Evolutionary Science is a fairytale

[Losangeleschristian]

However the effects of becoming pregnant, or not taking care of your teeth, are well documented, based on empirical evidence and observation.

The effects of disagreeing with you about how God did what are not documented and no evidence or observation is available

I guess I got to agree with you there. Evil people do seem to prosper and even look happy.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I guess I got to agree with you there. Evil people do seem to prosper and even look happy.

Huh?

Which evil people are we talking about here?

 

[necroforest]

Huh?

Which evil people are we talking about here?

I'm guessing he means we're evil but we "seem" to be OK (for now!!!1one); hence no "evidence" that we'll all burn in hell in a few scant years.

 

[DeathMagus]

I'm guessing he means we're evil but we "seem" to be OK (for now!!!1one); hence no "evidence" that we'll all burn in hell in a few scant years.

Crud...I hope my insurance doesn't find out about this...

 

[ReverendDG]

So that was added later on and not really in the constitution. it was just a letter written to the association. but it not part of the constitution. it just be saying that no religion is going to get preference over another. I can go along with it because we cant persecute one and favor another.

well yes, it was written by the church to jefferson because of the 1st amendment, they thought they would have problems because of it.
the wall of separation of church and state, is what the founders wanted, they came from a country that had a government endorsed church after all
namely the church of england

But they say nothing about leaving prayer out of school. Anybody who want should be allowed to say a prayer in school.

where did you get the idea that you aren't allowed to pray in school? the school can't enforce praying, or have teachers lead prayer. nor can you pray really loud and disrupt the classes
but you CAN pray, no one is removing your right to do so, but you aren't allowed to push prayer on those who don't share your religious views either
do you know who really complained about prayer in schools? other christians.. catholics didn't like the fact that prayers weren't catholic
the law changes, its as unconstitutional to deny a buddhist the right to practice their religion as much as a southern baptist. it just seems that a lot of people ignore that fact

 

[Morcova]

That man Morcova was putting down my statement about consequences but everything has got consequences.

So christianity doesn't spread thru fear of hellfire anymore?

It not why threaten people?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Now to Wiccan I say no i did not make that up. It come out of http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9655619/

Fantastic, the article exists!
However, it's more than two years old, and the argument from general relativity does not account for the gravitational lensing produced by the dark matter (a phenomenon tested for in 2006).

In fact those articles even say to the laymen it seem like nonsense and not really believable. I say it is interesting but you cant even find any close to home and that the problem I got with it. It out there somewhere but not anywhere near here and if it is we cant even detect it. How convenient for you scientists.

According to the theory, it is here. It is all around us. The problem is that it neither emits nor abosrbs EM radiation (i.e., we can't see it), and the only known way to detect it is to look at galaxies. In case you hadn't noticed, the gravitational lensing of a galaxy is somewhat more detectable than the lense by anything close to home.

You seem to go along with all of this because of a consensus of scientists say so.

I believe in the existance of dark matter because the evidence suggests that dark matter exists. Who am I to reject evidence?

And last of all Fish you say you are for equality but are you fighting for it but I know nobody really is fighting for it. Then you take an attitude against creationism and taking shots putting us up there with fables. But like the article on dark matter was saying your ideas are also far fetched. And the idea of evolution is far fetched too.

Why is evolution far fetched?

Why we even need evolution in the schools to be taught?

Because it is a ground breaking scientific theory

What good is knowing it?

Applications of evolutionary theory.

You cant do nothing with it and everybody know our school system a wreck anyway compared with other country.

Yup. You know why? Because you reject evolution.

Just leave out what you think is the origins of man so everyone can decide for themselves. Nobody need it shoved down their throat.

Wow, you've certainly changed your tune. The point is, the US educational system has a science class. This class teaches biology, as one would expect. The boon from knowing basic biology is obvious (for one thing, you need it to go into anything to do with biology, medicine, etc). To remove evolution from the classroom it so remove the theory that explains the origin of everything in biology. It completely underpins all biological thinking.

 

[Losangeleschristian]

Fantastic, the article exists!
However, it's more than two years old, and the argument from general relativity does not account for the gravitational lensing produced by the dark matter (a phenomenon tested for in 2006).


According to the theory, it is here. It is all around us. The problem is that it neither emits nor abosrbs EM radiation (i.e., we can't see it), and the only known way to detect it is to look at galaxies. In case you hadn't noticed, the gravitational lensing of a galaxy is somewhat more detectable than the lense by anything close to home.


I believe in the existance of dark matter because the evidence suggests that dark matter exists. Who am I to reject evidence?


Why is evolution far fetched?


Because it is a ground breaking scientific theory


Applications of evolutionary theory.


Yup. You know why? Because you reject evolution.


Wow, you've certainly changed your tune. The point is, the US educational system has a science class. This class teaches biology, as one would expect. The boon from knowing basic biology is obvious (for one thing, you need it to go into anything to do with biology, medicine, etc). To remove evolution from the classroom it so remove the theory that explains the origin of everything in biology. It completely underpins all biological thinking.

Yet you cant find it here in our own solar system. You saying it way out there more than a billion lt year away but cant get your hand on it and bring it on home.


Where it be? Near the Moon? Jupiter? Uranus? Neptune? Mars? You cant even say cuz you dont know where it is. You just know it out there, that all you know. Cant see it cant touch it cant in no way detect it yet you telling me the whole universe full of it.

The Bible speak of your kind too - "Professing themselves to wise they became as fools"

now you can go on teaching biology but leave out that part about we evolving. it got holes in it too wide to cover so it dont belong. You been brainwashing people.

nature dont adapt animals to suit their environment. The Lord made them for their environment. You cant even say evolution be groundbreaking theory because it date back to the 1800s. that be like saying the automobile is groundbreaking technology. Not in today world it aint.

You tell me it education in the US a wreck because people like me reject evolution yet that what you be force feeding our poor kids for years. that what you teach and it still inferior. We use to be way up high in the 50's until they brought in your program taking prayer out of schools. Now we way down toward the bottom behind country like Mexico, Bolivia, Romania, Switzerland, you name it. You blaming people like me for the mess you brought about. Wiccan you a deciever but you not good about doing it. I know you been blowing smoke from the start.

ReverendDG tell me where it show in the constitution separation of church and state. That not what it say in the article. that a personal letter from Jefferson. The article made that clear already.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Yet you cant find it here in our own solar system. You saying it way out there more than a billion lt year away but cant get your hand on it and bring it on home.

No.
Consider: a single photon can't be detected by the human eye, because it's impact is far too small. But a great clump of photons can be detected.
Likewise, the gravitational field of relatively small quantities of dark matter can't be detected by modern instruments, because it's just too weak. But the gravitational field of a whole galaxy of dark matter (~nine times as heavy as the visable portion of the galaxy) can be detected: the gravitational lensing caused by the dark matter becomes apparent when you look at distant, heavy objects.

The gravitational lensing of dark matter that is in our solar system is completely occluded by the Sun.

Consider: a wave machine causes waves in water. Right up close to the water's surface, the ripples caused by chaotic motion are indistingushable from the ordered motion of the wave machine. But far away, the little ripples and so on are dwarfed by the more powerful wave machine.
Likewise, at small scales (e.g., our solar system), the overarching effect of dark matter is the same across the system, so the total contribution is zero. It is only when looking at large scales (e.g., a distant galaxy) that the distribution of dark matter becomes apparent.

Where it be? Near the Moon? Jupiter? Uranus? Neptune? Mars?

It's all around us. On a planetary scale, it's density distribution is almost uniform, so there is no net effect. On a galactic scale, however, it's denisty distribution becomes more apparent.

You cant even say cuz you dont know where it is. You just know it out there, that all you know. Cant see it cant touch it cant in no way detect it yet you telling me the whole universe full of it.

You are wrong: we can detect it. I have given you evidence for its existance.

The Bible speak of your kind too - "Professing themselves to wise they became as fools"

Do explain how this relates to me and 'my kind'.

now you can go on teaching biology but leave out that part about we evolving.

Why? The masses of evidence (which I've given you numerous links to before) points unanimously to common descent being a reality.

it got holes in it too wide to cover so it dont belong.

No, it doesn't. I challenge you to give us an example of these 'holes'.

nature dont adapt animals to suit their environment.

Yes, they do. We have observed bacteria evolving to survive in antibody-rich blood. We have observed fruit flies evolving so much they speciate from their distant cousings. We have observed the fossil record and seen how birds have speciated wildly to suit their habitats.

We have seen it happen.

The Lord made them for their environment.

Justify this claim.

You cant even say evolution be groundbreaking theory because it date back to the 1800s.

So? It's still groundbreaking.

that be like saying the automobile is groundbreaking technology. Not in today world it aint.

Of course it is: the invention of the horseless carriage is a groundbearking discovery. Automobiles, telecommunications, and refridgeration, have together completely revolutionised human civilisation. Likewise, Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection completely revolutionised the biological. It is ground-breaking.

You tell me it education in the US a wreck because people like me reject evolution

It's one of the problems, yes. Ever since the war on science began, the USA has steadily dropped in its

yet that what you be force feeding our poor kids for years.

I'm not in the US. I'm not force-feeding them anything. Of course, I'm also not the one forcing them to church, forcing them to pray, instilling the fear of God and hellfire into them. I'm not the one telling them not to question things, not to learn about the world. I'm not the one telling them to distrust science, because it's so obviously false (I mean realy, what has science done for us? )

We use to be way up high in the 50's until they brought in your program taking prayer out of schools.

Correlation does not imply causation. First law of statistics.

Now we way down toward the bottom behind country like Mexico, Bolivia, Romania, Switzerland, you name it. You blaming people like me for the mess you brought about.

Yep.

ReverendDG tell me where it show in the constitution separation of church and state. That not what it say in the article. that a personal letter from Jefferson. The article made that clear already.

It's in the First Amendment to the Constitution, which is part of the Constitution.

 

[PsychMJC]

I like how it has become against school policy to pray while on school grounds.. I've been to quite a few schools around California, of all age groups, and not once have I seen the nifty box mounted at the ceiling that detects prayers and alerts the faculty.

PrayerBlocker 4000
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[Losangeleschristian]

No.
Consider: a single photon can't be detected by the human eye, because it's impact is far too small. But a great clump of photons can be detected.
Likewise, the gravitational field of relatively small quantities of dark matter can't be detected by modern instruments, because it's just too weak. But the gravitational field of a whole galaxy of dark matter (~nine times as heavy as the visable portion of the galaxy) can be detected: the gravitational lensing caused by the dark matter becomes apparent when you look at distant, heavy objects.

The gravitational lensing of dark matter that is in our solar system is completely occluded by the Sun.

Consider: a wave machine causes waves in water. Right up close to the water's surface, the ripples caused by chaotic motion are indistingushable from the ordered motion of the wave machine. But far away, the little ripples and so on are dwarfed by the more powerful wave machine.
Likewise, at small scales (e.g., our solar system), the overarching effect of dark matter is the same across the system, so the total contribution is zero. It is only when looking at large scales (e.g., a distant galaxy) that the distribution of dark matter becomes apparent.


It's all around us. On a planetary scale, it's density distribution is almost uniform, so there is no net effect. On a galactic scale, however, it's denisty distribution becomes more apparent.


You are wrong: we can detect it. I have given you evidence for its existance.


Do explain how this relates to me and 'my kind'.


Why? The masses of evidence (which I've given you numerous links to before) points unanimously to common descent being a reality.


No, it doesn't. I challenge you to give us an example of these 'holes'.


Yes, they do. We have observed bacteria evolving to survive in antibody-rich blood. We have observed fruit flies evolving so much they speciate from their distant cousings. We have observed the fossil record and seen how birds have speciated wildly to suit their habitats.

We have seen it happen.


Justify this claim.


So? It's still groundbreaking.


Of course it is: the invention of the horseless carriage is a groundbearking discovery. Automobiles, telecommunications, and refridgeration, have together completely revolutionised human civilisation. Likewise, Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection completely revolutionised the biological. It is ground-breaking.


It's one of the problems, yes. Ever since the war on science began, the USA has steadily dropped in its


I'm not in the US. I'm not force-feeding them anything. Of course, I'm also not the one forcing them to church, forcing them to pray, instilling the fear of God and hellfire into them. I'm not the one telling them not to question things, not to learn about the world. I'm not the one telling them to distrust science, because it's so obviously false (I mean realy, what has science done for us? )


Correlation does not imply causation. First law of statistics.


Yep.


It's in the First Amendment to the Constitution, which is part of the Constitution.

you say it a mess because we reject evolution. But it be your science that being taught for decades.

That be a lie just like your line "corrlation does not imply causation". And you know in most cases it do. You just trying to take advantage of people ignorance. and full of fables too "we can observe their effects on the galaxies" but you cant observe small quantities of dark matter.

How small you talking about? You dont know that either. You know very little about it except it be out there somewhere between the galaxies. And you just be paraphrasing everything up to now.

Teorectical scientists talk a good game when it come to theory but they never back it up except with double talk. You still got nothing to show for it.

You being a scientist cant even get you hand on the most abundant thing out there.

You talking about you challenge me to find holes in your theory of evolution. I be fine with that. I also challenge you to bring in a sample of dark matter, say a pound of it. You probably bring me back a pound of more double talk. Go on and make a name for yourself so you can step out the shadow. Cant be that hard to do if 90% dark matter. And when you bring in a pound or a ton or enough to detect it I be up for the challenge you talking about.

Got to be easier than finding matter that dont exist

And while your at it put up the article where it show the words "separation of church and state". You go on now and put it up so i can see it.

 

[Losangeleschristian]

Wiccan going to put his money where his mouth is and bring back a pound of nothing to look at.

Wiccan did you know that a single gold atom can't be detected with the human eye but great lumps of it is enough for ANYBODY to see.



Professing themselves to wise they became as fools.

Romans 1:22

 

[necroforest]

you say it a mess because we reject evolution. But it be your science that being taught for decades.

That be a lie just like your line "corrlation does not imply causation". And you know in most cases it do. You just trying to take advantage of people ignorance. and full of fables too "we can observe their effects on the galaxies" but you cant observe small quantities of dark matter.

How small you talking about? You dont know that either. You know very little about it except it be out there somewhere between the galaxies. And you just be paraphrasing everything up to now.

Teorectical scientists talk a good game when it come to theory but they never back it up except with double talk. You still got nothing to show for it.

You being a scientist cant even get you hand on the most abundant thing out there.

You talking about you challenge me to find holes in your theory of evolution. I be fine with that. I also challenge you to bring in a sample of dark matter, say a pound of it. You probably bring me back a pound of more double talk. Go on and make a name for yourself so you can step out the shadow. Cant be that hard to do if 90% dark matter. And when you bring in a pound or a ton or enough to detect it I be up for the challenge you talking about.

Got to be easier than finding matter that dont exist

And while your at it put up the article where it show the words "separation of church and state". You go on now and put it up so i can see it.

I'll bring your pound of dark matter when you bring me a pound of God.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

you say it a mess because we reject evolution.

Among other things, yes.

But it be your science that being taught for decades.

And upon its rejection, the US educational standard fell.

That be a lie just like your line "corrlation does not imply causation".

Seriously? I can't believe I'm going to have to explain this one. OK.

Take a sample of secondary school students, and plot each child on a graph of foot size verses IQ.
You'll find a positive correlation between foot size and IQ. That is, foot size increases with IQ.

Now, if correlation did imply causation (as you implicitly claim), then there is a causal relationship between foot size and IQ. That is, according to you, such a statistical correlation directly proves that either IQ dictates foot size, or foot size dictates IQ.

This may very well be the case. However, upon consideration, it's blatently obvious that there is no such casual relationship.
The explanation for the correlation is that they are both determined by a third parameter: age. Older people tend to have larger feet (since they've grown more), and older people tend to have larger IQs (since their 'smarter').

So, in a nutshell, correlation does not imply causation. There may be a causal relationship between the two, but that is irrelevent. That there is a correlation bewteen two variables is not in any way proof of a causal relationship between said variables.

You just trying to take advantage of people ignorance. and full of fables too "we can observe their effects on the galaxies" but you cant observe small quantities of dark matter.

I can given you countless explanations for this argument against dark matter. Either explicitly address my counter-arguments, or concede defeat.

How small you talking about?

if you had bothered to read my post properly, you'd know: I defined 'small scale' as the scale of our solar system. Galactic scales compared to solar scales. In the latter, dark matter density distributions appear uniform, but this is not so in the former.

Teorectical scientists talk a good game when it come to theory but they never back it up except with double talk. You still got nothing to show for it.

I have given you several articles explaining the evidence for dark matter. Read my posts, and maybe you'll understand why you're wrong.

You being a scientist cant even get you hand on the most abundant thing out there.

I have explained this repeatedly. Either read my posts, or I'll report you for spamming.

You talking about you challenge me to find holes in your theory of evolution.

Yes.

I also challenge you to bring in a sample of dark matter, say a pound of it.

Look outside your window. There's more than a pound of dark matter in the sky.

You probably bring me back a pound of more double talk. Go on and make a name for yourself so you can step out the shadow. Cant be that hard to do if 90% dark matter. And when you bring in a pound or a ton or enough to detect it I be up for the challenge you talking about.

Pathetic. You make a claim, and I challenge you to prove it. You respond by challenging me to do something that I never claim I could do. Could it be you're holding a double standard?

And while your at it put up the article where it show the words "separation of church and state". You go on now and put it up so i can see it.

Take a look at the title. The words 'separation of church and state' are clear as day.

Wiccan going to put his money where his mouth is and bring back a pound of nothing to look at.

Correct. Dark matter doesn't

Wiccan did you know that a single gold atom can't be detected with the human eye but great lumps of it is enough for ANYBODY to see.

Yes, I was aware of this. In fact, this is a good analogy for dark matter: we can only detect it by looking for large clumps of it. Our detectors are not nearly sensitive enough to spot single dark matter particles (if they even exist as particles), but we can detect large clumps of the stuff. And I'm talking on a galactic scale here.

Professing themselves to wise they became as fools.

Romans 1:22

Another fitting analogy: you are professing yourself wise with regards to modern astronomy, yet you become as a fool. I have given you the evidence. I have given you the theory. Yet you still reject what is plain as day. Why?

 

[Morcova]

Professing themselves to wise they became as fools.

Romans 1:22

You probably miss the irony of you, of all posters quoting that.

 

[Losangeleschristian]

You probably miss the irony of you, of all posters quoting that.

I never claim I be wise. I even say that earlier that not my way. That more Wiccans speed.

He impressed over a fruitfly explaining to me how it going to speciate into an orangatang and from there how it turn into a cow and from there into a giraffe. All it take is some time. He even know how much dark matter be in the sky. he say "more than a pound" of it

And while he at it he going to bring back all the missing link for the giraffe. They all laying around out there in the desert somewhere.

 

[Baggins]

I never claim I be wise. I even say that earlier that not my way. That more Wiccans speed.

He impressed over a fruitfly explaining to me how it going to speciate into an orangatang and from there how it turn into a cow and from there into a giraffe. All it take is some time. He even know how much dark matter be in the sky. he say "more than a pound" of it

And while he at it he going to bring back all the missing link for the giraffe. They all laying around out there in the desert somewhere.

Can I be the first to call Poe?

No one's use of English can be this poor unless it is done intentionally, it is written in a way that an educated person writes english if he is trying to appear dumb.

The randomness of the mis-spelt words is also a bit of a give away.

Ignorant people do not write english with the grammar of a thick cartoon character all that " while he at it " stuff.

I give it 5/10

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I never claim I be wise. I even say that earlier that not my way. That more Wiccans speed.

I claimed to have evidence, which is more than you have.

He impressed over a fruitfly explaining to me how it going to speciate into an orangatang and from there how it turn into a cow and from there into a giraffe.

Fruitflies will always be fruitflies. The descendants of humans will always be humans.

All it take is some time.

Nope. If evolutionary theory is true, then a fruitfly will never evolve into anything but a fruitfly.

He even know how much dark matter be in the sky.

I believe there is dark matter because the evidence unanimously points to its existance.

he say "more than a pound" of it

He also says it using correct grammar.

And while he at it he going to bring back all the missing link for the giraffe. They all laying around out there in the desert somewhere.

For a description of the evolution of the giraffe, see:
Stevens, J. (1993). Familiar Strangers. International Wildlife, 23, 6-10.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Can I be the first to call Poe?

No one's use of English can be this poor unless it is done intentionally, it is written in a way that an educated person writes english if he is trying to appear dumb.

The randomness of the mis-spelt words is also a bit of a give away.

Ignorant people do not write english with the grammar of a thick cartoon character all that " while he at it " stuff.

I give it 5/10

My idea is that he's genuine, and his atrocious grammar is due to a regional accent (e.g., broken english, or a Baltimore dialect). But then, I'm not from the US, so I could be talking BS

 

[Baggins]

My idea is that he's genuine, and his atrocious grammar is due to a regional accent (e.g., broken english, or a Baltimore dialect). But then, I'm not from the US, so I could be talking BS

I hope I'm right and you're wrong, the alternative is a bit shocking. I don't buy the "writing in a regional accent" thing, Britain has a huge variation in regional accent and no one writes in that accent unless it is for effect ( Like Irvine Welsh's novels in Edinburgh vernacular ), it takes far more effort to try and write down how an accent sounds than to write standard english.

Most poorly educated people can still manage to write reasonable standard English, that's why I don't buy this one, also if you look a lot of the spelling is fine and every now and then there is a shocker as if put in to convince us that the writer is the real deal.

I still say Poe, but a good one