The Flood

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I'm also fond of saying that nature is hostile, but obedient to God. There's no gap in logic here [pun intended].

I suppose you are so fond of saying this because the idea that nature is hostile to God is absurd and you have consistently shown yourself to be very fond of saying absurd things. Nature is not hostile to God. One could say that nature is hostile to the literal interpretation of Genesis that you espouse since every examination of nature shows it to be totally false but that is not the same thing as nature being hostile to God.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Cute.

You didn't answer my question.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You didn't answer my question.

Nor is he going to, I suspect.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Nor is he going to, I suspect.

He certainly likes to demand that people address his questions as we can all attest when we get a personally directed post that says "Thaumaturgy, please respond qv post #...." or something to that effect from him.

But since I know he's a good Christian, he'll get around to responding to your post quickly. After all, his lord and savior tells him:

[BIBLE]Luke 6:31[/BIBLE]

 

[AV1611VET]

But we are dealing only with what the Bible says.

The use of the word "son" is not limited to "male offspring."

"Son" can also mean "successor."

As in ---

[bible]Matthew 1:1[/bible]

From answers.com:

1. One's male child.
2. A male descendant.
3. A man considered as if in a relationship of child to parent.
4. One personified or regarded as a male descendant.
5. Used as a familiar form of address for a young man.
6. The second Person of the Trinity.

 

[AV1611VET]

He certainly likes to demand that people address his questions as we can all attest when we get a personally directed post that says "Thaumaturgy, please respond qv post #...." or something to that effect from him.

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[thaumaturgy]

The use of the word "son" is not limited to "male offspring."

"Son" can also mean "successor."

As in ---

[bible]Matthew 1:1[/bible]

From answers.com:

1. One's male child.
2. A male descendant.
3. A man considered as if in a relationship of child to parent.
4. One personified or regarded as a male descendant.
5. Used as a familiar form of address for a young man.
6. The second Person of the Trinity.

Fair enough on the quote from Matthew.

But Daniel 5:2 doesn't call Belshazzar "the son of Nebuchadnezzar", it refers to Nebuchadnezzar as the "father" of Belshazzar.

Can you point to conditions in the Bible where "father" is used as anything but the direct male predecessor?

Of course "father" is used in reference to God quite a bit. But I don't think Danile 5:2 is supposed to indicate that Nebuchadnezzar was Belshazzar's god.

But again, without external information to the contrary, one would assume Belshazzar was born from the union of Nebuchadnezzar and his wife Mrs. Nebuchadnezzar.

It requires additional information to discern the real truth and to let us know that the words of the Bible do not give an accurate enough picture to draw a correct conclusion from.

And that is the main point I was making.

 

[thaumaturgy]

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When someone does't respond to your posts you do request they respond. I will grant that. In that you use "please". But that is still a demand of sorts. You feel strongly enough to bring it up if you are not given a response.

Sorry I used the term "demand" inappropriately. Perhaps "petulantly requests"? "Annoyingly begs"?

So are you going to answer Mr. Goodbytes or are you going to argue over the term "demand"?

 

[AV1611VET]

Fair enough on the quote from Matthew.

But Daniel 5:2 doesn't call Belshazzar "the son of Nebuchadnezzar", it refers to Nebuchadnezzar as the "father" of Belshazzar.

Can you point to conditions in the Bible where "father" is used as anything but the direct male predecessor?

Of course "father" is used in reference to God quite a bit. But I don't think Danile 5:2 is supposed to indicate that Nebuchadnezzar was Belshazzar's god.

But again, without external information to the contrary, one would assume Belshazzar was born from the union of Nebuchadnezzar and his wife Mrs. Nebuchadnezzar.

It requires additional information to discern the real truth and to let us know that the words of the Bible do not give an accurate enough picture to draw a correct conclusion from.

And that is the main point I was making.

You're asking the wrong person this, Thaumaturgy.

You know me well enough that if indeed that's what God is saying - that Nebuchadnezzar is Belshazzar's father - then even a photocopy of Belshazzar's birth certificate stating he is Nabonidus' son is going to sway me.

Where history disagrees with the Bible --- history is wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

When someone does't respond to your posts you do request they respond.

If you notice, two people responded to my post --- then I requested your response because I felt they didn't understand my question, and you would.

I had to ask it three different times before I got a reply --- which I still don't understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

So are you going to answer Mr. Goodbytes or are you going to argue over the term "demand"?

Oh --- and no --- I'm not planning on answering MrGoodBytes' question. He's trying to draw me into a scientific discussion that I can't back with Scripture.

Besides --- I don't know the answer anyway --- it's not documented in the Bible.

 

[NailsII]

Where history disagrees with the Bible --- history is wrong.

I'll assume this is a blanket ban on reason then, so do you disagree with any of the following:

• using antibiotics to treat leprosy (or any condition that could have been diagnosed as leprosy) as the bible explicitly states they should dress in rags, uttering "unclean"
• wearing clothes of mixed fibres is cool
• washing your feet whenever you enter someone's house not required
• shops opening on sundays is te best thing since sliced bread
• tatoos are an insult to god
• meat should not be eaten with blood in it (shame, like a good medium-rare steak myself)
• mediums and spiritualists are evil

or anything else in Leviticus 19, or any holy book for that matter. Do you really follow them all?
Do you really think that your loving god did not have the foresight to tell us not to overpopulate our world or pollute it?
"Though shalt recycle" sure would be useful right now, don't you think?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Oh --- and no --- I'm not planning on answering MrGoodBytes' question. He's trying to draw me into a scientific discussion that I can't back with Scripture.

Besides --- I don't know the answer anyway --- it's not documented in the Bible.

I suppose it would be a waste of time to try to disucss the wealth of information that is not menitoned in the Bible.

 

[Inan3]

Be careful, Inan, these people know how to get under your skin.

Some will search your posts high and low to find one little word to magnify something you say.

Even when you agree with what they're saying.

Ain't that the truth! But herein lies yet another proof of the love of God for them. He loves them through me. I'm sure you understand what I mean. I want to quit lots of times but then I pray and the compassion of God comes over me and I pray for them and their families and I just can't quit. Not yet, anyhow. I know God and want them to know Him, also. So this is what we do AV. We're here for them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ain't that the truth! But herein lies yet another proof of the love of God for them. He loves them through me. I'm sure you understand what I mean. I want to quit lots of times but then I pray and the compassion of God comes over me and I pray for them and their families and I just can't quit. Not yet, anyhow. I know God and want them to know Him, also. So this is what we do AV. We're here for them.

Amen, Inan! God bless you!

 

[Inan3]

Well, apparently he thought it would be better to leave a lot of evidence suggesting that age, without documenting that this evidence is wrong.

Or possibly the method for determining age is flawed.

 

[Blayz]

Ain't that the truth! But herein lies yet another proof of the love of God for them. He loves them through me. I'm sure you understand what I mean. I want to quit lots of times but then I pray and the compassion of God comes over me and I pray for them and their families and I just can't quit. Not yet, anyhow. I know God and want them to know Him, also. So this is what we do AV. We're here for them.

And yet, your presence (and by "your" I mean all the creationists) on this board is one of the things that helps keep me away from God. You are in fact doing satan's work, presenting Xtianity in such a poor light that it engenders nought but ridicule.

Not that it bothers me either way, except it is disappointing that you provide a better argument for being an atheist than I do.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Or possibly the method for determining age is flawed.

Easy to say.

Can you suggest how you, Inan3, lone message board scientist, would be more believable than the countless serious scientists who have actually done the work ?

I hear YEC or Creationists say the method of determining the age is wrong, but yet none of them can explain why the very same science that underlies this can work for things like nuclear medicine, atomic weapons, radiological studies of all sorts.

But it doesn't stop there. Radiometric dating relies on a type of rate modelling called "First Order Kinetics".

The same type of rate modelling can be used not just for radiological issues but also for standard chemical issues. It is a means of calculating how much of a chemical is left over after a certain length of time. It is applicable to figuring out how long some medicines stay active in the body. How long some dangerous pesticides stay active in the environment.

When someone talks about a "half life" it isn't just radioactive decay.

So, if you want to throw out this particular bathwater, how many babies are you throwing out with it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Not that it bothers me either way, except it is disappointing that you provide a better argument for being an atheist than I do.

You can can that line, Blayz --- that's an old one.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Ain't that the truth! But herein lies yet another proof of the love of God for them. He loves them through me. I'm sure you understand what I mean. I want to quit lots of times but then I pray and the compassion of God comes over me and I pray for them and their families and I just can't quit. Not yet, anyhow. I know God and want them to know Him, also. So this is what we do AV. We're here for them.

Do it for the children.