Intelligent Design?

[Fodera]

Everything I have read seems to be against intelligent design... There doesn't seem to be many people in favor of it scientifically. Are there any books out there that make a good case for intelligent design? That or are there any links or videos you know of?

I'd also like to hear your take on intelligent design.

 

[theQuestionist]

Science, by default, cannot accept intelligent design as a conclusion for why the Universe appears the way it does. Science looks into the natural causes for why things are the way they are, it does not even consider supernatural causes.

 

[Smidlee]

Science, by default, cannot accept intelligent design as a conclusion for why the Universe appears the way it does. Science looks into the natural causes for why things are the way they are, it does not even consider supernatural causes .

What is being included in "Supernatural causes" is any intelligence greater than man. As Jesus stated to the Pharisees "is it not written I said, Ye are gods?" Thus the Pharisees didn't have any problem being in the position of gods themselves but hated Jesus for making himself equal with God. Thus the idea there is not knowledge greater than man's is imply into science.
Thus evolution is science dogma and can't be falsified for the other option is complete illegal by definition.
Intelligent design is still very useful to those who looking for truth and does not automatically accept science dogma.

 

[theQuestionist]

What is being included in "Supernatural causes" is any intelligence greater than man. As Jesus stated to the Pharisees "is it not written I said, Ye are gods?" Thus the Pharisees didn't have any problem being in the position of gods themselves but hated Jesus for making himself equal with God. Thus the idea there is not knowledge greater than man's is imply into science.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything? As I mentioned, science looks for the natural causes of things in the Universe. Supernatural explanations are not even considered because they are not scientific. Not sure what the idea of intelligence-chauvanism that you're trying to present has to do with anything....

Thus evolution is science dogma and can't be falsified for the other option is complete illegal by definition.

Woah there champ. The "other option" isn't intelligent design. If anything, it would be another naturalistic explanation for the state of the cosmos.

Evolution is certainly a theory that is open to falsification, as every scientific theory must be. In fact, over the years the theory itself has "evolved" so to speak, as we've corrected some of its original assumptions, and modified its claims to further represent what we see happening in the world.

 

[Smidlee]

Evolution is certainly a theory that is open to falsification, as every scientific theory must be

As many has pointed out that there is no realistic way to falsify Evolution. Even multi-genetic codes made no effect to this dogma. This is why a few scientist has made the statement there is no theory of evolution. There isn't anything to falsify.

 

[theQuestionist]

As many has pointed out that there is no realistic way to falsify Evolution. Even multi-genetic codes made no effect to this dogma. This is why a few scientist has made the statement there is no theory of evolution. There isn't anything to falsify.

The Theory of Evolution transcends nearly all scientific fields. Biology, Chemistry, Psychology, Neurology, etc etc etc.

It's not that the theory isn't falsifiable, it's just that it would be incredibly difficult to falsify it, because it's so well grounded.

 

[Smidlee]

The Theory of Evolution transcends nearly all scientific fields. Biology, Chemistry, Psychology, Neurology, etc etc etc.

the theory is forced by man into these fields. Anytime something new is learned the evolution tag in slapped on it. There is no real test that would falsify the TOE because the engine that produce complex life isn't even known. The faith is that someday some science messiah will find the answers.

 

[theQuestionist]

It theory is forced by man into these fields. Anytime something new is learned the evolution tag in slapped on it. There is no real test that would falsify the TOE because the engine that produce complex life isn't even known.

The engine that produces complex life isn't known? Of course it is. It's evolution (ie...natural selection paired with genetic mutation).

The faith is that someday some science messiah will have the answers.

Huh? I think the exact opposite describes the situation.

Scientists develop theories like the Theory of Evolution to help explain the natural processes we see occuring in our world. The theory is in constant development, and is continually supported and re-examined based on new evidence presented and found. There is no "all-answering messiah" predicted or expected.

It's the ID proporters that have "faith" in the Bible, assuming it already has all the answers. That is the definition of a non-falsifiable theory. Even if you believe in a version of ID that isn't based on biblical teachings, it still isn't falsifiable.

Tell me, how would you test and verify and potentially falsify the idea that the Universe is the result of intelligent design? ID is a purely philosophical standpoint, and isn't the least bit scientific.

 

[Smidlee]

The engine that produces complex life isn't known? Of course it is. It's evolution (ie...natural selection paired with genetic mutation).

Even scientist knows Natural selection (which would work no matter if evolution is true or not) and mutation isn't enough to produce all we see in life.

Huh? I think the exact opposite describes the situation.

the whole problem is it's not that way. Often the data is force into this man-made theory.

 

[theQuestionist]

Even scientist knows Natural selection (which would work no matter if evolution is true or not) and mutation isn't enough to produce all we see in life.
the whole problem is it's not that way. Often the data is force into this man-made theory.

These are both empty assertions.

 

[theIdi0t]

Thus evolution is science dogma and can't be falsified for the other option is complete illegal by definition.
Intelligent design is still very useful to those who looking for truth and does not automatically accept science dogma.

I want you to falsify this:

"The world was created last Thursday, but with the appearance of age: people's memories, history books, fossils, light already on the way from distant stars, and so forth."

The other option for evolution is not last thursdayism, nor is it creationism.

You can falsify evolution, all you need is evidence that proves otherwise, and if the best you got is Dr. Dino and Ken Ham perhaps you need to go back to the drawing board.

 

[notto]

Wis any intelligence greater than man.

No. Any intelligence greater than man for which there is no objective physical evidence.

That is an important clarification and your claims are built on a strawman of science.

Intelligent design simply can't present any physical evidence for their claims of an intelligence greater than man being responsible for what they claim.

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