Yikes DNA proves what??

[USincognito]

In 1948 the USA was not a superpower nor nearly as wealthy either.

What???

You really need to learn some history man. In 1948 the U.S. was the only superpower and enjoying an economic boom caused by the pent up demand during the war years. The period from 1945-1949 is referred to a the Pax Americana.

 

[Carey]

Are you calling Merkel a Nazi?

The sons of the oppressing nazis are bowing to Israels requests.

Eventually all of the descendents of every oppressor of Israels past will do just like the Palestinians do if they want transports of materials through checkpoints.

Isaiah 60 : 14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the LORD,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.



Prayer doesn't work. There are written records that span a time in which there was a supposed global flood. The earth was not created in 6 days - there were millions of years between water appearing and there being life.

Need I continue?

Prayers of the righteous and/or faithful are answered.
I have never prayed for anything that I did not eventually recieve.

Global flood?? Records??

Prove the earth was not created in 6 days..please.

Prove there were millions of years between water "appearing"( however or whoever made that happen)
and there being life ...please.

 

[Carey]

Please prove that it is not invisible magic pixies?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lensing

Gravitational lensing is a prediction of general relativity. If it didn't happen, general relativity must be wrong, but we know that it is almost certainly correct due to other evidence.

That article describes various bits of evidence.

So once again nothing can be proved anly evidence shown.

And the existence of Israel is more compelling for anyone with common sense to this day is by far the most compelling evidence of the accuracy of the Bible than anything to disprove it.

 

[Chalnoth]

And the existence of Israel is more compelling for anyone with common sense to this day is by far the most compelling evidence of the accuracy of the Bible than anything to disprove it.

If that's your most compelling evidence, well, then excuse me for laughing. A self-fulfilling prophecy is not convincing in the least to those of us who actually think rationally.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Correct they are proof we unilaterally can go in and do as we please if we have to.

Seen any news on Iraq lately? Say, in the last three years?

 

[ondaball]

If that's your most compelling evidence, well, then excuse me for laughing. A self-fulfilling prophecy is not convincing in the least to those of us who actually think rationally.

The Genesis 6 flood was global because water always finds its own level & Genesis 6 records that it covered the highest mountains

Anyone see www.RevelationTV.com @ 9/10pm on Thurs when the 2 ace scientists demolished Darwin drivel & substantiated Intelligent Design in many ways?

Just time to post military cloning experiments to show just how 'honourable' scientists are

As if WMD didn't show that aleady


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Darwin drivel makes 'em think human life is worthless - to be discarded at will

Death penalty for murder - Exodus - shows the supreme value God puts on it

Ian

 

[FishFace]

Prayers of the righteous and/or faithful are answered.

You've said this already. WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE?

I have never prayed for anything that I did not eventually recieve.

Of course, Carey. Even if it were true (which I doubt; people have highly selective memories) then you are just one case. I suppose that amputees are all lacking in faith, since they never regrow their limbs!

Global flood?? Records??

Most YECs reckon the flood happened around 4,000 years ago - 2000 BC. Certainly no earlier than 5,000 years ago. Well, ancient egypt was already a unified state in 5,000 BC, and has historical records from before then. The classic creationist response to this is that Egyptian records weren't very accurate. Well, we don't know the dates precisely, but we're certainly with a hundred years.
If there was a global flood when you say there was, you have a lot of explaining to do - how come Egypt just carried on happily while they were apparently all dead?

Prove the earth was not created in 6 days..please.

I told you, I can't prove that - nothing can be proven except maths. But I've also told you - several times - that we can get very good evidence.

Prove there were millions of years between water "appearing"( however or whoever made that happen)
and there being life ...please.

How about some evidence instead, since you couldn't even prove you exist. (But could give evidence.)

Here is an article describing the origin of water in rocky planets like Earth. I'm not sure you can read it (I can - good old University internet connection) but the upshot is that water was present in the solar accretion disk that formed the planets, so water must have been present on the earth's surface very rapidly. As described here, Zircons require water and an atmosphere to form, and zircons have been found which are 4.4 billion years old.

So that's when water existed. Now for life. The earliest known fossils of living creatures are 3.9 billion years old, although that doesn't prevent there being life before that. However, the Bible says that plants and land animals were around a couple of days after the water, which is certainly false - it wasn't for billions more years before those organisms arrived.

Of course, you will be wondering how we come by these dates and the answer of course is radiometric dating. This is a very reliable dating method, used routinely by scientists. In each case, different methods are used on each individual sample. If the overall method didn't work, we would be able to tell because each method would give a different date - this doesn't happen; they are consistent.
To get billion year dates into thousand year dates requires 6 orders of magnitude difference - quite a feat. Now, you may not realise, but radiometric dating, which relies on radioactive decay, works on the same principles as a nuclear reactor. Not only does this mean that it is almost impossible for radiometric dating to be wrong, since we know nuclear reactors work, it also means that if you accelerate radioactive decay in the past so that the rocks appear older than they are, then a correspondingly larger amount of radiation is released.
As you know, radiation is very energetic - that's why nuclear reactors work. When radiation hits things it releases heat. If you sped up radioactivity so that the rocks appeared sufficiently old then everything on earth would be cooked.

It's not proof. There could be an invisible flying spaghetti monster, or a gang of pixies, who went around altering the rocks so they looked old. But what's the more reasonable explanation? This is evidence.

 

[Chalnoth]

The Genesis 6 flood was global because water always finds its own level & Genesis 6 records that it covered the highest mountains

Anyone see www.RevelationTV.com @ 9/10pm on Thurs when the 2 ace scientists demolished Darwin drivel & substantiated Intelligent Design in many ways?

Just time to post military cloning experiments to show just how 'honourable' scientists are

As if WMD didn't show that aleady


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[SIZE=-1]Ins and outs of 'China-US human cloning experiment' dispute ... ( 6 Messages) India's after joint military maneuver with China ( 13 Messages) ...[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]english.peopledaily.com.cn/200310/29/eng20031029_127132.shtml - Similar pages[/SIZE]


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Darwin drivel makes 'em think human life is worthless - to be discarded at will

Death penalty for murder - Exodus - shows the supreme value God puts on it

Ian

Wow. You've been watching too much science fiction.

 

[Carey]

Seen any news on Iraq lately? Say, in the last three years?

Yers we kill 1000's of the enemy to every one of ours they kill.

We are still there ans can stay as long as we like and there is nothing they can do about it. Except play on our weak politicians and wait for a strong Presidents term to end and hope for a spinless one.

 

[Carey]

I have done enough here.

Any one with common sense and wants to know the truth just reread carefully every post in thi sthread to the end.

The light will come on for you.

See my signature.

May God richly bless you all.

carey

 

[Mumbo]

I have done enough here.

Any one with common sense and wants to know the truth just reread carefully every post in thi sthread to the end.

The light will come on for you.

See my signature.

May God richly bless you all.

carey

Done. Sorry, but I didn't see anything in this thread that I haven't seen before. It's just the usual misplaced distrust of science, except with more and .

 

[Chalnoth]

Yers we kill 1000's of the enemy to every one of ours they kill.

And you think all this death and destruction is a good thing?

We are still there ans can stay as long as we like and there is nothing they can do about it. Except play on our weak politicians and wait for a strong Presidents term to end and hope for a spinless one.

Never mind that our own economy is suffering significantly from the cost of waging this war.

 

[Carey]

I feel I have done enough here.

Anyone with common sense and the incliniation to know the truth can simply carefully reread all the posts and the links provided on this thread and the light should come one.

Or you can PM me.

See my signature....

May God richly bless you all.

carey

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

I feel I have done enough here.

Anyone with common sense and the incliniation to know the truth can simply carefully reread all the posts and the links provided on this thread and the light should come one.

Or you can PM me.

See my signature....

May God richly bless you all.

carey

anyone who is willing to read the scientific evidence for evolution can see how strong and how vast it is. so much so that the only ones who cannot accept it are those who are blinded to it by their faith.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I feel I have done enough here.

Anyone with common sense and the incliniation to know the truth can simply carefully reread all the posts and the links provided on this thread and the light should come one.

Or you can PM me.

See my signature....

May God richly bless you all.

carey

http://foru.ms/t6294592-proof.html&page=49#post40644634

 

[FishFace]

I have done enough here.

Enough to convince us that you're slightly gullible, maybe.

Any one with common sense and wants to know the truth just reread carefully every post in thi sthread to the end.

The light will come on for you.

I suggest you re-read the thread, and see who has presented evidence, and who has presented one or two anecdotes. Then you will see who has their lights on.

 

[LordTimothytheWise]

anyone who is willing to read the scientific evidence for evolution can see how strong and how vast it is. so much so that the only ones who cannot accept it are those who are blinded to it by their faith.

IMO isn't that logic somewhat dangerous.. I mean i know you might equate this to criticizing gravity, but while gravity is an observation, the ideas behind it have changed overtime, and I expect them to change in the future.

In the mind of the posters here it seems evolution means both common descent, and the mechanism of random mutations and natural selection. Although that is already a simplistic understanding of something that has become very complex. Perhaps there is more to molecular mechanisms that we give them credit for.

From a methodology perspective, I do not think it is necessarily healthy to be discouraging disagreement.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

IMO isn't that logic somewhat dangerous.. I mean i know you might equate this to criticizing gravity, but while gravity is an observation, the ideas behind it have changed overtime, and I expect them to change in the future.

They will be refined, certainly, but I doubt the theory of gravity as we know it will be completely refuted.

In the mind of the posters here it seems evolution means both common descent, and the mechanism of random mutations and natural selection.

The majority of evolutionists here, myself included, use the term 'evolution' as a shorthand for Common Descent or for evolution by natural selection (the context determines which). The actual phenomenon of evolution is rarely addressed as such.

The reason for such unscientific terminology is to appease the majority of the Creationists: they are rarely up-to-date with what the scientific consensus is (or even what the evidence is).

Although that is already a simplistic understanding of something that has become very complex. Perhaps there is more to molecular mechanisms that we give them credit for.

Genetics is molecular.

From a methodology perspective, I do not think it is necessarily healthy to be discouraging disagreement.

Naturally. However, outright denial of the evidence and the logical conclusions thereof is not conducive to productive discussions.

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

IMO isn't that logic somewhat dangerous.. I mean i know you might equate this to criticizing gravity, but while gravity is an observation, the ideas behind it have changed overtime, and I expect them to change in the future.

In the mind of the posters here it seems evolution means both common descent, and the mechanism of random mutations and natural selection. Although that is already a simplistic understanding of something that has become very complex. Perhaps there is more to molecular mechanisms that we give them credit for.

From a methodology perspective, I do not think it is necessarily healthy to be discouraging disagreement.

perhapse i should have rephrased. in my experience i have yet to see a creationist/ID proponent/etc who wasnt influenced by a religious perspective. the only ones that i have known to be anti-evolution have an issue with faith.

 

[LordTimothytheWise]

Genetics is molecular.

True, but to simply say "mutation and selection" ignores a lot of molecular mechanisms that increase mutation rates (in e.coli for instance), or gene duplications which appear to be vital to increasing information. Other things are important as well like introns, and crossing over, vertical and horizontal gene transfer. I know you might see those as technicalities, but these details and complexities seem to be pretty vital to our understanding.

Naturally. However, outright denial of the evidence and the logical conclusions thereof is not conducive to productive discussions.

True that. Should I assume encouraging them to come up with better arguments hasn't worked?