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Where do the dinosours fit in?
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They are from the early days.
Some say they are talked of in the bookof Job? Not sure how they fit in to the creation picture, never studied it. I am interested in hearing how some weigh in on this...
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They are from the early days.
Some say they are talked of in the bookof Job? Not sure how they fit in to the creation picture, never studied it. I am interested in hearing how some weigh in on this...
Hehe, ask GratiaCorpusChristi what he thinks about the dinosaurs in Job.
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They fit in right where the evidence says they fit in: billions of years ago. All part of God's creative process, which included evolutionary development and eventually included humans. You might check out the "Spectrum of Beliefs" thread in the stickies, it really gives a good overview of various beliefs held by devout, Bible-believing Christians.
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Actually, dinosaurs first appeared about 230 million years ago, and died out 65 million years ago (leaving us with birds, of course). Dinosaurs definitely aren't billions of years old.
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The evidence says that dinosaurs died out 65,000,000 years ago. This was over 60,000,000 years before the earliest humans evolved so we never coexisted.
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Whatever they are, they're demonstrably not dinosaurs.No - the Behemoth in Job is a picture of Death, and Leviathan a picture of Satan. Of course, that's just if you ask me.
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From what I understand the Bible teaches the earth is a few thousand years old yet the dinosaur fossils are millions of years old. So where does that leave the dinos? Is there any mention of their fossils in the bible?
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That happens to be a very specific and hyper-literal reading of the text, which is not held by the majority of Christians worldwide (although it is held by a growing number of fundamentalist Christians here in the US).
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When they date the bones they are dating the rocks the bones were found in and not actually dating the bones. The beginning of Genesis says that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form and void. The basic elements of the earth have been around from the beginning of time. These elements form the rocks that the dinosaur bones are found in.
The descriptions in Job appear to be dinosaurs to me.
That's my perspective
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They're not. With regards to Leviathan, dinosaurs were not aquatic, nor is there any evidence that they could breathe fire (incidentally, a fire-breathing aquatic animal wouldn't get along very well). Other Scriptures eleborate on the Leviathan, and refer to its multiple heads, indicating that the creature is nothing more than mythological.
As for Behemoth, no sauropod dinosaur (as most YECs assume it to be) was capable of eating grass or living in swamps.
Honestly, just read what the rest of the Bible has to say about these creatures, and you'll see how fanciful they really are.
Here's some reading to start with:
http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~jl/Bible/leviathan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan
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I don't think one could prove one way or another. As for aquatic dinosaurs many consider or call marine reptiles dinosaurs. Fire and water could go together just as well as the electric eel copes.
I think scientists make many guesses based on the bones and can treat them as facts. If a sauropod was capable of eating vegetation based on scientist's estimation from the teeth what would prevent them from eating grass? We don't have stomach contents that would give us factual information.
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I guess not. Even though no dinosaur we've ever found matches the description given in the Scriptures (even those fanciful descriptions in the Psalms and Revelation), I guess you could go on believing that we simply haven't found an eight-headed fire-breathing dinosaur yet. But that belief certainly wouldn't be based on anything but wishful thinking.
Ever tried lighting a fire underwater?
Their teeth. Grass is a very tough plant to both chew and digest. Only mammals with very specialized teeth and guts are able to do it today. We know for certain that dinosaurs lacked the features required to process grass food. In fact, dinosaur fossils and grass fossils (at least, the grass the Bible refers to) do not overlap in the fossil record.
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Nope. Marine reptiles can breath air and I see no conflict with fire because the fire could be above the water. Do I know for a fact? No, but I can allow for the possibility.
How do you know for a fact if all you have are teeth? How do we know what grass the Bible refers to? Can we scientifically say for a fact what they could or could not eat based on what mammals eat today? I can understand a theory or guess based on what mammals eat today, but not a statement of fact. Fossil records are suspect in my opinion as I have seen scientists use circular reasoning to date things. I've been quite surprised about the scientific guesses treated as facts and those guesses are used to state facts about other things.
JMHO
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Fair enough. But how do you square the description of the Leviathan in Job with the more fanciful descriptions of the Leviathan elsewhere in the Bible?
Because the teeth of sauropods are simple, peg- or leaf-shaped, and do not occlude (come together). If you're going to eat grass "like an ox" (as Job describes), then you need your teeth to come together to form a grinding surface before you can digest the grass. Again, all this to say nothing of the fact that sauropods were not aquatic. A literal reading of those passages mentioning the Leviathan and the Behemoth rule against the possibility of any known prehistoric animal.
Can you please provide a specific example of this?
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