Gay Men Get New Flesh-Eating Disease

[ladyt28]

I agree Lisa. Let's let this ridiculous thread die.

 

[Lisa0315]

I agree Lisa. Let's let this ridiculous thread die.

Good idea.

Lisa

 

[MercyBurst]

Good idea. I've revised the OP:

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=42741114&postcount=1

Additonal information on Gay health issues may be found at this blog:

http://scripturerefinersfire.blogspot.com/2007/09/gay-rights-plagued-by-health-issues.html

For the record, I am pretty disgusted when people legitimize diseases. I've heard the other side of the argument about the stigma association and their feelings which are understandable.

I'm sorry, but the rights of a healthy society trump those of a special interest group. The noise and clamor only serves to muddy up the picture, and the message is muted as a result. This does not serve the general public, and the appropriate actions are not taken by the people that can control the disease.

As a result of reading the report, I am concerned about this super-strain of bacteria that rots the flesh. I am concerned about how this will impact the future of the health-care industry and an aging population which I am a part of. It isn't good news and I never wished it on anyone.

And yes, I do blame gays for it. The report used a reasonable statistical analysis with reasonable assumptions to identify the risk factors. It looked at the general population and it looked at the MSM population, and the results are undeniable. MSM are the prime carriers -- could you all (MSM) please do something about your unsafe sexual practices? The rest of us could possibly respect you if you did. Your argument about "what you do in the privacy of your bedroom" does not fly with the rest of us.

 

[Ohioprof]

Compassion requires that we care for the sick, not blame a group of innocent people for a disease.

 

[MercyBurst]

Compassion requires that we care for the sick, not blame a group of innocent people for a disease.

Neither do compassionate people weasel around the life-saving message written for the people that need it the most.

 

[Tenebrae]

I have heard this, but I don't understand it. Can you explain why people not taking a full course of antibiotics as prescribed renders antibiotics less effective in general? How does an individual's decision not to take a full course of an antibiotic undermine the effectiveness of antibiotics in the wider population?

I suspect many people do not take a full course of antibiotics as they are told to do, because they start to feel better after taking some of the antibiotic, and so they stop. I imagine that possibly most people do this, without telling anyone.

Cant give you a definative answer however my understanding of it, is that when a person takes part of a course of antibiotocs, it may kill most of the bug however it doesnt kill it totally so what ever is left evolves and develops a resistance to that form of antibiotics. Its why a GP will always say to a paitent being given a course of antibiotics "Keep taking it right to the end, even if you feel better"


In the past when I had an infection in a burn, they took a swab and in the lab they grew cultures and then tested the cultures to ascertain whether the particular infection has any resistance to any particular antibiotics

Clearer? or as clear as mud

 

[Ohioprof]

Neither do compassionate people weasel around the life-saving message written for the people that need it the most.

If you get sick, I hope no one says anything like that to you. I promise to be compassionate toward you if that happens, not judgmental.

 

[Ohioprof]

Cant give you a definative answer however my understanding of it, is that when a person takes part of a course of antibiotocs, it may kill most of the bug however it doesnt kill it totally so what ever is left evolves and develops a resistance to that form of antibiotics. Its why a GP will always say to a paitent being given a course of antibiotics "Keep taking it right to the end, even if you feel better"


In the past when I had an infection in a burn, they took a swab and in the lab they grew cultures and then tested the cultures to ascertain whether the particular infection has any resistance to any particular antibiotics

Clearer? or as clear as mud

Your explanation, which elaborates on a post by another poster, makes sense. Thank you. It was clear.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Cant give you a definative answer however my understanding of it, is that when a person takes part of a course of antibiotocs, it may kill most of the bug however it doesnt kill it totally so what ever is left evolves and develops a resistance to that form of antibiotics. Its why a GP will always say to a paitent being given a course of antibiotics "Keep taking it right to the end, even if you feel better"


In the past when I had an infection in a burn, they took a swab and in the lab they grew cultures and then tested the cultures to ascertain whether the particular infection has any resistance to any particular antibiotics

Clearer? or as clear as mud

Not only does saving some of the antibotics for something later, i.e. not taking till gone cause a problem, but taking antibotics for viral infection have cause this problem also.

Everyone thinks that if they have a cold, flu, etc. they need antibotics but that isn't true most of the time anymore.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Why do you so consistently ignore all of the other sources of information refuting the claim that it is "sexually transmitted"??? The attitudes that kill people like young Mr White are those that ignore ALL of the facts as they try to focus on one slim aspect of a situation. Just what are you going to do when someone in your own family contracts this because people like yourself feel oh-so-safe being a heterosexual?

Excuse me, I read the articles that said this flesh eating bacteria is most easily spread through anal inter-course and points out that this is very rapidly spreading through communites with high percentages of homosexuals like the Castro district in SF.

Yes, this is also spread by casual contact, meaning that it is even easier for gays to spread it to the entire community than AIDS was.

 

[Lisa0315]

Excuse me, I read the articles that said this flesh eating bacteria is most easily spread through anal inter-course and points out that this is very rapidly spreading through communites with high percentages of homosexuals like the Castro district in SF.

Yes, this is also spread by casual contact, meaning that it is even easier for gays to spread it to the entire community than AIDS was.

BAFRIEND,
I have posted with you before and I know you to be a reasonable person. Because of that, I want to take a moment and point out a couple of things again.

1) This is not a new strain of MRSA as the OP suggests with the title of this thread. It is Community Acquired MRSA.
2) The study that the OP supplied is only a part of a larger study which showed that there were many other groups who were also at risk. Indians, Military, Children, Athletes, and Prison Inmates to name a few. I did cite the source in an earlier post.
3) Just because gays are at risk does not make it a gay disease no more than it makes it an Indian disease or a Military disease or a childhood disease. It has to do with certain groups whose immune systems may be lower or have been given antibiotics too heavily.

Please rethink your positon. The one you are taking is not becoming of you. It makes you look a little fanatical and ignorant and I know you are not either of those things.

Lisa

 

[imind]

and what about the 95,000 people who died from it in 2005? who will you blame for their deaths?

you ignore all evidence contrary to what you want to believe.



how does one argue against a bigot?

 

[Ohioprof]

The researchers who released the study on MSRA have now apologized for not being clear about their findings, which have been twisted and spun by anti-gay groups to target gay people. Here is a link to the story in the NYTImes with some excerpts:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/us/20castro.html

"After Linking New Strain of Staph to Gay Men, University Scrambles to Clarify"
"researchers as the university [University of California at San Francisco] scrambled to clarify their findings. On Friday, it issued an apology, saying their release had 'contained some information that could be interpreted as misleading.'
"'We deplore negative targeting of specific populations in association with MRSA infections or other public health concerns,' it concluded. Dr. Henry Chambers, one of the report’s authors and a professor of medicine at the university, said he was surprised by how the report had been spun....
"Indeed, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, which helped finance the study, affirmed on Wednesday that the disease was not sexually transmitted or limited to a certain type of person. It is transmitted through skin-to-skin contact, the agency said in a statement, and is widespread in hospitals and among hospital workers.
"'These infections occur in men, women, adults, children and persons of all races and sexual orientations,' the statement read, adding that while the particular strain identified in the report had been found in gay men, it had also been found in people who were not gay."

 

[Lisa0315]

The researchers who released the study on MSRA have now apologized for not being clear about their findings, which have been twisted and spun by anti-gay groups to target gay people. Here is a link to the story in the NYTImes with some excerpts:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/us/20castro.html

"After Linking New Strain of Staph to Gay Men, University Scrambles to Clarify"
"researchers as the university [University of California at San Francisco] scrambled to clarify their findings. On Friday, it issued an apology, saying their release had 'contained some information that could be interpreted as misleading.'
"'We deplore negative targeting of specific populations in association with MRSA infections or other public health concerns,' it concluded. Dr. Henry Chambers, one of the report’s authors and a professor of medicine at the university, said he was surprised by how the report had been spun....
"Indeed, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, which helped finance the study, affirmed on Wednesday that the disease was not sexually transmitted or limited to a certain type of person. It is transmitted through skin-to-skin contact, the agency said in a statement, and is widespread in hospitals and among hospital workers.
"'These infections occur in men, women, adults, children and persons of all races and sexual orientations,' the statement read, adding that while the particular strain identified in the report had been found in gay men, it had also been found in people who were not gay."

Thank You for finding that. Perhaps this will be the voice of reason that will convince those who believe this is a gay disease.

Lisa

 

[BigBadWlf]

The researchers who released the study on MSRA have now apologized for not being clear about their findings, which have been twisted and spun by anti-gay groups to target gay people. Here is a link to the story in the NYTImes with some excerpts:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/us/20castro.html

"After Linking New Strain of Staph to Gay Men, University Scrambles to Clarify"
"researchers as the university [University of California at San Francisco] scrambled to clarify their findings. On Friday, it issued an apology, saying their release had 'contained some information that could be interpreted as misleading.'
"'We deplore negative targeting of specific populations in association with MRSA infections or other public health concerns,' it concluded. Dr. Henry Chambers, one of the report’s authors and a professor of medicine at the university, said he was surprised by how the report had been spun....
"Indeed, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, which helped finance the study, affirmed on Wednesday that the disease was not sexually transmitted or limited to a certain type of person. It is transmitted through skin-to-skin contact, the agency said in a statement, and is widespread in hospitals and among hospital workers.
"'These infections occur in men, women, adults, children and persons of all races and sexual orientations,' the statement read, adding that while the particular strain identified in the report had been found in gay men, it had also been found in people who were not gay."

That you for putting this up Ohioprof

I would wager that the individuals trying to misuse this to justify their own hated and bigotry will either ignore this or refuse to visit this thread again. However they will continue to misrepresent the original story in other threads when they are trying to say it’s ok to hate

 

[Wednesday]

Ok, since this is being ignored as per always

Would someone please think of the lesbians!!!


It just everytime people go into frenzy about *gay disease* they seems to keep focusing on the male gay community.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Neither do compassionate people weasel around the life-saving message written for the people that need it the most.

Unfortunately, you have written nothing about a life-saving message. You have done nothing but falsley blame one group of people for a myriad of ills.

Scapegoating is a far worse disease than anything you have named, for your words make fellow human beings targets.

Hardly behavior becoming of one who professes to follow the Christ.

 

[Lisa0315]

Unfortunately, you have written nothing about a life-saving message. You have done nothing but falsley blame one group of people for a myriad of ills.

Scapegoating is a far worse disease than anything you have named, for your words make fellow human beings targets.

Hardly behavior becoming of one who professes to follow the Christ.

Not to mention, just plain wrong in the facts.

Lisa

 

[MercyBurst]

Thank You for finding that. Perhaps this will be the voice of reason that will convince those who believe this is a gay disease.

Lisa

and the statement is worse news for the rest of us, not better news. The fact is the rest of us can get this from MSM through casual contact. MSM are the primary carriers, and other people in contact with MSM can bring it to everyone else.

The purpose of this study was to identify the risk factors assoiated with this "additionally resistant" strain of MRSA which you keep trivializing. I quote verbatim from the report:

Objectives: To determine the incidence of a multidrug-resistant MRSA clone (USA300) in San Francisco, and to determine risk factors for the infection.

As anyone can see clearly, the purpose of the study was to determine the incidence and the risk factors for infection in the genral population around San Francisco. We would appreciate it, Lady, if you would stop spinning this fact, as though the study was steered exclusively against gays.

Conclusions: Infection with multidrug-resistant USA300 MRSA is common among men who have sex with men, and multidrug-resistant MRSA infection might be sexually transmitted in this population. Further research is needed to determine whether existing efforts to control epidemics of other sexually transmitted infections can control spread of community-associated multidrug-resistant MRSA.

Again, Lady, we would appreciate if you would cease and desist fromyour blatant denial of the truth that came out of this study. The disease is most prevalent among MSM.


The report was made more "PC" compatible, but the findings have not been alterred in any way. Gay men are 13.2 times more likely to get MRSA USA-300 "with addititional drug restisances" than the general population they were compared to in the study through a statisical analysis using a Chi-squared design of experiments and reasonable assumptions.

The disease has not correlated in any way to HIV -- this fact alone checks for bias and confounding.

Yes there are other ways to get the disease, and there were other risk factors identified as well, but MSM is the primary risk factor as the study shows.

Please stop muting the work of our health care professionals so more lives can be spared. Thank you.

For the record, I am pretty disgusted when people legitimize and trivialize diseases.

 

[Ohioprof]

and the statement is worse news for the rest of us, not better news. The fact is the rest of us can get this from MSM through casual contact. MSM are the primary carriers, and other people in contact with MSM can bring it to everyone else.

The purpose of this study was to identify the risk factors assoiated with this "additionally resistant" strain of MRSA which you keep trivializing. I quote verbatim from the report:




As anyone can see clearly, the purpose of the study was to determine the incidence and the risk factors for infection in the genral population around San Francisco. We would appreciate it, Lady, if you would stop spinning this fact, as though the study was steered exclusively against gays.




Again, Lady, we would appreciate if you would cease and desist fromyour blatant denial of the truth that came out of this study. The disease is most prevalent among MSM.


The report was made more "PC" compatible, but the findings have not been alterred in any way. Gay men are 13.2 times more likely to get MRSA USA-300 "with addititional drug restisances" than the general population they were compared to in the study through a statisical analysis using a Chi-squared design of experiments and reasonable assumptions.

The disease has not correlated in any way to HIV -- this fact alone checks for bias and confounding.

Yes there are other ways to get the disease, and there were other risk factors identified as well, but MSM is the primary risk factor as the study shows.

Please stop muting the work of our health care professionals so more lives can be spared. Thank you.

For the record, I am pretty disgusted when people legitimize and trivialize diseases.

The researchers who did the study decried those who sought to spin their results in order to promote an anti-gay agenda. And they apologized for not being clear about what their results mean.

You distort the results of the study, Mercy, and you distort what the researchers said subsequently to try to clarify the results and to dispel the anti-gay spin that some extremist Christian groups have put on the results.

Read what the CDC said about this disease. And please stop blaming gay people for a disease.

For anyone to use a disease to bolster their personal dislike of a particular group of people is, I think, immoral. The groups like Concerned Women for America, which have spun this disease to serve their anti-gay agenda are behaving in an immoral fashion, in my view.