Do you think that homosexuality is a choice?

[EnemyPartyII]

Evidence is based on taking God at His word by faith, applying it, and seeing that His promises are true. He is reliable and true.




I haven't called you a name yet. However I now you have called me some foul things and not apologized when you said you would.

You won't ever change your mind until you have been confronted with your lack of faith and you suddenly need it.

you've called me demonically posessed, a liar, evil, disgusting... but I digress.

Does this mean you aren't going to provide any empirical evidence? You're going to stick with the "Only people who are saved can understand, and only people who understand can be saved" line?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You are complicating the simplicity that God has given us.

It's not my job to convince you of anything. You've seen, and you do not believe. I've seen and I believe. All I do is pray for you to find your way.

I'm not complicating anything, I'm trying to achieve the CORRECT understanding, and am aware of the possibility that MAYBE the most simplest interpretation of the Bible is not the correct one, and that MAYBE its translation from the original languages to English by way of first Greek, then Latin, by translators with their own particular ideological interests, may have skewed things away from the original meanings. and require deeper meditation.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Evidence is based on taking God at His word by faith, applying it, and seeing that His promises are true. He is reliable and true.

evidence does not mean taking someone at their word... and I'm still waiting for a clear reason to consider the Bible as the ACTUAL word of God. as always, I'm open to reason and logic.

 

[Floatingaxe]

you've called me demonically posessed, a liar, evil, disgusting... but I digress.

False!

Meanwhile, while I am not expecting you to ever apologize for calling me such terrible names and making personal remarks about my husband, I forgive you anyway.

Does this mean you aren't going to provide any empirical evidence? You're going to stick with the "Only people who are saved can understand, and only people who understand can be saved" line?

You choose what you want to hear. You keep reading, and you'll clue in one of these days.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

False!

Meanwhile, while I am not expecting you to ever apologize for calling me such terrible names and making personal remarks about my husband, I forgive you anyway.



You choose what you want to hear. You keep reading, and you'll clue in one of these days.

Not false. You have called me all of the above and many more. But thats really not something I wish to get into (although I DO wish you weren't so self contradictory)

You choose what you want to hear. You keep reading, and you'll clue in one of these days.

Fine, good.

ASIDE from "The Bible is the word of God because the Bible says it is the word of God"... got any reason to think the Bible is the word of God?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

As I've said, I'm bisexual, not homosexual.

And since I didn't choose or ask to be bisexual, nor did I do anything to become bisexual, there's nothing that I'm aware of to repent of.

Thats what I meant by that statement. You could replace the word "bisexual" with anything under the sun and use it as a form of self justification.

I don't think I've ever stated that it's "in my blood" to do anything.

David.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Thats what I meant by that statement. You could replace the word "bisexual" with anything under the sun and use it as a form of self justification.

As long as your "anything" occurs within the confines of all parties having given their adult informed consent, then absolutely.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

I'm not complicating anything, I'm trying to achieve the CORRECT understanding, and am aware of the possibility that MAYBE the most simplest interpretation of the Bible is not the correct one, and that MAYBE its translation from the original languages to English by way of first Greek, then Latin, by translators with their own particular ideological interests, may have skewed things away from the original meanings. and require deeper meditation.

If you find your truth in MAYBE's then so be it, I do not. Bible translation has gone through amazingly painstaking effort on the part of those doing it, unlike any other text in all of history. If you want to take that from them then that is your prerogative. I just don't understand why you'd even bother reading, let alone following, a book that you well believe could be skewed and filled with the translators ideological interests.

 

[David Brider]

Thats what I meant by that statement. You could replace the word "bisexual" with anything under the sun and use it as a form of self justification.

Justifying what, though?

David.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

As long as your "anything" occurs within the confines of all parties having given their adult informed consent, then absolutely.

So if I have always had a compulsion to steal, my entire life, that makes it justified since I've always felt the need to, and I'm giving my own consent. If I'm stealing from someone I don't know then how could I get their consent anyway?

You are filtering God's rules through a secular humanistic sieve.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Justifying what, though?

David.

anything that can be deemed as sinful. Of course, by using that argument, you don't think you are sinning at all.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

If you find your truth in MAYBE's then so be it, I do not. Bible translation has gone through amazingly painstaking effort on the part of those doing it, unlike any other text in all of history. If you want to take that from them then that is your prerogative. I just don't understand why you'd even bother reading, let alone following, a book that you well believe could be skewed and filled with the translators ideological interests.

what do you mean "unlike any other text in history"?

Says who?

who are these painstaking Bible scholars to whom you refer, who are so much more accomplished than the translators of the Iliad, or Beowulf, or the Rubyat?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

So if I have always had a compulsion to steal, my entire life, that makes it justified since I've always felt the need to, and I'm giving my own consent. If I'm stealing from someone I don't know then how could I get their consent anyway?

You are filtering God's rules through a secular humanistic sieve.

if you steal from someone without their consent, thats wrong.

If you have homosexual sex with someone without their consent, thats wrong.

If you have homosexual sex with someone with their adult, informed consent, then its OK.

See how that works? Your stealing analogy attempt to twist what I'm saying is really weak.

I'll say it again... ANY act, that occurs with the informed, adult consent of all parties, is NOT sinful. I sincerely believe this, and I sincerely believe that this is totally inline with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

 

[David Brider]

anything that can be deemed as sinful. Of course, by using that argument, you don't think you are sinning at all.

Okay. I'm bisexual. I didn't choose to be bisexual. I didn't ask to be bisexual. I didn't do anything to be bisexual.

What exactly is it about my being bisexual that you see as a sin?

David.

 

[Floatingaxe]

what do you mean "unlike any other text in history"?

Says who?

who are these painstaking Bible scholars to whom you refer, who are so much more accomplished than the translators of the Iliad, or Beowulf, or the Rubyat?

Have you ever read anything scholarly about the translation and the compilation of the books of the bible? Have you ever read the bible?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

If you find your truth in MAYBE's then so be it, I do not. Bible translation has gone through amazingly painstaking effort on the part of those doing it, unlike any other text in all of history. If you want to take that from them then that is your prerogative. I just don't understand why you'd even bother reading, let alone following, a book that you well believe could be skewed and filled with the translators ideological interests.

Thats why God gave us inteligence, so we can use logic and judgement to interpret the Bible for ourselves. Biblical literalism is abhorent to me, mostly because you end up so embroiled in tiny minutiae of the Bible that you miss its fundamental message of love and peace.

 

[Ohioprof]

So, it's a myth? Then why even use the Genesis account to prove any point? Laughable! Your opinion has no weight.

I don't use the Genesis account to support my points.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Have you ever read anything scholarly about the translation and the compilation of the books of the bible? Have you ever read the bible?

yes, and yes.

My understanding from scholars, is that the English translations of the Bible, noteably the KJV, are poor bastardised copies of the Vulgate of St. Jerome, which was not a particularly good interpretation into Latin of the original texts in the first place.

 

[Ohioprof]

Thats why God gave us inteligence, so we can use logic and judgement to interpret the Bible for ourselves. Biblical literalism is abhorent to me, mostly because you end up so embroiled in tiny minutiae of the Bible that you miss its fundamental message of love and peace.

This is a very important point. You are right indeed.