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WWMC/CC Congregation Conflict

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Okay, okay, okay. Everyone just keep it in mind though. This is not going to get better before it gets worse. Put your thinking caps on and lets come up with a solution. There has to be one. I am not one to settle for "There is nothing to be done about this".

What about adding a rule that sets up a precedent for banning a member from CCC if they have persistently caused conflict or disturbed the peace in CCC?

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Can't they ALREADY be banned for repeated trolling (which is what you are describing)?
 
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Well yes I did actually. Why do you ask? :)
tulc(getting more confused) :sorry:
Then our position on the matter should have adequately been addressed already
 
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Can't they ALREADY be banned for repeated trolling (which is what you are describing)?
Yes they have to follow protocol though in getting the Admin of Ecumenical involved
 
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My question is why would Liberals want voting power in Conservative Christians? Second, how could they be members if they are unable to accept our Statement of Belief?

I don't think they do. But we do have a couple of conservatives who like posting over in WWMC and wanted to be members in our forum also. Now I understand not letting us vote here, but why not them? :scratch:
tulc(making another stab at this) :)
 
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I don't think they do. But we do have a couple of conservatives who like posting over in WWMC and wanted to be members in our forum also. Now I understand not letting us vote here, but why not them? :scratch:
tulc(making another stab at this) :)
Plain and simple it is against the rules and please do not come in here attempting to change our rules to accomodate your agenda
 
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I don't think they do.
Some do.

tulc said:
But we do have a couple of conservatives who like posting over in WWMC and wanted to be members in our forum also.
So make your voting open, without a membership roll.

Now I understand not letting us vote here, but why not them?
For us, membership means you agree with the core tenets of conservative christianity, as outlined by the WIKI. It's for posting purposes, voting purposes, rule making purposes, debating purposes, advice purposes ...

So if you're a full member of CC, from our POV, it means you agree with our tenets, and if you're a member of WWMC you must agree with theirs (pro-gay marriage, allowance of pro-choice positions, ambivalent about scriptural authenticity/inspiration, etc etc). If we don't have that rule, we need to devise rules on how to eliminate people from the CC rolls when it becomes obvious they're not conservatives. So, in this regard ... we just do it up front by making them choose. It's not like WWMC doesn't benefit. I've spoken to Joykins and she readily admits WWMC benefits from this as it keeps some of the more vocal CC members from joining the WWMC membership and being pesky. If I'm misrepresented her position, she can easily come here and disabuse me of my notions.

I guess I don't get this "I want my cake, and to eat it to." mentality. If you're a conservative, and you're friendly with the WWMC crowd, that's fine. Why you can't simply accept their choices for their staff, is beyond me.
 
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I guess I don't get this "I want my cake, and to eat it to." mentality.
Because, while the typical liberal statement is that everything is acceptable, the typical liberal belief is that everything is acceptable as long as it's liberal. So, while the conservative view is supposedly "acceptable", they still want to change everything to their way.

Now, for anyone who wants to say, "well conservatives only accept what's conservative", yes, we do - but we'll tell you that up front.
 
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Plain and simple it is against the rules and please do not come in here attempting to change our rules to accomodate your agenda

Agenda? Who said anything about an agenda? :scratch:
tulc(not really organized enough for an agenda) :)
 
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you know, a person leaves for a month on very important business and come back and nothing is the same AGAIN. i ...is...confused. what is going on? where are the debate and discussion forums...where is the NCR and UT forums?

Casi (help me tulc my big brother, i am lost)
 
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For us, membership means you agree with the core tenets of conservative christianity, as outlined by the WIKI. It's for posting purposes, voting purposes, rule making purposes, debating purposes, advice purposes ...

So if you're a full member of CC, from our POV, it means you agree with our tenets, and if you're a member of WWMC you must agree with theirs (pro-gay marriage, allowance of pro-choice positions, ambivalent about scriptural authenticity/inspiration, etc etc). If we don't have that rule, we need to devise rules on how to eliminate people from the CC rolls when it becomes obvious they're not conservatives. So, in this regard ... we just do it up front by making them choose. It's not like WWMC doesn't benefit. I've spoken to Joykins and she readily admits WWMC benefits from this as it keeps some of the more vocal CC members from joining the WWMC membership and being pesky. If I'm misrepresented her position, she can easily come here and disabuse me of my notions.

I guess I don't get this "I want my cake, and to eat it to." mentality. If you're a conservative, and you're friendly with the WWMC crowd, that's fine. Why you can't simply accept their choices for their staff, is beyond me.

Thanks for explaining. :)
tulc(prefers coffee with his cake) ;)
 
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...because they aren't liberal, they're conservative? Think of it like this: you're a person who likes both coffee and tea, and you're on a website that has two forums one for coffee, one for tea. Now the coffee drinkers say "You can be either a coffee drinker or a tea drinker, but no both!" the tea drinkers on the other hand say: "we don't care if you like either coffee or tea, come on in!" the problem isn't that the tea drinkers want to take over the coffee forum they just like having both sides as members. See what I'm saying? :scratch:
tulc(not a tea drinker but doesn't actually have a problem with them) ;)
No it's more like not letting a Democrat vote in the Republican primaries.
 
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I don't think they do. But we do have a couple of conservatives who like posting over in WWMC and wanted to be members in our forum also. Now I understand not letting us vote here, but why not them? :scratch:
tulc(making another stab at this) :)
Perhaps the WWMC could/should make a list of "Guest Posters" for Conservatives that do not have voting rights, but are free to post??? There should be a way for Conservatives who enjoy posting over there (although I personally wouldn't) to be able to post with permission of your board, and without violating the rules of CC as it regards posting and voting???

That way you wouldn't have to be a MEMBER of WWMC to post fellowship and such? (Unless I'm not understanding WWMC's rules -- I haven't been over there to check it out.)

This seems more of a problem with WWMC's lax rules, than CC's voted upon rules, which are there for a good reason...

ADDITION: Members of WWMC on this thread; feel free to copy/paste this post into the WWMC thread if you want -- I think I read there is a thread over there about this as well??? I don't feel like doing it myself, but it might be a good solution, IMHO.
 
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That way you wouldn't have to be a MEMBER of WWMC to post fellowship and such?
The site-wide rules are that fellowship posts can be made anywhere by anybody. If the WWMC has a rule that you must be an official member there just to post, that rule violates the site rules. They can stop non-members from debating, and they can stop non-members from participating in forum government, but they can NOT stop anyone from fellowship posting. Now, I've read their Wiki, and I don't see such a rule in there.
 
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The site-wide rules are that fellowship posts can be made anywhere by anybody. If the WWMC has a rule that you must be an official member there just to post, that rule violates the site rules. They can stop non-members from debating, and they can stop non-members from participating in forum government, but they can NOT stop anyone from fellowship posting. Now, I've read their Wiki, and I don't see such a rule in there.
No, you're right WWMC hasn't any rule to keep anyone from posting, my question was about your rule #3. There was an "honorary-member" idea put forth...would you ban people from being members of your forum if they were honorary members of WWMC? :scratch:
tulc(sort of a "liberal-light") ;)
 
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No it's more like not letting a Democrat vote in the Republican primaries.

Uhmmm no, it's more like not letting a Republican vote in a Republcan primary because they hang out with Democrats once in awhile. :)
tulc(from Chicago, primaries I understand) ;)
 
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No, you're right WWMC hasn't any rule to keep anyone from posting, my question was about your rule #3.
And I wasn't addressing YOUR question, I was addressing Tangeloper's statement.

There was an "honorary-member" idea put forth...would you ban people from being members of your forum if they were honorary members of WWMC? :scratch:
Depends on what an "honorary member" is. What is the difference between a regular member and an "honorary" one?

If it's a totally superficial difference, like between "marriage" and "civil union", then no, I would still vote against such dual-membership.
 
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Uhmmm no, it's more like not letting a Republican vote in a Republcan primary because they hang out with Democrats once in awhile. :)
tulc(from Chicago, primaries I understand) ;)
Not really our rule says you can't be a member of both. Not that you can't post on WWMC occasionally. In the U.S. you cannot be a member of both the Democratic and the Republican National Conventions. Pretty much we are saying the same thing here. We have not told a single member here that they can't visit or post on WWMC.
 
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This is quickly turning into a debate. I do not approve nor do I think the majority of members of CC want any one who claims to be a conservative but is suspiciouisly spending too much time with liberals. We have enough problems with "CF" as a whole already.
 
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