Forced Vaccinations?

[oneofGod]

I am a parent. I signed an exempt for for my children to not get vaccinations this year, because of Religious reasons.

Now, people will say, if you don't get your kids vaccinated, they could get the other kids sick.

My answer is, if the vaccinations work so good, and your kids got their shots, why are you worried about my kids getting your kids sick?

Parents should watch this.

 

[notto]

Nobody's forcing them to get vaccinations. That is an exaggeration that borders on a lie. Just pull your kids out of public school and you don't need to get your vaccinations. There certainly are legal ways to not get vaccinations including homeschooling, private schooling or just filling out the proper paperwork for an exceptions.

These parents were in court because they didn't get the exemption and continued to send their kids to public school putting other kids at risk. They made the choice to NOT use their valid and legal ways around vaccinations.

They knew what was expected of them. They ignored their responsibility. They then blame the government? That's one heck of a persecution complex!

Ignoring things like that have a tendency to get your butt taken to court or your kids thrown out of school (and rightfully so).

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxgfgb8Vfn3PogUnYZrIYaATQliwD8SUVOEG1

"The message is get your kids vaccinated or get an exemption," said Prince George's County State's Attorney Glenn Ivey. "You can't just sit on the fence."

 

[oneofGod]

Try to force my kids to get vaccinated over my dead body.

And my kids will stay in school, because I pay my taxes just like everyone else.

notto, ironic your signature is www.aclufightsforchristians.comhttp://www.aclufightforchristians.com

Fascism is alive and well in the us, and the ACLU is just a sucker on the tentacle of the octopus, in my opinion.

The ACLU is all about removing the ten commandments from people core values.

 

[notto]

Try to force my kids to get vaccinated over my dead body.

And my kids will stay in school, because I pay my taxes just like everyone else.

Then don't blame the govnerment when they kick your kids out or take you to court. You have made your informed choice and it is putting other kids at risk.

notto, ironic your signature is www.aclufightsforchristians.com

Fascism is alive and well in the us, and the ACLU is just a sucker on the tentacle of the octopus, in my opinion.

The ACLU is all about removing the ten commandments from people core values.

Oh, you're one of those. Sorry.

 

[oneofGod]

Um, if the darn vaccinations work so good, why would you worry about your vaccinated kid getting sick from my unvaccinated kid?

I think it would be the other way around, because the vaccination basically makes your kid sick, which my kid could catch.

See what I mean?

 

[notto]

Um, if the darn vaccinations work so good, why would you worry about your vaccinated kid getting sick from my unvaccinated kid?

This shows that you don't understand how vaccinations work in the general population. Protection comes form immunity and the ability to not have it spread to those who the vaccination is not effective on as well.

I think it would be the other way around, because the vaccination basically makes your kid sick, which my kid could catch.

See what I mean?

No. I don't. What you are saying doesn't make sense and doesn't reflect how vaccinations actually work.

Welcome to your future. It looks like the past

 

[oneofGod]

You can glean how effective vaccines are at killing by the way they use them to kill off African children, exposed by Kihura Nkuba recently. A revealing statistic is the fact 780,000 people die from Allopathic (vaccinator) iatrogenic disease in the USA every year (1), 106,000 from adverse drug reactions.
The bottom line: Allopathy has always killed more children than the diseases with vaccination

Source

There are thousands of death that get swept under the carpet in hospitals due to vaccinations. Believe it, or not.

 

[notto]

Source

There are thousands of death that get swept under the carpet in hospitals due to vaccinations. Believe it, or not.

Sorry, I don't believe it. Not without some valid data.

That quote is a distortion of the data and the conclusion it makes certainly doen't follow from the data referenced.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed/deaths.htm

Now, how exactly does this data support this claim?

Allopathy has always killed more children than the diseases with vaccination

The table that is being referenced doesn't even mention vaccinations. Your rage should be against preventing bedsores.

Your own source doesn't even say thousands. It says hundreds (from the looks if it, it probably contradicts itself sowhere else. It is a little bit hard to follow the rant and the fonts.

That's quite a source of unbiased well referenced info there.

Let me guess. The lack of evidence is further evidence of the conspiracy. It's perfect!

 

[oneofGod]

One parent whose report we have taken, Mrs. Genene Howell, had a son who became ill and cried continuously after vaccination, dying 24 hours later. Another mother, Mrs. Beth Vaughan, has twin daughters who both became permanently brain damaged after their DPT injections. They will need to be in care for the rest of their lives. These two mothers are willing to speak with the media about their children's reactions. These are just a few of the many families whose lives have been ruined or ended by vaccines and who are invisible as far as the medical community and the media are concerned.
The AVN wishes to make it clear that the vaccination controversy is not the simple issue that the public has been led to believe. The Government's explanation for the falling vaccination rate, attributing it to complacency and apathy, is patently false! The drop is essentially due to concerned and educated parents having, upon their own experiences and/or independent research, arrived at the realisation that vaccinations are not safe and effective as the authorities have been telling us for years.

Source



I could show you thousands of examples like the one above.



Someday, people will have to learn to trust God a bit more on His design for the human ability to fend off viruses and bacteria.




Good food and clean water would be the worlds best vaccination.

 

[notto]

I could show you thousands of examples like the one above.

And I could show you hundreds of thousands if not millions of examples of children worldwide who lived through their childhood without having to be concerned with getting polio. Something that just two generations ago scared parents and crippled children.

You should ask your parents or grandparents how many people they knew who lost children to polio. Ask them if they would have vaccinated their kids.

You are trying to argue against a statistical reality with anecdotal stories.

That doesn't make good argument.

Let's see the 'thousand's that you can show?

You've got two. Only a few thousand more to go. Of course that is still only an extremely small percentage of the millions over the past two generations who have lived free of any outbreak.

You are talking about dozens which shows that you can't even comprehend what past outbreaks looked like. Thousands of children sick at one time in a single city. Without vaccinations, we would see those same scenes again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubella

There was a pandemic of rubella between 1962 and 1965, starting in Europe and spreading to the United States.[7] In the years 1964-65, the United States had an estimated 12.5 million rubella cases. This led to 11,000 miscarriages or therapeutic abortions and 20,000 cases of congenital rubella syndrome. Of these, 2,100 died as neonates, 12,000 were deaf, 3,580 were blind and 1,800 were mentally retarded. In New York alone, CRS affected 1% of all births.[8]

 

[oneofGod]

notto, where did Polio come from? How about AIDS?

One theory of the origin of AIDS is that it developed from contaminated vaccines used in the
world's first mass immunisation for polio. There are a number of reasons why this theory is
plausible enough to be worthy of further investigation.

Source

 

[notto]

Wow. I'm out.

You really should scrutinize the evidence and claims you accept as much as you do the ones you reject.

It is clear that all you intend to do is cherrypick what you want to hear and base your claims on anecdotals from dubious sources.

I hope you child survives to graduation.

 

[oneofGod]

notto, did you get your children vaccinated?

 

[Antigone]

notto, where did Polio come from? How about AIDS?

One theory of the origin of AIDS is that it developed from contaminated vaccines used in the world's first mass immunisation for polio. There are a number of reasons why this theory is plausible enough to be worthy of further investigation.

Source

Even if that is true - and, although there appears to be some ground for this theory, it is far from proven - that vaccine went out of use eons ago and therefore is no longer applicable to the current debate.

While I applaud any efford to scrutinise vaccinations - because a lot of people are blind to the fact that they can, and do, have side effects that can be quite grave in some cases - I still think that generally, they have proven humanity a service.
Of course, that says nothing about any religious reasons you might have for not having your children vaccinated. Mind if I ask why you don't want to?

 

[oneofGod]

Even if that is true - and, although there appears to be some ground for this theory, it is far from proven - that vaccine went out of use eons ago and therefore is no longer applicable to the current debate.

While I applaud any efford to scrutinise vaccinations - because a lot of people are blind to the fact that they can, and do, have side effects that can be quite grave in some cases - I still think that generally, they have proven humanity a service.
Of course, that says nothing about any religious reasons you might have for not having your children vaccinated. Mind if I ask why you don't want to?

1. 2 Chronicles 16:12
   And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.
   2 Chronicles 16:11-13 (in Context) 2 Chronicles 16 (Whole Chapter)
2. Job 13:4
   But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value.
   Job 13:3-5 (in Context) Job 13 (Whole Chapter)
3. Mark 5:26
   And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,
   Mark 5:25-27 (in Context) Mark 5 (Whole Chapter)
4. Luke 8:43
   And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,
   Luke 8:42-44 (in Context) Luke 8 (Whole Chapter)

A few reasons. I have other reasons, like the ingredients in the shots, the fact that they want my 6 yr old to get a shot for STD.

 

[oneofGod]

Physicians are meant to heal broken bones and stitch up wounds.

It concerns me when they tamper with God's design.

How do we know that the diseases we are treating (not curing) are
not introduce by mans lack of trust in God in the first place.

Darwinism and the theory of survival of the fittest is alive and well.

So is the love of money.

 

[notto]

Darwinism and the theory of survival of the fittest is alive and well.

Actually, artificial vaccination would stop the mechanisms that are involved with the scientific theory of evolution. Vaccination changes the process of natural selection and favors individuals with low survivability instead of high.

 

[oneofGod]

Well it's a good thing nobody is making any money off the great benefits to mankind introduced by the vaccination policy in the US in the 20's

Now, instead of dealing with one or two diseases, we have 100's of uncurable, yet treatable, diseases, that all have flu like symptoms.

Then there's cancer. Billions and billions have been spent researching cancer. Yet still, no one even knows the cause, the cure, or even if it's a bacteria, virus or what.

But we should trust them to inject our children with new vaccines every year for new diseases?

 

[oneofGod]

As doctors work harder and harder to control diseases, the diseases get stronger and stronger, and in more diverse places.

Someone is going to win. The doctors, or the disease. The rope in the tug of war is the people.

Do we trust the doctors enough, to put our best interests ahead of the lure of wealth and power?

The term "I'm a doctor" has become and equivalent to "I am a human god, who can extend your life."

Bullarky! If God wants you, He will take you.

 

[notto]