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Scientific hoax: Piltdown man was a fake

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Why did Dawson find it necessary to help science find proofs of the evolutionary faith?

Why do you ignore all of the real hominid transitionals?

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All theories are tentative. Didn't you know that?
He he he - that is what was so funny. Billions of unproved theories!

Of course there is............hence the posters need for a continuing science education.
 
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what is the basis of you ordering them like you did?

How do you know which came first?

You are looking for evidence to fit you made up mind?

Bad science. Your Bias is shaping your research.

Please explain evolution from the very beginning.

You see Most evolutionist do not know the evolution theory.
 
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So no one knows the full title of Charles Darwin Origins of species?



Or are you being coy, slick and rotten. Darwin was a Racists. Hitler was a Social Darwinist.

If Evolution is true, then Hitler was right to preserve favoured races.

You guys have shown yourselves to be less than honest, already.
 
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Wikipedia said:
In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess, hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from or is supported by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable. As such, scientific theories are essentially the equivalent of what everyday speech refers to as facts. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections or inclusion in a yet wider theory. Commonly, a large number of more specific hypotheses may be logically bound together by just one or two theories. As a general rule for use of the term, theories tend to deal with much broader sets of universals than do hypotheses, which ordinarily deal with much more specific sets of phenomena or specific applications of a theory.
Wikipedia said:
A hypothesis (from Greek ὑπόθεσις) consists either of a suggested explanation for a phenomenon or of a reasoned proposal suggesting a possible correlation between multiple phenomena. The term derives from the Greek, hypotithenai meaning "to put under" or "to suppose." The scientific method requires that one can test a scientific hypothesis. Scientists generally base such hypotheses on previous observations or on extensions of scientific theories.
Wikipedia said:
The laws of science are various established scientific laws, or physical laws as they are sometimes called, that are considered universal and invariable facts of the physical world. Laws of science may, however, be disproved if new facts or evidence arise to contradict them. A "law" differs from hypotheses, theories, postulates,principles, etc., in that a law is an analytic statement, usually with an empirically determined constant. A theory may contain a set of laws, or a theory may be implied from an empirically determined law.
I hope that clears things up once in for all.
 
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You see Most evolutionist do not know the evolution theory.
All Creationists do not know the evolution theory. I've yet to see a single one get the definition right. They are just out there flailing at Strawmen of their own devising.
 
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Woe!

You guys do not know what science is.

Molal There is a hierachy is science.

1) Laws 2) Theories 3) Hypothesis.

Gravity is a law. Every theory has to look for proof to graduate as a law. Laws are at the pinacle.
i find it remarkable that not only do you accuse us (several of whom have degrees in and/or are working scientists) of not knowing what science is but when you explain what science is you show a total ignorance of what science is. laws are universal mathematical descriptions, theories explain natural phenomena, and hypotheses are educated guesses that can be confirmed or refuted by experimentation.

I have put up one challenge, start from the beginning and explain evolution.
evolution is the change in the allele frequency of a population over time. mutation is the mechanism of change and natural selection is the mechanism that distributes that change about the population, both of which have been observed. common descent is the theory that all life is descended from a single common ancestor, which is supported by the fact that life is uniform (based on only 4 bases and 20 amino acids).

Speciaciation: a dog and and a wolf are the same kind of species. A frog and a dog are not. People claim because a dog is a bit different from a wolf it then proves evolution. Wow, that it a big leap.
speciation is the process by which populations become reproductively isolated. dogs are descended from wolves and havent been away from wolves long enough for genetic barriers to set in. frog and dog ancestors speciated over 350 million years ago. The artificial selection that dogs have been subject to mirrors natural selection and given enough time dogs could speciate from wolves in fact some of the smaller breeds are likely to be physically incapable of breeding with wolves despite still being genetically compatable.

We have not even gone to astrological evolution, which no one has seen yet. Do not tell me you do not know it is part of the evolution theory.
evolution is strictly a biological theory and your anticipation of such a response reveals that you are feigning your ignorance. i vote troll. and it's astronomical not astrological.
 
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Eistein, Hitler and Edison as Theosophers

Here is a link
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/his/influence-theosophy.html

Bear- OH My!

There are billions of unproven theories.

Laws of science are proven until there is new evidence to discard them.

Speakout, it is now clear why you are having so much fun. You clearly don't believe what you are saying, because no person can possibly be so ignorant. You are simply trolling around, flaming knowledgable, good natured people into responding to your asinine comments. Your Kent Hovind-like PRATTs are so tongue-in-cheek it's obvious your playing a prank.

I applaud your dry sense of humor, and I like the way you show the absurdity of the points you make. But it's time to come clean, lest people think you really are as uninformed as you're pretending to be.
 
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Let us not talk about Haskallah (Enlightenment) just yet. Simply because we are dealing with exoteric rather than esoterics information.
Haskalah Jewish movement in Europe active from the 1770s to the 1880s. Beginning in Germany in the circle of the German Jewish philosopher Moses Mendelssohn and spreading to Galicia and Russia, the Haskalah called for increased secularization of Jewish life through secular learning, a concern for esthetics, and linguistic assimilation (especially in Germany), all in the cause of speeding Jewish emancipation. The proponents of the Haskalah (maskilim) established schools and published periodicals and other works. By publishing in Hebrew, they contributed to the revival of the language (reference)

What has this got to do with science?
 
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Speakout, it is now clear why you are having so much fun. You clearly don't believe what you are saying, because no person can possibly be so ignorant. You are simply trolling around, flaming knowledgable, good natured people into responding to your asinine comments. Your Kent Hovind-like PRATTs are so tongue-in-cheek it's obvious your playing a prank.

I applaud your dry sense of humor, and I like the way you show the absurdity of the points you make. But it's time to come clean, lest people think you really are as uninformed as you're pretending to be.
I called him out as a troll back in post #16. Do I at least get credit for that?
 
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So no one knows the full title of Charles Darwin Origins of species?

Post #53. Or are you being coy, slick and rotten?

Darwin was a Racists. Hitler was a Social Darwinist.

Social darwinism is not biological evolution, and Darwin was a lot less racist than his contemporaries.

If Evolution is true, then Hitler was right to preserve favoured races.

In Darwin's vernacular, race=species. All humans belong to one species, so Darwin actually argued against what Hitler did.

Besides, if Hitler truly believed in evolution he would already know that inferior genes would weed themselves out of the population all on their own without any outside help.

You guys have shown yourselves to be less than honest, already.

Really? This coming from someone who ignores real transitionals and confuses the terms theory and law.
 
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