomai,;from Greek 1722 (en) and the base of Greek 5056 (telos); to enjoin :- (give) charge, (give) command (-ments), injoin. Not the 10 commandments, but a simple command.

JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, keep my COMMANDMENTS. [16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

These commandments are translated from the word “entole”. Same “entole” you find in Luke and again in Matthew. Gods 10 commandments.

Pretty simple. Pretty final.

Here are a few other texts that use the term εντολη:

John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. 17 This is my command: Love each other.
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1JN 3:21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
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1JN 4:19 We love because he first loved us. 20 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.
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2JN 1:4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
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None of these refer to the Ten Commandments.

 

[WailingWall]

MATT.22 [35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?[37] Jesus said unto him, THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.[38] This is the first and great commandment

John 14 [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.

You would have me to believe that in John 14 the commandments mentioned are the 2 great commandments of Matt.22. I know its the 10 commandments. Lets see how yours would read if we substituded your beliefs.

John 14 [15] If ye love me, love me

Hmmm....doesnt make much sense does it

Its time for a song and dance

 

[WailingWall]

Here are a few other texts that use the term εντολη:

John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. 17 This is my command: Love each other.​

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1JN 3:21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.​

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1JN 4:19 We love because he first loved us. 20 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.​

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2JN 1:4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.​

None of these refer to the Ten Commandments.

Yeah
They all do. Cant believe their making bibles that changed the word commandments to commands. But then again...Anyways each of those verses speak of love

I posted this recently, but i suppose ill post it again. All the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures below tell us how we are to love one another (our neighbor). And there all quite clear! Keep the 10 commandments and you will be walking in the “love” mentioned in the new testament.

JOHN 15 [8] Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.[9] As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.[10] If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I HAVE KEPT MY FATHER'S COMMANDMENTS, AND ABIDE IN HIS LOVE.

1JOHN 5 [2] By this WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: and his commandments are not grievous.

2JOHN1 [5] And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER.[6] And THIS IS LOVE, THAT WE WALK AFTER HIS COMMANDMENTS. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Kinda hard to do a song and dance around those scriptures

JAMES 2 [8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF, ye do well: [9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

ROMANS 13 [8] Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, Thou shalt not bear false witness, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

I decided to show the scripture of James 2 and Romans 13 which explain to us how we are to show our love for one another because there will be some out there that will try and tell you the “commandments” mentioned are not the 10 commandments. But as you can see in these scriptures, adultry killing, stealing, bearing false witness, covetness are mentioned. There will also be some out there that will tell you since the “keeping of the sabbath” is not mentioned or “thou shalt have no other gods before me”is not mentioned these commandments can be ignored.

Once again we will substitute your beliefs into the scriptures to see if they make any sence at all

1JOHN 5 [2] By this WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, when we love God, and (we love God). [3] For THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD, (we love God): and his commandments are not grievous.

Make any sense to anyone?

 

[Cribstyl]

MATT.22 [35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?[37] Jesus said unto him, THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.[38] This is the first and great commandment

John 14 [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.

You would have me to believe that in John 14 the commandments mentioned are the 2 great commandments of Matt.22. I know its the 10 commandments. Lets see how yours would read if we substituded your beliefs.

John 14 [15] If ye love me, love me

Hmmm....doesnt make much sense does it

Its time for a song and dance

Xman called me up on the table for taunting, so I need to find a serious character to play me.
Forgive me if I've said anything demeaning to you.
I'll be back later I need to call Denzel to play me.

CRIB

 

[Sophia7]

MATT.22 [35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?[37] Jesus said unto him, THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.[38] This is the first and great commandment

John 14 [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.

You would have me to believe that in John 14 the commandments mentioned are the 2 great commandments of Matt.22. I know its the 10 commandments. Lets see how yours would read if we substituded your beliefs.

John 14 [15] If ye love me, love me

Hmmm....doesnt make much sense does it

Its time for a song and dance

Yeah
They all do. Cant believe their making bibles that changed the word commandments to commands. But then again...Anyways each of those verses speak of love

I posted this recently, but i suppose ill post it again. All the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures below tell us how we are to love one another (our neighbor). And there all quite clear! Keep the 10 commandments and you will be walking in the “love” mentioned in the new testament.

JOHN 15 [8] Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.[9] As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.[10] If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I HAVE KEPT MY FATHER'S COMMANDMENTS, AND ABIDE IN HIS LOVE.

1JOHN 5 [2] By this WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: and his commandments are not grievous.

2JOHN1 [5] And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER.[6] And THIS IS LOVE, THAT WE WALK AFTER HIS COMMANDMENTS. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Kinda hard to do a song and dance around those scriptures

JAMES 2 [8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF, ye do well: [9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

ROMANS 13 [8] Owe no man any thing, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, Thou shalt not bear false witness, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

I decided to show the scripture of James 2 and Romans 13 which explain to us how we are to show our love for one another because there will be some out there that will try and tell you the “commandments” mentioned are not the 10 commandments. But as you can see in these scriptures, adultry killing, stealing, bearing false witness, covetness are mentioned. There will also be some out there that will tell you since the “keeping of the sabbath” is not mentioned or “thou shalt have no other gods before me”is not mentioned these commandments can be ignored.

Once again we will substitute your beliefs into the scriptures to see if they make any sence at all

1JOHN 5 [2] By this WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, when we love God, and (we love God). [3] For THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD, (we love God): and his commandments are not grievous.

Make any sense to anyone?

Commands and commandments are the same thing. However it's translated into English, those verses all use the Greek term εντολη. Reread them in context. You're completely missing the point. Here are a few key portions again (quoted from the KJV this time; maybe that will be more to your liking):

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
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1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
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1 John 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
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2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.​

John was clearly not using the word εντολη in reference to the Ten Commandments. You would have to pull these verses completely out of context to argue that he was.

 

[WailingWall]

Xman called me up on the table for taunting, so I need to find a serious character to play me.
Forgive me if I've said anything demeaning to you.
I'll be back later I need to call Denzel to play me.

CRIB

Who in the world is xman and why would you be worried. You NEVER said anything demeaning.

 

[WailingWall]

Crybstyl is a breath of fresh air. He speaks his mind. If you cant handle him, hit your ignore button or stick your heads in the sand. Make sure your tie is on straight and your gut does not hang over your belt.

 

[Cribstyl]

Crybstyl is a breath of fresh air. She speaks her mind. If you limp wrists cant handle her, hit your ignore button or stick your heads in the sand. Make sure your tie is on straight and your gut does not hang over your belt.

Ahem, Ahem.....I dont wear a dresses and skirts:o I am 100% beef, no make up, no lipstick, no added parts

But truthfully...we must validate when someone is offended by our remarks. If there is another way for peace, we should take it.
CRIB

 

[ricker]

Cribstyl
You really didnt need to go through all this figurin and opinionating and the such. Its really simple and without debate

LUKE 18 [20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

The translated word for commandments in the above scripture is “entole”. As you can see its the 10 commandments. No doubt about it.

MATTHEW 19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


The translated word for commandments in Matthew 19 is “entole”. Again the 10 commandments.

1 JOHN 5 [2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The translated word for commandments in 1 John 5 is “entole”. Same exact word used in Luke and again in Matthew. Yup, Gods very own ten commandments.

HEBREWS 11 [22] By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave COMMANDMENT concerning his bones.

entellomai,;from Greek 1722 (en) and the base of Greek 5056 (telos); to enjoin :- (give) charge, (give) command (-ments), injoin. Not the 10 commandments, but a simple command.

JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, keep my COMMANDMENTS. [16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

These commandments are translated from the word “entole”. Same “entole” you find in Luke and again in Matthew. Gods 10 commandments.

Pretty simple. Pretty final.

From what I understand the writings of John don't use the word "entole" to mean the law of Moses. Others in the Bible might occasionally, but that won't help us decide what John meant.
God bless! Ricker