I simply cannot believe this.

[ScottishJohn]

I was browsing through the BBC site and found this:

What is it?

Some new cartoon?

No.

It is the most recent attempt by the Loyal Orange Order to attract youth into their organisation.

Seriously.

I'd have thought the opportunity to take part in the wonderful youth events associated with the proud history of the Orange Order would have been attraction enough for young people?

I'm wondering what superpowers he might have? Who his arch enemies might be? My mind is overloaded with horrendous possibilities.


They are running a competition to find a name.

I think we could come up with a few suggestions couldn't we?

In their wisdom they have deemed 'Orangeman' too obvious.

Peep O'Day?

Answers on a postcard!

 

[Avatar]

I'm sure he was great at slaughtering Irish peasants.

 

[ScottishJohn]

I'm sure he was great at slaughtering Irish peasants.

Can you believe these people? You'd hope they would have the good grace to let their repugnant organisation and their even more unpleasant opinions die out. No, they want to spawn a whole other generation.

 

[Pogue]

Whoa.

 

[theFijian]

Bigot Boy, Super Prod, Captain Sash?

 

[BjorkIsCool]

From reading the article this seems to be a character for a Christmas card. Not a super hero as the BBC have made you believe.

And an organisation trying to attrack new members, shock horror, who would have believed it!!!

 

[ScottishJohn]

From reading the article this seems to be a character for a Christmas card. Not a super hero as the BBC have made you believe.

Tights, Cape, Utility belt, and muscles?

His role does not end with Christmas cards:

"He features on the Christmas cards as Santa's little helper, but it also has a wider appeal so we've launched a competition for people to come up with a name for him.

"The institution covers such a wide spectrum age-wise, grandfathers and grandsons are both involved - there is the junior institution up until the age of 16 or 17, so it's something they can hopefully get involved with."

And an organisation trying to attrack new members, shock horror, who would have believed it!!!

An ugly organisation trying to ensure that its ugly views corrupt yet another generation.

 

[BjorkIsCool]

Tights, Cape, Utility belt, and muscles?

His role does not end with Christmas cards:





An ugly organisation trying to ensure that its ugly views corrupt yet another generation.

Corrupt another generation, what are you on about?

I dont know anybody who is an organge man, i never hear anything about orange men.

You really dont have a clue about NI.

And its obviously not a super hero!!!!!

 

[ScottishJohn]

Corrupt another generation, what are you on about?

I'm 'on about' the Loyal Orange order, an organisation devoted to promoting religious bigotry and hatred.

I dont know anybody who is an organge man, i never hear anything about orange men.

Which proves what?

You really dont have a clue about NI.

This is the standard response, unfortunately in this case it is false. I lived and worked in Northern Ireland for a while, I married a girl from Bangor, and I have lots of family over there, I visit several times a year, and follow the news.

And its obviously not a super hero!!!!!

Obviously!!

No similarities at all.

 

[Pogue]

If that's not a superhero, what is? What else can it possibly be?
This whole thing is just creepy. I've been trying to form coherant thoughts, other than 'uuurgh', about this for hours now, and I just can't. It's wrong.

 

[BjorkIsCool]

I'm 'on about' the Loyal Orange order, an organisation devoted to promoting religious bigotry and hatred.

Which proves what?

This is the standard response, unfortunately in this case it is false. I lived and worked in Northern Ireland for a while, I married a girl from Bangor, and I have lots of family over there, I visit several times a year, and follow the news.

Obviously!!

No similarities at all.

What i meant when i said 'on about' was how has the organisation in question corrupted my generation and the next generation?

Protestants and Catholics of my generation can get on together no matter how there polital opinion differs. And the best dont give a crap about politic's. I dont give a crap about politics, except for saying how crap it is. I would like NI to become independent from Britain, but dont care if we dont, im not going to get poltical about it.......

You dont live here any more, so you cant really know everything any more. Follow the news(!), please dont let them brain wash you.

In a way its people like you who try to stir division, along with the BBC, who have been doing it for decades. I could class you along with the bigoted and hatred filled people you claim are orangemen.....but wont, cos you arent. And you arent implying that your wife has been corrupted and become bigoted and hatred filled i take it...

Bangor is a dump.......lol.......sorry but it is! Well its better than secular Britain actually.

On the superhero topic:
You still cant claim that is a super hero, unless the people behind it say it is, and they have said its santas little helper. All it is is a picture, 'dont judge a book by its cover'.

 

[ScottishJohn]

What i meant when i said 'on about' was how has the organisation in question corrupted my generation and the next generation?

The Orange Order have corrupted generation after generation of protestants by encouraging bigotry, and they continue to do so. Until last month I worked in an area which has one of the largest Orange marches outside of Northern Ireland, and I've seen first hand what getting involved with the Orange Order does to young people.

Protestants and Catholics of my generation can get on together no matter how there polital opinion differs.

That has been the case for several generations - it has been physically possible for Protestants and Catholics to get on together. The fact remains that some choose not to get on together. Like the ones who choose to belong to an organisation which exists purely to celebrate not being catholic. There are certainly less of those people around than there were 50 years ago, but there are still too many.

And the best dont give a crap about politic's. I dont give a crap about politics, except for saying how crap it is.

If everyone takes that attitude then you get stuck with the 'crap'. Every democratic country gets the government it deserves based on the participation of the electorate.

I would like NI to become independent from Britain, but dont care if we dont, im not going to get poltical about it.......

Your choice.

You dont live here any more, so you cant really know everything any more.

Uhuh, not a very strong argument. I never claimed I knew everything about Northern Ireland, just that I knew enough to form a sound opinion. I don't have to live in Northern Ireland to take an interest. Nor do I have to live there to know some of what is going on.

Follow the news(!), please dont let them brain wash you.

Unlikely.

In a way its people like you who try to stir division, along with the BBC, who have been doing it for decades. I could class you along with the bigoted and hatred filled people you claim are orangemen.....but wont, cos you arent.

I'm trying to stir up division? By condemning an organisation which entrenches division within Northern Irish Society, I am in fact stirring up division? I'm sorry, you'll need to explain that one to me.

And you arent implying that your wife has been corrupted and become bigoted and hatred filled i take it...

To a certain extent she was. She went to a mixed school, which was a step ahead of lots of her peers, but she still had plenty of unfounded prejudices that she had picked up which were challenged when she lived over here.

Bangor is a dump.......lol.......sorry but it is!

I don't see what your opinion of Bangor has to do with the topic.

Well its better than secular Britain actually.

Interesting...

On the superhero topic:
You still cant claim that is a super hero, unless the people behind it say it is, and they have said its santas little helper. All it is is a picture, 'dont judge a book by its cover'.

They haven't said anywhere that it isn't a superhero. They said 'it features on the Christmas cards as Santas little helper' but specifically stated that the role didn't end there: 'but it also has a wider appeal so we've launched a competition for people to come up with a name for him.'

If it is not meant to be a superhero, why is it designed to look like a superhero, and why would they rule out 'Orangeman' as being too obvious as a potential name

 

[BjorkIsCool]

Ok you are right about everything. Personal i dont care.


Maybe I just thought you went to far in blaming the orange men organisation for being the reason why there are protestants that are anti-catholic and that they corrupted generation after generation. But maybe not. I dont know.

If everyone takes that attitude then you get stuck with the 'crap'. Every democratic country gets the government it deserves based on the participation of the electorate.

There are Unionist parties and there are Republican parties, not great situation i think.

Ok peace dude.

 

[ScottishJohn]

Maybe I just thought you went to far in blaming the orange men organisation for being the reason why there are protestants that are anti-catholic and that they corrupted generation after generation. But maybe not. I dont know.

Not the only reason, but one of many. There are many reasons and they are gradually being stripped away one by one. The Orange Order will be one of the last when it finally dies out.

There are Unionist parties and there are Republican parties, not great situation i think.

I don't mind the UUP and SDLP. It is important to have advocates on both sides, Sinn Fein and the DUP are just rabble rousers.

Ok peace dude.

Peace.

 

[holysee]

I wonder if he has enough superpowers to walk down the Garvaghy Road and insult the locals as he does so.

 

[Tyndale]

I'm 'on about' the Loyal Orange order, an organisation devoted to promoting religious bigotry and hatred.

Can't take you seriously John, What's bigoted about running a Protestant organisation for Protestants?

 

[Tyndale]

I wonder if he has enough superpowers to walk down the Garvaghy Road and insult the locals as he does so.

Tell me, what is it that insults the locals? The Orange Order have a traditional march along the Queens highway, it's a legal march where they proudly celebrate their tradition playing Christian songs? Tell me, what's so insulting about that?

 

[holysee]

Tell me, what is it that insults the locals? The Orange Order have a traditional march along the Queens highway, it's a legal march where they proudly celebrate their tradition playing Christian songs? Tell me, what's so insulting about that?

The "Sash my Father Wore" and "Derry's Walls" are Christian songs? The Orange Order is a specifically anti-Catholic organisation , look at this-
http://www.lol.1960.50megs.com/custom6.html about the qualifications an Orangeman should have-


[FONT=Trebuchet MS, verdana, arial, helvetica]He should uphold and defend the Protestant religion and sincerely desire and endeavour to propagate its doctrines and precepts. He should strenuously oppose the fatal errors and doctrines of the Church of Rome, and scrupulously avoid countenancing (by his presence or otherwise) any act or ceremony of Popish Worship. He should by all lawful means resist the ascendancy of that Church, its encroachments and the extension of its power[/FONT]

Since the residents of the Garvaghy Road are overwhelmingly Catholic a triumphalist noisy parade by anti-Catholics right through the middle of their neighbourhood is by definition insulting. Not to mention disruptive to our Popish worship since Orange Walks have an uncanny habit of going pass Catholic Churches during Mass. Even if the Orangemen themselves obeyed their own rule [FONT=Trebuchet MS, verdana, arial, helvetica]ever abstaining from all uncharitable words, actions or sentiments towards Roman Catholics[/FONT] their march followers walking through the neighbourhood, drunk abusive and violent do not.

 

[holysee]

Can't take you seriously John, What's bigoted about running a Protestant organisation for Protestants?

Are Orangemen allowed to marry Roman Catholics whilst retaining their membership/

 

[Tyndale]

Are Orangemen allowed to marry Roman Catholics whilst retaining their membership/

Yes, next question