Reports! Reports!

[freeindeed2]

I just learned tonight that we are allowed to view the reports/complaints lodged against those posts that certain posters deem to be against the 'bad' posts. It was quite enlightening, to say the least!

But what really stood out is this: I'm not sure how many different forums there are, probably a couple hundred give or take. Currently almost 30% of the complaints/reports come from the SDA boards!

200,000+ posters...
40 MILLION posts...
6 MILLION+ threads...

...and almost 30% (29.1%) of the reports come from SDA's! While I expected it to be high, I find it to be SAD.

 

[JonMiller]

Is that just people with SDA icon, or all SDAs?

JM

 

[freeindeed2]

Is that just people with SDA icon, or all SDAs?

JM

I don't know, but 76 of the 261 reported posts came from this forum. I don't think they say who reported what. It seems to be anonymous.

 

[NightEternal]

Old news Free.

We discovered this about a month ago.

By far, the most reported have been Ice, Senti, Stormy and myself. I think Woob is gaining fast though.

Would you believe there was even a joke I told that was reported? I kid you not.

Intolerance in all of its ugliness to be sure.

 

[freeindeed2]

Old news Free.

We discovered this about a month ago.

By far, the most reported have been Ice, Senti, Stormy and myself. I think Woob is gaining fast though.

Would you believe there was even a joke I told that was reported? I kid you not.

Intolerance in all of its ugliness to be sure.

Sorry. Thought I was the first to 'discover' that. I guess there really is nothing new under the sun...

 

[OntheDL]

By in large it's because the moderation here is lacking. When I first joined CF, I made a few posts in MJ board, within a few hours they were removed. So I figured I shouldn't waste my time if I was welcome.

But here you see people break rules, flame and virtually nothing was done. So I guess that's why all these reports.

BTW, Freeindeed, by cf rules, about 90% of your posts should not have been allowed to stay. It just shows we are forgotten here.

 

[OntheDL]

In short, if no one breaks the rules or if the rules are prompted inforced, there wouldn't have been that many reports. I thought you should have figured that one.

 

[woobadooba]

By in large it's because the moderation here is lacking. When I first joined CF, I made a few posts in MJ board, within a few hours they were removed. So I figured I shouldn't waste my time if I was welcome.

But here you see people break rules, flame and virtually nothing was done. So I guess that's why all these reports.

BTW, Freeindeed, by cf rules, about 90% of your posts should not have been allowed to stay. It just shows we are forgotten here.

I think they should allow Doc to start moderating in here.

 

[freeindeed2]

By in large it's because the moderation here is lacking. When I first joined CF, I made a few posts in MJ board, within a few hours they were removed. So I figured I shouldn't waste my time if I was welcome.

Why should people not be welcome here? If SDA's really believe they have the 'real' truth, wouldn't they view others coming in here as evangelism?

But here you see people break rules, flame and virtually nothing was done. So I guess that's why all these reports.

It's a huge imbalance though. 30%?

BTW, Freeindeed, by cf rules, about 90% of your posts should not have been allowed to stay. It just shows we are forgotten here.

I figured someone would make that comment, even though I have no membership in any other church and still have membership in the SDA church in good standing and attend semi-regularly. Certainly my perspective has changed, but I find it odd how quickly SDA's are willing to turn on those who dare to venture outside the box of SDAism.

What are SDA's afraid of when people come in here and test the beliefs and doctrines of SDAism? Why delete posts, report posts, kick people out or run people off? I don't attack people personally, and even the most begnin comment I make is considered to be 'flaming' or 'debate' and reported. SDA's already believe they are the one true remant church of God. Why not take the opportunity to try and win back those they believe have left the fold and are lost? Do they not care about these 'lost' souls, or have they already written them off?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Haven't you heard? You're not allowed to breathe, it's against the rules. Someone will interpret it as blasphemy, that you dare imagine you have the same standing as God has to enjoy the intake of AIR. Oh and you're not allowed to be yourself, speak your own mind, share your own experience, indicate your own thoughts and feelings on a subject, because then someone will come along claiming you are "glorifying Satan". Convenient that THEY get to decide your X equals their Y and don't have to deal with the inconvenience of YOU having A FREAKING VOICE and being PERFECTLY FREAKING CAPABLE of defining your OWN terms and explaining YOURSELF -- oh no, that's too messy, might have to look at something we don't wanna see ... might have to consider FACTS we don't want to bother our minds with now that they are already made up ... might have to actually exercise a little freaking COMPASSION and -- GASP, GOD FORBID! -- DISCERNMENT .... ARRRRGGHHHHH!!!!
choromon i'ochoscht tch'nechot! God forbid another's affliction disrupt your delusions, illusions, and personal comfort!! God FORBID you have to hear the TRUTH concerning what BROUGHT them to that estate .... it's too scary to open your eyes so SEW THEM SHUT, SEW THEM SHUT if you don't want to see. tarlasht n'ieletholen t'olocht i'ar varlochten i'ar nekatot! foul reign of the censors, control freaks all who cannot rest until they ANNIHILATE any who discomfit them ... reflections of their own putrid theologies they are!! false witnesses and purveyors of blasphemy who accuse others of blasphemy, mirror people carousing in HATRED, BEATING THEIR FELLOWSERVANTS AND EATING AND DRINKING WITH THE DRUNKEN while they proclaim themselves righteous they are the servants of iniquity, For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Most High be my witness! Rebuke the devourer who goes forth in Your name and vindicate the honest and transparent in this place, who are even Your servants regardless of appearance! AMEN!! For we all know of WHAT sort it is that seeks a pogrom and a death decree. Those who wish to ANNIHILATE OTHERS for their own puny convenience's sake!!!

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

In short and in sum, the reason there are so many REPORT threads -- and so much bickering here -- is because the IMMATURE CONTROL FREAKS simply REFUSE to use the IGNORE option. NO, it's not "good enough" that they can "turn off" a channel they don't want to watch. They want to make sure NO ONE ELSE can turn it on EITHER!!! CONTROL FREAKERY is NOT righteousness and it is NOT OF GOD. NEVER HAS BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE!!!!!!!!! God DESPISES all rotten shepherds, all abusers of position and power, them He abhors!!!

 

[StormyOne]

I just learned tonight that we are allowed to view the reports/complaints lodged against those posts that certain posters deem to be against the 'bad' posts. It was quite enlightening, to say the least!

But what really stood out is this: I'm not sure how many different forums there are, probably a couple hundred give or take. Currently almost 30% of the complaints/reports come from the SDA boards!

200,000+ posters...
40 MILLION posts...
6 MILLION+ threads...

...and almost 30% (29.1%) of the reports come from SDA's! While I expected it to be high, I find it to be SAD.

when I arrived I thought the group here was reflective of what you find in adventism, liberal, moderate, conservative..... it was not... I realized that interaction here would be challenging when I mentioned things like separate conferences (no one had heard about that, or what they heard was vague), missteps that the church has made, and beliefs that didn't make sense (to me). Well quickly the reaction was to demonize me, accuse me of bashing the church, questioning whether I was an adventist, and yes extending the invitation to find another church..... so to me its not surprising that there are a lot of reported posts from here.....

Seems that folks don't want to discuss issues as much as focus on how the church is special because it has "the truth" and others don't, as well as being the "remnant" etc..... that's just my opinion....

 

[SpeakNow]

I think the reason there are so many reports from our forum is because people have learned they can break the rules here and get away with it.

Right now we just have one active moderator.

It's against our current rules for non-Adventists to debate here, but they do it all the time anyway. We can't take matters into our own hands and have to report them.

Right now that isn't doing any good, as people like FreeIndeed2 are well aware of, and take advantage of.

As mostly a lurker (until we get some moderators in here), I can say that an outsider can easily discern who causes problems in here, and who gives a big "amen" to those causing division.

Attitudes are different too, and that's easy to spot as well.

Just so you all know.

 

[longhair75]

As the active moderator, every single report from this forum sends a copy to my PM box. The lax enforcement some of you are concerned about has been caused by a few things, mainly the rule changes after 07/07/07. Before then, the rules were very specific as well as how they were enforced. Now, the rules aren't quite so strict, and it is more difficult for one Moderator to act alone.

Friend Woobadooba said a few posts back that they should let thecountrydoc start moderating, and that will happen very soon. He is in his training period now, and as soon as his training is complete, he will be on staff as your Moderator. After your Sabbath, I will start the next round of elections and hopefully you will elect more SDA Moderators.

Your forum specific rules can address many of the issues you are all concerned about, but for these to work, you need active SDA Moderators who are involved in your processes, as well as cooperation from the forum members.

God Bless,

LH75

 

[Jimlarmore]

By in large it's because the moderation here is lacking. When I first joined CF, I made a few posts in MJ board, within a few hours they were removed. So I figured I shouldn't waste my time if I was welcome.

But here you see people break rules, flame and virtually nothing was done. So I guess that's why all these reports.

BTW, Freeindeed, by cf rules, about 90% of your posts should not have been allowed to stay. It just shows we are forgotten here.

I think maybe this phenomenon is part of the old desire to be a taddle tail. If a post is truely bad and inappropriate it should be reported. For instance on Carm one time I had a responder tell me I had E.G. White up my you know what except he said it using the venacular. I reported him and the phrase was removed. That is the last time I have ever reported anyone on any forum.

I think you are right DL about some of the things that get allowed. Over on internet infidels where I kind of got started they tried to keep the bad language and flaming down but when I left it had gotten completely out of control. There they use out right profanity when they flame you.

Another thought that crossed my mind is the fact that satan is obviously working very hard on the sda forum and very controversial issues are discussed daily. When folks debate/discuss things that are this controversial with passion they say things they shouldn't.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[reddogs]

I think maybe this phenomenon is part of the old desire to be a taddle tail. If a post is truely bad and inappropriate it should be reported. For instance on Carm one time I had a responder tell me I had E.G. White up my you know what except he said it using the venacular. I reported him and the phrase was removed. That is the last time I have ever reported anyone on any forum.

I think you are right DL about some of the things that get allowed. Over on internet infidels where I kind of got started they tried to keep the bad language and flaming down but when I left it had gotten completely out of control. There they use out right profanity when they flame you.

Another thought that crossed my mind is the fact that satan is obviously working very hard on the sda forum and very controversial issues are discussed daily. When folks debate/discuss things that are this controversial with passion they say things they shouldn't.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Yes, many also try to use it as a weapon against others rather than talk with them and see what God can bring to the table. We must work with the good and the bad will slink away.......

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Philippians 4:8

 

[woobadooba]

I think the reason there are so many reports from our forum is because people have learned they can break the rules here and get away with it.

You hit the nail right on the head sister!

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I think Reddogs nailed it actually:

many also try to use it as a weapon against others rather than talk with them and see what God can bring to the table

And apparently they seek to utilize the Wiki and the rule-making process the very same way, to give themselves free reign to dispense whatever judgment suits them to make them not have to examine their precious self-delusions.

The way of the censor is the way of the snivelling guttersnipe coward. God is never honored by either underhandedness OR oppression/suppression/repression. EVER. Such is the same spirit which, NOT trusting Truth to stand upon its own merits, and fearinghonesty, transparency, and free, open inquiry, once engineered the Crusades, the witch-hunts, the pogroms and the stake, who tortured, maimed, slaughtered and burned hundreds of God's faithful in the middle ages, and which ever seeks to resurrect itself anywhere it can under the label "Christian" to deceive and destroy.

 

[woobadooba]

The way of the censor is the way of the snivelling guttersnipe coward. God is never honored by either underhandedness OR oppression/suppression/repression. EVER.

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
(2Co 10:3-6)

Sounds like censorship to me.

 

[SpeakNow]

This site has rules. Some of those rules include censorship of certain topics.

You'll have to take that up with the owner of the site.

For instance, it is against the general rules here that people use inappropriate language or condone/promote drug use.

Now you cannot tell me that all censorship is a bad thing. You also cannot tell me that if someone doesn't like a post, they should just NOT read it. People that visit here are reading posts and if they appear to be promoted as "Adventist" theology, we have a right to speak out about it.