He does not only teach the "prosperity gospel" but if you are speaking of "name it and claim it" that is an attitude of faith that we all should have.
No one ever claims we can attain perfection in this lifetime or that everything is always going to go our way.
Heck, if they were I'd be calling them a liar myself. I have gone through and continue to go through my "character building" You know trials and tribulations are used for our good, even if meant for our evil. I was speaking to my dad the other night telling him, man, God must want me to have some kind of Character...Cause shoot sometimes I'm just plain worn out from the amount of struggles I go through.
We all have them and joel does not claim that God will *poof* your troubles away nor does he claim that God will *poof* everything you have ever wanted into your hands.
But he says believe for BIG things, speak good things into your life, an attitude of gratitude. One which we all need. Faith is a very needed attribute of a believer, even when we are going through the roughest trials in our lives.
I don't know about you, but it helps to have other believers encourage me, lift me up, speak good things in my life...and I say that because of the things I have gone through and how critical people have been over my life with a microscope seemingly always on me..
There are others that are just in bad situations having negativity in their lives and spoken to them everyday, you have no idea what 20 minutes of encouragement spoke into their heart can do for them.
And it's not because we are somehow "good" or "worthy" but only because we belong to Christ.
Who said anything about someone expecting it in only a 30 minute sermon one day a week?
Spoon fed to them? Oh you mean encouraged by a fellow brother/sister in the Lord? I didn't realize that was spoon feeding. . .
As you can see in my signature, I'm big on being an encourager, comforter, anything I can do, no matter what I'm going through and I don't cosider myself a "spoon feeder" but a sister. One who has been comforted by God and in the same way I reach out my hand to comfort and encourage others.
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Sorry I deleted most of your verses relating to tribulation, for one because I never denied tribulation or "picking up our cross and following Jesus" for another alot of those verses had to do with the end times of the great "Tribulation"
Anyone feel free to look back at the verses he laid out though, they are good verses taken in context.
I didn't report you and there is no attitude except I asked you not to refer to me as such again "My dear" I cannot hear your tone, but it read to me as condescending and I didn't appreciate it. If you would like to call me sis, feel free, but not knowing you and reading your words makes it hard to interpret if you are trying to be sweet or be sarcastic..k thanks.
"the Hebrew passge doesn't even apply to the Gospel"????!!! :what:
Lets begin in Hebrews shall we?
Chapter 5:11We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn. 12In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the
elementary truths of God's word all over again.
You need milk, not solid food! 13
Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14
But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.
So reading this Scripture what say you?
What is elementry truths of God's Word? Is it not the law? Because those in need of milk obviously do not understand true righteousness, which is not of ourselves, but in Christ.
By righteousness we are freed from the law....once we grasp this and understand who we are in Christ, it is time to move on to solid foods.
As I have said over and over in this thread joel is obviously speaking to those already saved, not laying foundation, but raising the bar of Christian living.
Well may God bless you with clearer discernment as your relationship continues to grow in maturity.
Peace
Mele, how long do you suppose that sermon lasts? Do you honestly think joel's sermon only lasts 30 minutes.
I very much doubt it.
In each service I attend it is not a declaration of the commandments and what you do to repent, if so you would not be able to move into further teaching.
Now there will be some to open up the heart in case there is any unbeliever in our midst that he/she may have the opportunity to come forward, be prayed for and things further discussed.
But, no, the same thing is not said week after week.
Praise God for growth in Him!
