Let's talk! About the new vision for CF!

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I know alot of people seem to be sold on this new improved version of CF, but I'm not convinced it is for the best. Personally, I like the idea of the faith icons -- it helps to give a clue to where a person is coming from with their ideas and/or statements. If you no longer have to declare how will we be able to keep debates in the Parish to ONLY those from the Wesley traditions?

I don't like the idea of being attacked in my own "home" either, but under the new "rules" just how will that be preventable?
I was thinking the same thing...although I was unsure if he meant that faith icons would be gone altogether or what it's going to be. I personally like to see the icons, too, even though some-like mine even though I attend a U.M. church-may be only the genaric Christian icon.
 
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The threads have been merged.

I like the faith icons too, if only because I see being methodist as part of my identity. I would keep mine (if able) based on that alone. OTOH I understand about having a generic icon. And frankly, there are other denominations that share some of our beliefs. For example, I don't have a problem with someone from a pentecostal holiness church talking about holiness in our forums, after all their church grew out of the Wesleyan tradition. I just don't want anyone coming in here to tell us that our core beliefs are wrong. So maybe to that end we need to further define and list out what makes us Wesleyan (in a broad sense), so that people will understand when they come in what is not up for debate.

Honestly, I've been thinking that the new rules will mean more work for the mods. We will put whatever rules in place...sooner or later someone will break them and the mods will have to respond. And, because the mods are volunteers, a thread or post in violation may sit for awhile before it can be addressed. I think we are all going to have to do a good job of reporting and ignoring.
 
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Just to attempt to answer a few questions - and please, anyone correct me if I'm wrong or misinterpreting the new 'rules'.

No, we can stop debating from non-Wesleyan folks if we choose to do so, by saying our board rules state no outside debate. Basically, as I understand it, we write our own rules for WP (Wesley's Parish).

It is possible to have an atheist mod here, but very unlikely. You have to have 100 posts in order to vote on mods, and it's my understanding (last time I looked) that staff will nominate those they think would do a good job - I'll go look up some clarification on that tonight after work. Stay tuned!
 
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I have no idea about the faith icon thing. I thought Erwin's post indicated that there would no longer be a need for them, but then again if each area makes their own rules....
no, some have misunderstood or misread what erwin had written. he never said he was getting rid of the faith icons. what he said was that people would be in control of their own faith icons from now on. (you used to have to pm an admin in order to change your faith icon..now you can change it yourself any time you want)
 
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Is it possible to have a "Debates" section here in WP so that those who wish to debate can do so while still allowing those who come here only for friendly fellowship to still feel protected?
i have no problem with that..how bout everyone else? we can make a debate subforum in WP ??
 
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I know alot of people seem to be sold on this new improved version of CF, but I'm not convinced it is for the best. Personally, I like the idea of the faith icons -- it helps to give a clue to where a person is coming from with their ideas and/or statements. If you no longer have to declare how will we be able to keep debates in the Parish to ONLY those from the Wesley traditions?

I don't like the idea of being attacked in my own "home" either, but under the new "rules" just how will that be preventable?
we will still have faith icons, they arent being taken away. As well as not being attacked..dont worry..we are putting up a no debating rule in our main WP section so we won't be attacked!
 
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no, some have misunderstood or misread what erwin had written. he never said he was getting rid of the faith icons. what he said was that people would be in control of their own faith icons from now on. (you used to have to pm an admin in order to change your faith icon..now you can change it yourself any time you want)

Which opens it up to a whole new path of mis-use and abuse. If you can change your icon any time you want what is to stop a person form changing their icon daily, hourly, threadly in order to post in a thread or pose as something they are not? If the icons can be changed on a whim what useful purpose will they serve?
 
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Just to attempt to answer a few questions - and please, anyone correct me if I'm wrong or misinterpreting the new 'rules'.

No, we can stop debating from non-Wesleyan folks if we choose to do so, by saying our board rules state no outside debate. Basically, as I understand it, we write our own rules for WP (Wesley's Parish).

It is possible to have an atheist mod here, but very unlikely. You have to have 100 posts in order to vote on mods, and it's my understanding (last time I looked) that staff will nominate those they think would do a good job - I'll go look up some clarification on that tonight after work. Stay tuned!
from what erwin wrote..in order to be a mod you must have 100 posts and you must be nominated by a current mod, then after that you have to get voted in by your forum peers and only those in the forum with alteast 100 posts can even vote (which stops people from creating sock accounts just for voting purposes).
 
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why would 3 atheists be members of wesleys parish??
For the same reasons atheist used to go into the old AOL religion chats --to cause problems, to raise doubts, to make themselves feel secure in their non-beliefs by tearing down the beliefs of others. I'm not saying all atheist are like this, but there are some with a clear agenda of doing away with all religions and they will use any forum to do it.
 
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Which opens it up to a whole new path of mis-use and abuse. If you can change your icon any time you want what is to stop a person form changing their icon daily, hourly, threadly in order to post in a thread or pose as something they are not? If the icons can be changed on a whim what useful purpose will they serve?
For years we were able to change our icons on our own..its only been less than a year since they started making you pm and admin to change it..they are just changing it back. your right..people can abuse it. BUT..overall i guess ya gotta see that we are adults and should be able to be trusted to be honest. yes..there are those that won't be honest, but they wont get away with much. i mean if i change to a baptist icon tomorrow and go vote in their forum..i think they would question me. Not only that but thats why CaDan is going around to all the congregational forums suggesting weighted voting...meaning for every post you have in a forum..thats how many votes you get. So even if i went and made 3 posts in the Baptist forum..ya i could have 3 votes..but people that have been there for years would get 1,000 votes and 3,000 votes each. So my 3 measly votes would mean NOTHING..so i AGREE with weighted voting..IF we have an easy way of finding out how many posts each voter has in the forum!
 
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Which opens it up to a whole new path of mis-use and abuse. If you can change your icon any time you want what is to stop a person form changing their icon daily, hourly, threadly in order to post in a thread or pose as something they are not? If the icons can be changed on a whim what useful purpose will they serve?
Which is why, I think, we need to spell out what it is we believe. An icon may or may not be an accurate reflection of one's beliefs, but their words surely will be.
 
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For the same reasons atheist used to go into the old AOL religion chats --to cause problems, to raise doubts, to make themselves feel secure in their non-beliefs by tearing down the beliefs of others. I'm not saying all atheist are like this, but there are some with a clear agenda of doing away with all religions and they will use any forum to do it.
it isnt going to be a problem here. We will make a no debating rule, so they can't debate. As far as votes go..if we do weighted voting..the atheists wont have much votes since as of now they have exactly ZERO posts here in WP!

WE now have control of this forum..this is a GOOD thing and will protect us even more ...dont worry.
 
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All in all I find this whole situation confusing -- on the one hand we have Erwin basically doing away with certain rules and guidelines. Ont he other hand we have denominatinal forums who can now create "rules" to protect their members. What if the "rules" enacted by an individual forum conflict with the general openness of the site as a whole? It seems to me that instead of creating an atmosphere where unity is possible we will quite possibly descend to the middle school clique mentality. How can "everything be open to everyone" but "forums can create rules to exclude debate from those with outside beleifs or no beliefs at all"?

It seems that there are too many contradictions and loopholes for things to work -- even if we are "all adults".
 
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So I agree, allow questions from all but debate only amongst ourselves. Possibly have a special section that is just for debating with those who want to debate but are not members? Or would we even want that at all?

As has been done before, people can always start a thread for wider ranging debate elsewhere in the forum and provide a link to it. That would allow for others to debate the idea. But there are somethings, I think might be good to keep just within the family -- I'm thinking of General Conference debates next year. Would a non-Methodist (apologies to our Nazarene brothers who are also here) even understand the issues that might be important to us?

I know that I am very new to this forum, but I can attest that this corner of it is among the quietest and most friendly internet discussion sites I have ever found. I like having a refuge like this. Still good discussion, but little animosity.
 
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