New CF - finally...

[MelzluvsJesus]

I don't know, but in the new CF, at least there will not be anymore witch hunts!

Lisa

from your lips to God's ear!

 

[meant4worship]

Wow... thanks and good bye. Just because a person calls themselves a christian doesn't make them one. A husband can be in church, raise his hands and praise the Lord and be cheating on his wife. He is not a christian. His life doesn't bear fruit of a christian. If it isn't Biblically correct, I want no part of it. It was great while it lasted.

God bless you!

 

[MelzluvsJesus]

Wow... thanks and good bye. Just because a person calls themselves a christian doesn't make them one. A husband can be in church, raise his hands and praise the Lord and be cheating on his wife. He is not a christian. His life doesn't bear fruit of a christian. If it isn't Biblically correct, I want no part of it. It was great while it lasted.

God bless you!

wow. this is so sad..ERWIN. do you see that you sold out?

 

[Vote_For_Pedro]

The Tower of Babel: Unity without TRUTH
God judged it.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Wow... thanks and good bye. Just because a person calls themselves a christian doesn't make them one. A husband can be in church, raise his hands and praise the Lord and be cheating on his wife. He is not a christian. His life doesn't bear fruit of a christian. If it isn't Biblically correct, I want no part of it. It was great while it lasted.

God bless you!

But don't you see that being a part of this fellowship can actually HELP him to become a better Christian?

No guarantees, but we should at least be available to witness to the Living God.

I think Erwin's vision is right in line with the Gospel. Let's give it a chance!

 

[ChaliceThunder]

The Tower of Babel: Unity without TRUTH
God judged it.

NO - because the people of Babel said: Let us build a proud tower to ourselves that will reach to heaven.

That is not Erwin's vision at all. So I think your analogy fails, in all honesty and charity.

 

[Vote_For_Pedro]

NO - because the people of Babel said: Let us build a proud tower to ourselves that will reach to heaven.

That is not Erwin's vision at all. So I think your analogy fails, in all honesty and charity.

Old Erwin knew what a cult was
Now anyone who thinks he is a Christian is one for CF purposes.

 

[meant4worship]

But don't you see that being a part of this fellowship can actually HELP him to become a better Christian?

No guarantees, but we should at least be available to witness to the Living God.

I think Erwin's vision is right in line with the Gospel. Let's give it a chance!

Not if the believers are not allowed to correct and reprove....

This is just another device of the enemy to confuse the body.... I want no part of it. I wish Erwin would rethink this and go back to the prayer closet.... This is not a Biblical precept!

 

[JimfromOhio]

Wow... thanks and good bye. Just because a person calls themselves a christian doesn't make them one. A husband can be in church, raise his hands and praise the Lord and be cheating on his wife. He is not a christian. His life doesn't bear fruit of a christian. If it isn't Biblically correct, I want no part of it. It was great while it lasted.

God bless you!

As Christian believers (assuming each of us are a believer), the Holy Spirit will lead each of us to the truth. Truth is often prevented if Christianity is known as a legalistic system which cause a delusion of eternal life. The idea that Jesus Christ has absolute and final authority over all of us in every detail of our lives is simply regardless of legalistic control by some evangelical Christians. Martin Lloyd-Jones, one of my favorite theologians said: "It is perilously close to being sinful for any person to learn doctrine for doctrine's sake."

 

[JimfromOhio]

Old Erwin knew what a cult was
Now anyone who thinks he is a Christian is one for CF purposes.

This sounds familiar and I know this is a "sock" username.

 

[Vote_For_Pedro]

Martin Lloyd-Jones, one of my favorite theologians said: "It is perilously close to being sinful for any person to learn doctrine for doctrine's sake."

Ya think MLJ would say anyone who thinks he is a Christian is one?\

Spirit AND Truth
that is what the Father is looking for

 

[Thing]

Heh.

It's amazing how pervasive tribalism is.

Them and us.

It's funny.

I always thought that the message of Christianity was also that we are all in the same boat, all worthy of fellowship and compassion, especially those we would count as enemies.

I always thought that the message of Christianity was that nobody's that much better than anyone else; that we're all flawed creatures doing the best we can.

I always thought that the message of Christianity was that extending the hand of friendship and a welcome in your home to tax-collectors, prostitutes and the like was the right thing to do; that this gratuitous fellowship and refusal to exclude people was the whole point.

I always thought the message of Christianity was that altruism was more powerful than evil, that it simply worked better; that love was the universal solvent.

And so, get a bunch of particularly devout Christians together in a place like this, and look what happens.

They build fences to forcibly separate 'them' from 'us'. They worry that they will be contaminated or dragged down by walking among those outside their group. They hoard their friendship and welcome among themselves, refusing to waste it on others, as though they might somehow run out of the stuff. And they simply do not trust that their way works better, shielding themselves from the 'wolves' of other beliefs and hostility, lest it overpower love.

And people wonder why I'm a cynic.

 

[Vote_For_Pedro]

This sounds familiar and I know this is a "sock" username.

drstevej here. but I think I am Vote_For_Pedro therefore I am.

 

[Lisa0315]

Ya think MLJ would say anyone who thinks he is a Christian is one?\

Spirit AND Truth
that is what the Father is looking for

If you are for Spirit and Truth, then, why don't you go by the name you are better known by. Wouldn't that be more TRUTHFUL? Just a thought...

Lisa

Oops! He came out of the closet while I wasn't looking! Whew! I am glad you still have integrity, Doctor!

 

[tulc]

We are shepherds of the Blessed Shepherd, to tend to flocks, to guide and protect them. Where is is given to us to spend all our time with wolves? (emph. added)

Seems like some of the best shepherds were once wolves, Saul of Tarsus comes to mind.
tulc(a forrmer wolf, glad to be one of the flock now)

 

[meant4worship]

As Christian believers (assuming each of us are a believer), the Holy Spirit will lead each of us to the truth. Truth is often prevented if Christianity is known as a legalistic system which cause a delusion of eternal life. The idea that Jesus Christ has absolute and final authority over all of us in every detail of our lives is simply regardless of legalistic control by some evangelical Christians. Martin Lloyd-Jones, one of my favorite theologians said: "It is perilously close to being sinful for any person to learn doctrine for doctrine's sake."

I agree with you 100%... you cannot, however, disregard the absolute truth of Scripture. In the Word of God homosexuality is an abomination. To allow a homosexual couple to add wedding rings to their profile is an abomonation to God! Throws the Word right into the face of God. To say "if you say you're a christian, you're a christian, who are we to judge" slaps the teachings of Jesus right back in His face!!! He was all over the Pharisees for not being who they said they were. And, to limit my ability to judge the fruit of another's life and interact with them accordingly limits my ability to fulfill what God has called me to do... what He has called you to do.... be salt and light. Do I want to keep nonbelievers out... absolutely NOT! Do I want to sit in judgement over their lifestyles... yes... over them... NO. Jesus loved the sinner and hated the sin. We cannot embrace the sin at the same time we embrace the sinner and expect God to bless it. This isn't about legalism or doctrine. It is about being Christian--Christ-like! The new CF just doesn't fit the bill... Erwin might consider changing the name to Religious Forum... that is what you've ended up with... Religion. Having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof....

 

[Vote_For_Pedro]

Heh.

It's amazing how pervasive tribalism is.

Them and us.

It's funny.

I always thought that the message of Christianity was also that we are all in the same boat, all worthy of fellowship and compassion, especially those we would count as enemies.

I always thought that the message of Christianity was that nobody's that much better than anyone else; that we're all flawed creatures doing the best we can.

I always thought that the message of Christianity was that extending the hand of friendship and a welcome in your home to tax-collectors, prostitutes and the like was the right thing to do; that this gratuitous fellowship and refusal to exclude people was the whole point.

I always thought the message of Christianity was that altruism was more powerful than evil, that it simply worked better; that love was the universal solvent.

And so, get a bunch of particularly devout Christians together in a place like this, and look what happens.

They build fences to forcibly separate 'them' from 'us'. They worry that they will be contaminated or dragged down by walking among those outside their group. They hoard their friendship and welcome among themselves, refusing to waste it on others, as though they might somehow run out of the stuff. And they simply do not trust that their way works better, shielding themselves from the 'wolves' of other beliefs and hostility, lest it overpower love.

And people wonder why I'm a cynic.

Christianity says we are in the same hell-bound boat until we are born again.

Paul says: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8)

WIKIanity says truth is consensus

 

[sparklecat]

Not if the believers are not allowed to correct and reprove....

What makes you think you're not allowed to? The only thing allowing anyone who wishes to identify themselves as a Christian does at present is make it so that they can use a Christian icon. It doesn't mean you can't disagree with them.


For myself, I certainly hope there's no rule saying that Christians can't disagree on who is and is not a Christian, provided they can do so politely as part of a topical discussion, rather than to flame someone.

 

[meant4worship]

Christianity says we are in the same hell-bound boat until we are born again.

Paul says: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8)

WIKIanity says truth is consensus

AMEN!!!!

 

[joyshirley]

Forgive me if this is an assumption which is way off, but hasn't the possiblilty always existed for folk who join CF to claim a Christian icon which may not necessarily have reflected their actual stance?