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Nietzsche's application of nihilism.

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I recently had an argument with someone concerning Nietzsche's nihilistic ideology in the pursuit of the grand scheme. Now, many classify Nietzsche as one of the fathers of modern nihilism. But Nietzsche only used his nihilism in pursuit of defeating the morality and ethicalities that control us now. So in prospect; Nietzsche was not calling for nihilism so much as we was calling for a revolution through nihilism to help usher in order once again.

Does anyone have any thoughts? Im greatly interested in this. Nihilistic action has been mentioned to me a lot the past couple of days, i would like someone to help me understand Nietzsche's nihilism, along with the thesis/anti-thesis of philosophy against nihilism.
 

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I recently had an argument with someone concerning Nietzsche's nihilistic ideology in the pursuit of the grand scheme. Now, many classify Nietzsche as one of the fathers of modern nihilism. But Nietzsche only used his nihilism in pursuit of defeating the morality and ethicalities that control us now. So in prospect; Nietzsche was not calling for nihilism so much as we was calling for a revolution through nihilism to help usher in order once again.

Does anyone have any thoughts? Im greatly interested in this. Nihilistic action has been mentioned to me a lot the past couple of days, i would like someone to help me understand Nietzsche's nihilism, along with the thesis/anti-thesis of philosophy against nihilism.
He basically stole his ideas from Buddhism. The idea behind his nihilism is to strip away the layers until you see the truth.

'Philosophy with a hammer'
 
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He basically stole his ideas from Buddhism. The idea behind his nihilism is to strip away the layers until you see the truth.

'Philosophy with a hammer'
But Nietzsche was a strong supporter of the Dionysus ideology. To steal his ideas from buddhistic theory he would have to have contact with buddhistic interaction, something that Nietzsche lacked considerably. His pursuit for truth, so much as you call it, was not in essence a 'pursuit' of truth more so a revelation that could include any 'false' truths in it still, as long as it was for the better of man.

This still does not answer the question of Nietzsche's nihilistic ideology. There are two conflicting components, one of which is more exemplified than the other.
 
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But Nietzsche was a strong supporter of the Dionysus ideology. To steal his ideas from buddhistic theory he would have to have contact with buddhistic interaction, something that Nietzsche lacked considerably. His pursuit for truth, so much as you call it, was not in essence a 'pursuit' of truth more so a revelation that could include any 'false' truths in it still, as long as it was for the better of man.

This still does not answer the question of Nietzsche's nihilistic ideology. There are two conflicting components, one of which is more exemplified than the other.
Er?? He makes reference to and spends 2-3chapters praising Buddhism in Twilight of the Idols. He shows great knowledge over it when he compares it to christianity and showing its superiority.

You are right about him admitting false ideas can be good. He praised judaism and Islam despite his obvious atheism and in his opening mini-essay 'Problem of Socrates' he attacks reason (and a damn good arguement).

From my understanding, he has certain ideas and opinions about how things should be, but spends most of his time simply destroying the ideologies of others so his only idea to be fleshed out is that by stripping away the layers one could eventually reach the ubermench (essentially the same as enlightened state).
 
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Er?? He makes reference to and spends 2-3chapters praising Buddhism in Twilight of the Idols. He shows great knowledge over it when he compares it to christianity and showing its superiority.

You are right about him admitting false ideas can be good. He praised judaism and Islam despite his obvious atheism and in his opening mini-essay 'Problem of Socrates' he attacks reason (and a damn good arguement).

From my understanding, he has certain ideas and opinions about how things should be, but spends most of his time simply destroying the ideologies of others so his only idea to be fleshed out is that by stripping away the layers one could eventually reach the ubermench (essentially the same as enlightened state).
I see, this is helpful, thanks.
 
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Nietzsche wasn't a nihilist; he despised nihilism, and saw it as the great "thing" to overcome. Arguably, that which he focused his philosophy on most was what he saw as a struggle against nihilism, a view of life which was according to him in many ways a chimera-- modern, scientific, philosophical, and religious in nature.

His philosophy wasn't nihilism as an end or a means, the latter seemingly implied by the OP. His philosophy was a reaction to what he saw as nihilism inherently imbedded in Western civilization, society, and religion, and was, in his eyes, a sort of life-affirming alternative.
 
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I wouldn't quite agree with funyun that Nietzsche didn't think of nihilism as a means; at the least, it was a step along the way to his philosophy. There are sections of "The Will to Power" (which really contains his most sustained discussion of nihilism) in which Nietzsche calls himself a nihilist.

Nietzsche defines nihilism as the result of our values devaluating themselves. Specifically, the high value placed on truthfulness leads to the realization that God and transcendental morality are fictitious interpretations, even though our will to truthfulness itself was derived from them. Nihilism results from this realization when we say that, because our anchor of meaning and value (i.e. God) is lost, all meaning is lost. The madman in section 125 of "The Gay Science" is experiencing the danger of the death of that anchor, and that death must be experienced. That is why at least a small pinch of nihilism is necessary; otherwise, we'd still be living in our moral fantasyland. But, Nietzsche's claim is of course that our response to that dread at the loss of our transcendental anchor ought, in the end, to be one of joy and affirmation. The fact that there are no transcendentally grounded meanings and values can be experienced as a call to create meanings and values.

Also, Nietzsche's no Buddhist. If anything, I'd say he's the direct opposite. Saying that it is superior to Christianity is really not very high praise coming from the Anti-Christian.
 
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I wouldn't quite agree with funyun that Nietzsche didn't think of nihilism as a means; at the least, it was a step along the way to his philosophy. There are sections of "The Will to Power" (which really contains his most sustained discussion of nihilism) in which Nietzsche calls himself a nihilist.

Nietzsche defines nihilism as the result of our values devaluating themselves. Specifically, the high value placed on truthfulness leads to the realization that God and transcendental morality are fictitious interpretations, even though our will to truthfulness itself was derived from them. Nihilism results from this realization when we say that, because our anchor of meaning and value (i.e. God) is lost, all meaning is lost. The madman in section 125 of "The Gay Science" is experiencing the danger of the death of that anchor, and that death must be experienced. That is why at least a small pinch of nihilism is necessary; otherwise, we'd still be living in our moral fantasyland. But, Nietzsche's claim is of course that our response to that dread at the loss of our transcendental anchor ought, in the end, to be one of joy and affirmation. The fact that there are no transcendentally grounded meanings and values can be experienced as a call to create meanings and values.

Also, Nietzsche's no Buddhist. If anything, I'd say he's the direct opposite. Saying that it is superior to Christianity is really not very high praise coming from the Anti-Christian.
Brilliant, this is exactly what i was looking for. Thank you very much.
 
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I wouldn't quite agree with funyun that Nietzsche didn't think of nihilism as a means; at the least, it was a step along the way to his philosophy. There are sections of "The Will to Power" (which really contains his most sustained discussion of nihilism) in which Nietzsche calls himself a nihilist.

"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion."
--Francis Bacon

Nietzsche's view on nihilism is essentially this quote, replacing "atheism" with "nihilism" and "religion" with "will to life". He recognized the inescapable ontological and cosmological conclusions of nihilism, but sought to construct, from the ground up, a counter philosophy to guard against what he saw as the ethical and moral inevitabilities stemming from an unsophisticated understanding of it. Essentially his Ubermensch is a being who knows the world as it truly is with the veil of "God" stripped away, but who does not wholly accept it, and strives to cope and create their own meaning.

You're obviously correct that nihilism is a "step on the way to his philosophy", but that this has a different meaning entirely from calling it a "means", or "acting through nihilism", as the OP states. A "means" implies he meant to "use" nihilism for some end. Now I'm not sure what exactly that would mean or how it would be applied, and perhaps you can find some examples to prove me wrong, but I seriously doubt he would advocate or practice that. In fact I think, without the aegis of his own philosophy, he would see that as potentially corrupting, and would lead down the road towards one becoming letzte mensche. In addition, one does not need to "act through" nihilism in order to reach Nietzsche's greener grass. One must only be aware of it. Essentially, his philosophy towards nihilism itself is one of knowledge, not action. The action is reserved for the response, a reaction to nihilism.

Nietzsche defines nihilism as the result of our values devaluating themselves. Specifically, the high value placed on truthfulness leads to the realization that God and transcendental morality are fictitious interpretations, even though our will to truthfulness itself was derived from them. Nihilism results from this realization when we say that, because our anchor of meaning and value (i.e. God) is lost, all meaning is lost. The madman in section 125 of "The Gay Science" is experiencing the danger of the death of that anchor, and that death must be experienced. That is why at least a small pinch of nihilism is necessary; otherwise, we'd still be living in our moral fantasyland. But, Nietzsche's claim is of course that our response to that dread at the loss of our transcendental anchor ought, in the end, to be one of joy and affirmation. The fact that there are no transcendentally grounded meanings and values can be experienced as a call to create meanings and values.

This is spot on, though I'd make it clear that "God", as Nietzsche defined it within the context you are using, meant more than a bearded man in the sky with is omniscient, omnipotent, and allows for redemption or damnation. Rather, "God" is a synthesis of several concepts: most notably in addition to the aformentioned conceptualization, an idealization of submission and protection, of tradition and oligarchical or monopolized mysticism and power, the ancient human attraction to elusive Power Which Rules, that which hands down edicts from on high, to be obeyed, but is, ultimately, unknowable and so intellectually silencing. I think "anchor" as you put it, is an excellent word for it. This is, of course, just the tip of the iceberg as to what Nietzsche meant. When he uses the word "God", he fully intends to draw out every drop of connotation and subconcious definition he can muster-- he is referring to a very vague, primal, and instinctive human abstraction.

Also, Nietzsche's no Buddhist. If anything, I'd say he's the direct opposite. Saying that it is superior to Christianity is really not very high praise coming from the Anti-Christian.

I think the relationship between Nietzsche and Buddhism is so much more complicated than that. In fact, to me, the comparisons and contrasts between the two is one of the most interesting topics related to either.

Certainly there's a lot of broad metaphysical similarities: Nietzsche's Ubermensch as a sort of "enlightened" man and the extreme emphasis on this placed within both philosophies, infinite recurrence, and a basic pattern of ignoring god as a relevant philosophical question. To me, Siddharta was a direct predecessor to Nietzsche in that he basically made the latter's famous claim "God is dead", less succinctly, but much earlier. Siddharta's observation was less culturally-motivated and more spiritually-motivated, however, it is for all practical purposes, the same observation. I mean, tell me Buddhism isn't an existentialist philosophy; it's probably the first formal systematic interpretation of existentialism.

That said, the conclusions are very different. There can be no doubt that Nietzsche, while he might agree with the ethical purposes of karma, would ultimately label it nihilistic, in his eyes barely if at all different from the Christian concept of afterlife. And of course, there's very little "will to" anything in Buddhism, which makes sense, considering Buddhism's main focus is on the next life, or the betterment of the eternal soul, rather than the betterment of the world, the mortal self, or the present. In fact, in lots of ways Buddhism is all about overcoming the will. However, I tend to seperate Siddharta from Buddhism per se, as I believe Siddharta was quite the Ubermensch, and in many ways radically different from Buddhism, even traditional Tibetan Buddhism, as has been practiced for centuries.
 
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I agree with you completely on everything but the Buddhism part, funyun.

As for Buddhism, Nietzsche almost without exception calls it a form of nihilism (especially in the Will to Power). Their metaphysics, insofar as neither Nietzsche nor the Buddha seemed to believe in God or free wil, are admittedly somewhat similar. But, the main point of Buddhism is that life is dukkha (suffering, or thwarted desire) and the Buddha knows a way to get out of it. There are other things going on, sure, but this is ground zero. Nietzsche would largely agree that life is dukkha; but the point is that trying therefore to abolish dukkha in any way is a revolt against life, and therefore a symptom of good ol' fashioned physiological sickness. What we must learn to do is affirm this life, and continue creating values even though we know they will not be eternal. This is what the Uebermensch does, whereas the enlightened man merely experiences nirvana, a word which literally means something like the point at which a flame is blown out. Poof. No more. Hence Buddhism is centrally a will to nothingness.

What distinction are you making between Buddhism and the Buddha?
 
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Their metaphysics, insofar as neither Nietzsche nor the Buddha seemed to believe in God or free wil, are admittedly somewhat similar.

You should do a google on Buddhism and free will. Several sites claim that the Buddha believed in at least some degree of free will, and that not everything is determined by karma.

Perhaps they are mistaken, but it seems that there is some controversy there.


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I agree with you completely on everything but the Buddhism part, funyun.

As for Buddhism, Nietzsche almost without exception calls it a form of nihilism (especially in the Will to Power). Their metaphysics, insofar as neither Nietzsche nor the Buddha seemed to believe in God or free wil, are admittedly somewhat similar. But, the main point of Buddhism is that life is dukkha (suffering, or thwarted desire) and the Buddha knows a way to get out of it. There are other things going on, sure, but this is ground zero. Nietzsche would largely agree that life is dukkha; but the point is that trying therefore to abolish dukkha in any way is a revolt against life, and therefore a symptom of good ol' fashioned physiological sickness. What we must learn to do is affirm this life, and continue creating values even though we know they will not be eternal. This is what the Ubermensch does, whereas the enlightened man merely experiences nirvana, a word which literally means something like the point at which a flame is blown out. Poof. No more. Hence Buddhism is centrally a will to nothingness.

I guess I'm a bit of an oddball, but I see the discussion of the differences between Nietzsche and Siddharta as very similar to that of the differences between Epicurus and the Stoic Zeno. Like the latter pair, I find the unique synthesis of both fascinating.

But I digress. I completely agree that Nietzsche was no Buddhist. There's a pervasive myth that he held Buddhism in so lofty esteem, which I think is oversimplified. But I think saying they're complete opposites is just as oversimplified.

I'm simply saying that both Nietzsche and Siddharta belonged to the same general school of thought, but diverged with relation to further questioning. Foremost, for me, however, is their kindred nature with respect to the statement "God is dead". I believe, once you strip away the historical and cultural contexts regarding when and where they lived, they are completely and entirely on the same page with regards to what this statement means. I really believe Nietzsche was in this sense reincarnating this early and fundamental part of Siddharta's philosophy, though I'm quite sure he came to it independently. Since this point is the watershed starting point for both philosophies, and is utterly intertwined with everything that followed after in their respective lines of thought, I personally see this as a major noteworthy consistency between them.

I see this as all the more important considering I believe this is a realization virtually beyond most other philosophies-- they both grasped something few, if any, others had. Not mundane atheism, as it is often attributed, but a fundamental truth far beyond that. Siddharta and Nietzsche are, for me, the yin and yang of this higher philosophy. But yes, I will grant you, when you get to the severe iterations of their arguments, they have very different things to say, as you would expect of the yin and yang. Pretty much, it boils down to a different perspective on what enlightenment, or transcendence (whatever you want to call it), means, and how it's attained.

Where they depart company is their methods of grappling with, and overcoming this truth. That to overcome is next step for both is an important thing to note: the differences lie entirely in their methods. Buddhism integrates this concept of overcoming; it is just as much a struggle, but it ends up with a unifying enlightenment which essentially has an end. This is achieved by purging oneself in a manner, and thus ultimately expunging the will entirely, at the final peak of understanding (I'm not sure what you mean by "nothingness" in "will to nothingness", but nirvana basically means extinguishing, as in an extinguishing of desire, or as relevant to this conversation, of the will. I'm not sure what relation that would have to "nothingness", but yes, I certainly agree at this point they are traveling in polar opposite directions).

Nietzsche, contrawise, has no end. The struggle of the Ubermensch is a continuous one, and so there is no ultimate achievement. There is just recognition and action. Through willful recognition and action the means become the end and the will is propogated.

I don't think, all things considered, the differences are any bigger than those between Nietzsche and another with whom he is often mentioned in tandem: Kierkegaard. As with all related philosophies, the differences become more and more apparent the deeper you go. Therefore I'd say they are sister schools, which are opposites only insomuch as that they arrive at opposite conclusions to the same exclusive line of thought. I'd save the word "opposite" for a philosophy which argues God is not dead. That's a more fundamental disagreement.

What distinction are you making between Buddhism and the Buddha?

I don't have time to go into detail with this right now, but if you want I can later.

His teachings in the Kalama Sutta have gone virually ignored and thus modern Buddhism has fallen victim to what it is fundamentally not: an organized religion. It is in truth neither, and makes no sense as such.

Also, the nature of Siddharta himself is important. That is, Siddharta was a lone explorer who individually came to understand a great truth. In other words, he forged his own values. While on this journey he essentially became the model Ubermensch, and his story is basically tit for tat Nietzsche's model for one's progression towards Ubermnesch: the immoral man, the free thinking man, and finally the over man.
 
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Perhaps my characterization of them as "opposites" was a bit hasty. And really, the more I study philosophy, the more I realize that two philosophies set up as opposites are usually revealed to be the most closely related. I have no real substantial disagreement with anything you've said, only with differences of emphasis. Ultimately, I agree that the relationship between Buddhism and Nietzsche is an interesting one; they've generally been the two schools of thought that I've felt get the most right. And, I think that Buddhist enlightenment (and Nietzschean uebermensch, for that manner) are probably not well enough understood to be able to set them up as an opposition, or to equate them. I just think that the opposition between the will to nothingness and affirmation is the most important one, and that's why I see them as opposites. Perhaps that's because I'm far too much a Nietzsche fanboy. Crazier things have entered my mind :) But seriously, that is the most important point for Nietzsche, and so from his perspective he might well say that Buddhism is the opposite of his teaching.

You are probably correct about the difference between Buddhism and the Buddha, and really that is probably the case for all major movements. The founder is far more of an independent thinker and great person than his/her followers. This was quite true of Plato and Platonism, and Christ and Christianity (cf. Nietzsche's statement that "there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross").
 
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Perhaps my characterization of them as "opposites" was a bit hasty. And really, the more I study philosophy, the more I realize that two philosophies set up as opposites are usually revealed to be the most closely related. I have no real substantial disagreement with anything you've said, only with differences of emphasis. Ultimately, I agree that the relationship between Buddhism and Nietzsche is an interesting one; they've generally been the two schools of thought that I've felt get the most right. And, I think that Buddhist enlightenment (and Nietzschean uebermensch, for that manner) are probably not well enough understood to be able to set them up as an opposition, or to equate them. I just think that the opposition between the will to nothingness and affirmation is the most important one, and that's why I see them as opposites. Perhaps that's because I'm far too much a Nietzsche fanboy. Crazier things have entered my mind :) But seriously, that is the most important point for Nietzsche, and so from his perspective he might well say that Buddhism is the opposite of his teaching.

Yes, I will concede Nietzsche himself would probably consider Siddharta's philosophy as starkly opposing his own, and that he would view what he saw as its inherent nihilism overruling all other considerations of comparison.

However, with hindsight I think we can look at the relationship between the two more objectively than he could. Being an analytical being, I just have to classify things from left to right, from top to bottom, by homology not analogy. Therefore, for me, the relationship between the two is that of a branching stem on a tree that is wider philosophy. The point of divergence between them is their methods of "enlightenment", but their point of united branching from the larger trunk is their (as I perceive it, shared) starting revelation.

Similar is the relationship between what's called "modern liberalism" and what's called "libertarianism". They share a historical origin, but disagree on further points, generally economics, etc etc. But even if a libertarian may agree with a conservative on a certain point, the definitive relationship between libertarianism and liberalism is, in my mind, the one from which they both exclusively diverge from other movements.

You are probably correct about the difference between Buddhism and the Buddha, and really that is probably the case for all major movements. The founder is far more of an independent thinker and great person than his/her followers. This was quite true of Plato and Platonism, and Christ and Christianity (cf. Nietzsche's statement that "there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross").

Yes, it's not a sophisticated or novel objection, but I think it's relevant. I mean, of all the philsophers who ever lived (philosopher being defined in a rather strict sense of the word), he's probably had the biggest impact with regards to organized movements (others come close, like Confucius, but his influence is more dispersed and integrated). The sheer size and influence sets him apart from others with organized movements like, say, Pythagoras, Rand, even Marx. In addition, as a spiritual philosophy that has been usurped by an overtly religious intent, it has had especial vulnerability with regards to being warped away from what it originally was.

Not that I have any real problem per se with modern Buddhism, Theraveda, Mahayana, or Tibetan. They all have their own unique flavors of cultural and historical importance, and I'm quite fond of them, really. They're just not the same thing as Siddharta's philosophy.
 
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Not that I have any real problem per se with modern Buddhism, Theraveda, Mahayana, or Tibetan. They all have their own unique flavors of cultural and historical importance, and I'm quite fond of them, really. They're just not the same thing as Siddharta's philosophy.

As a follower of Thervadan (mostly) Buddhism, I can tell you that Buddhism shouldn't be the same as it was taught under Siddhartha. The concept of Vibhajjavada, the use of analysis as a critical tool for insight promotes change within the philosophy itself.

In Majjhima Nikaya Ganakamoggalaha Sutta 107.3 the Buddha states, “It is possible, Brahmin, to describe gradual training, gradual practice, and gradual progress in this Dhamma and Disciplne.”

We shouldn't expect to see Buddhist teachings remain stagnant in the face of scientific advancements, cultural evolution, and centuries of theoretical progress and experience.



His teachings in the Kalama Sutta have gone virually ignored and thus modern Buddhism has fallen victim to what it is fundamentally not: an organized religion. It is in truth neither, and makes no sense as such.

This is ironic, as in the Kalama Sutta the Buddha clearly states that although teachings of the wise and of monks should be heeded, they should not be blindly accepted on that basis alone. Most Buddhist schools of thought heed these teachings and apply them, hence the teaching of Vibhajjavada, as well as meditation, teaching, reading, experience, etc.

As to what Nietzche felt about Buddhism, I would say that Nietzche and Buddhism have a lot of similarities in regard to phenemology, and some metaphysics but when ethics are concerned, they are essentially opposites.
 
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Nietzsche's ideas on nihilism were profound, albeit a little scattered (they're primarily found in his Will to Power, which is, as you probably know, a book made up of journal entries made the last few years of his sane life). In addition to what nadroj is saying, nihilism also happens when ideals become so detached from daily life that they ultimately are unattainable and therefore practically useless. Think of the Christendom that limits all happiness to the afterlife, and thus involves the resignation of all happiness forms in this life in preparation for the next. Well, such a way of thinking makes this life nihilistic -- life has no meaning in relation to now; and that it will have meaning in a future life is too grand a leap to make in order to push off meaning until then. The cure for this form, of course, are ideals that can be approached in this life, that bring fruit without negating importance of one's life as he lives it in the present.
 
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It would be interesting, you know, if Nietzsche had actually read Kierkegaard -- i.e., the philosopher who posited a world of meaning based primarily in man's relation to God in the present. What really separates theistic and atheistic existentialists, I'd think, is that the former believe that meaning is handed down from God, while the latter believe that meaning is created (through the reflection of one's values, this too being a creation that starts, as Nietzsche has said, in esteeming). Pragmatically, there is no difference.
 
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I recently had an argument with someone concerning Nietzsche's nihilistic ideology in the pursuit of the grand scheme. Now, many classify Nietzsche as one of the fathers of modern nihilism. But Nietzsche only used his nihilism in pursuit of defeating the morality and ethicalities that control us now. So in prospect; Nietzsche was not calling for nihilism so much as we was calling for a revolution through nihilism to help usher in order once again.

Does anyone have any thoughts? Im greatly interested in this. Nihilistic action has been mentioned to me a lot the past couple of days, i would like someone to help me understand Nietzsche's nihilism, along with the thesis/anti-thesis of philosophy against nihilism.
look at the show Crib's or life styles of the rich and famous ... people without a clue , with money ...
lights on and no one is home ... just the same as Nitche's idea ... the father of socialism which does not work either ...
 
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It would be interesting, you know, if Nietzsche had actually read Kierkegaard -- i.e., the philosopher who posited a world of meaning based primarily in man's relation to God in the present. What really separates theistic and atheistic existentialists, I'd think, is that the former believe that meaning is handed down from God, while the latter believe that meaning is created (through the reflection of one's values, this too being a creation that starts, as Nietzsche has said, in esteeming). Pragmatically, there is no difference.
Probably not. Kierkegaard didn't get translated for a very long time.

Besides, despite the fact that he was a brilliant thinker, Kierkegaard was ultimately flawed, because he slips back into faith in the unknowable out of fear for the void that Nietzsche describes.

I don't think Nietzsche was a Nihilist because he advocated living life without meaning, he was a Nihilist because he believed that at the end of all man's inquiry was an unending void of uncertainty.

The theme for Sartre's novel, 'Nausea' was lifted straight out of a section of Nietzsche's Prose. I don't think any man who describes Nihilism as Nauseating likes the idea of a world without meaning.

And yes, some people don't only believe things because they want them to be true, but because they want to know the truth. I know that's hard to understand for the majority of religious people.
 
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