A new CF, an old vision (4)

[Lisa0315]

On to ignore for you.
Later.

Hi Steve,
Are you also ignoring me? I addressed a post to you a short time ago. Would you mind replying to it?

Lisa

 

[drstevej]

Hi Steve,
Are you also ignoring me? I addressed a post to you a short time ago. Would you mind replying to it?

Lisa

Link, please.

 

[Lisa0315]

Link, please.

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Thanks!

Lisa

 

[Servant222]

Behind all the nice talk, this boils down to:

[size=+1]Do things the way I want or burn in Hell![/size]

No- he's saying do it the right way, God's way!

Big difference.

 

[Pogue]

*quietly dances*

 

[FallingWaters]

I never thought I'd post back in this website since I left a long time ago, however I was informed about everything and I decided to speak what is on my mind.....

I will not care what anyone thinks, nor will I care what anyone says. The words you will see are my last on this website and I will NOT respond to you, even if You PM me, I will delete them without a response.

This is now a website like the rest on the internet, it is no longer a Christian Website. I AM not blinded, and I and I know that many like me sees God no longer dwells here! I am sorry Erwin but you just made CF become Satan's playground. You opened all the windows and doors for his devouring hunt on people!

People can take scripture and twist it to their own likings!! And just to please people the website you created has become tainted! People can say, "God is leading me." How sad that this world has forgotten that Satan comes in the Angel of light and HE can lead people off into the wrong path!

How many people will see how this website will make them spiritually sick, angry, or heartbroken? Or will they become blinded?!

Coming back here to even post this, I see the many heartbroken people on here. Your vision you created for "All Christians to be Reunited as One Body" has dispersed and evaporated only to be carried away by the past memories of once was.

I have seek God's forgiveness on how much time I wasted on here in the past instead of finding him in his own words.....the Bible! A Holy Book that will never alter by peoples own selfish cravings and unholy desires because it DOES NOT fit their "certain" lifestyle! You altered the website so it CAN fit peoples own selfish wants and unholy desires!
You gave Satan the keys to each and every door on the website!

Christ will be calling his Sheep away from here, and those who hear the Shepard's voice will respond and follow!!

CF now stands for CHRIST FORGOTTEN!

My last words on the website and I bid Farewell to this Place Forever!

That's the way it appears to me, too.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Behind all the nice talk, this boils down to:

[size=+1]Do things the way I want or burn in Hell![/size]

Yep.. that's pretty much it. I am finding this attitude disappointing and sad.

 

[JimfromOhio]

No- he's saying do it the right way, God's way!

Big difference.

In what part of the Great Commission is God's way?

 

[drstevej]

I have been on CF for two years. I have had no say in policy. I have never been allowed to vote on anything. I have appealed on behalf of two members, one a newbie, and one an atheist. The Newbie ban was lifted. The atheist ban was not even acknowledged. No one EVER even replied to my PM! When I stated publicly that this had occurred, I was given a warning for speaking out against staff.

So, for those of us who have been model citizens, but have had no say, don't you think it is about time that we did? Even in churches, members get a vote. What is wrong with letting the membership have a role in policy? What is wrong with letting membership elect their representatives.

I don't know where you are from because I did not check your icon if you have one, but in the USA, we had a little war over "No taxation without representation!" We are not being taxed here, but many are site supporters. I was a site supporter my first year, but by year two, I am a one-income family and I cannot afford to spare even $10. When things change and I hope they do soon, I will be a site supporter again. Regardless, I think that every member should have a say in how this site is run.

Lisa

During the 1 year I was on staff (and Erwin was actively leading and shaping policy) he read the support forums regularly and the input of members was weighed in policy decisions.

A few months after I resigned Erwin handed the keys to Alpha and stepped WAY back. This era culminated with Alpha moderating the DR and then closing it. Steadily the input from members went to zero.

This is a pendulum swing in the other direction and I think will prove to be a nightmare.

I am a pastor in the US. I am an elder in my church. Our church is Elder run and I believe that is biblical. But we also solicit input from the congregation both formally and informally.

There was a better balance when Erwin was active in the policy and spiritual oversight of the ministry. Reading old Support threads verifies the active role he took.

It would be great if he would exercise the same type of leadership again, he has chosen not to. Sadly.

I firmly believe change was needed. I started a petition (signed by a wide variety of folk) saying CF was broken and needed Erwin to step back into leadership.

I applaud his return and decisiveness. I object to his solution because I believe it will be spiritually harmful. I also believe it will be a logistical mess which will absorb his efforts in coding when he is needed to be an ELDER here.

I do not know how large the church is where he is an elder, but I doubt it is larger than here.

BTW, the USA is not a pure democracy where laws are done via a online WIKI. That would be a mess. As will this.

Steve

 

[Leanna]

I support Erwin.

I'd like to see fair rules and strict policies, but the Open to nonChristians part I support 100%

 

[JimfromOhio]

During the 1 year I was on staff (and Erwin was actively leading and shaping policy) he read the support forums regularly and the input of members was weighed in policy decisions.

A few months after I resigned Erwin handed the keys to Alpha and stepped WAY back. This era culminated with Alpha moderating the DR and then closing it. Steadily the input from members went to zero.

This is a pendulum swing in the other direction and I think will prove to be a nightmare.

I am a pastor in the US. I am an elder in my church. Our church is Elder run and I believe that is biblical. But we also solicit input from the congregation both formally and informally.

There was a better balance when Erwin was active in the policy and spiritual oversight of the ministry. Reading old Support threads verifies the active role he took.

It would be great if he would exercise the same type of leadership again, he has chosen not to. Sadly.

I firmly believe change was needed. I started a petition (signed by a wide variety of folk) saying CF was broken and needed Erwin to step back into leadership.

I applaud his return and decisiveness. I object to his solution because I believe it will be spiritually harmful. I also believe it will be a logistical mess which will absorb his efforts in coding when he is needed to be an ELDER here.

I do not know how large the church is where he is an elder, but I doubt it is larger than here.

BTW, the USA is not a pure democracy where laws are done via a online WIKI. That would be a mess. As will this.

Steve

Elders are our spiritual stewardship who are looking for members spiritual needs and to look at their lives spiritually in from God's perspective. In 2 Corinthians 7:2 says that we "make room for others in our hearts. We have wronged no one, we have corrupted no one, we have exploited no one."

It is important for us to relize that the pastor/leaders-church relationship is very sensitive and vitally important issue. The only authority any pastor or elder has is the Word of God.

Now.. CF is NOT a CHURCH. CF is a mission. God will use ordinary good people as well as ordinary very sinful people to accomplish great things. Through out the history (in the past 2,000 years), God uses people of limitless backgrounds who can minister “together” (unity) for Christ. God works all things together for His purposes.

 

[Lisa0315]

During the 1 year I was on staff (and Erwin was actively leading and shaping policy) he read the support forums regularly and the input of members was weighed in policy decisions.

A few months after I resigned Erwin handed the keys to Alpha and stepped WAY back. This era culminated with Alpha moderating the DR and then closing it. Steadily the input from members went to zero.

This is a pendulum swing in the other direction and I think will prove to be a nightmare.

I am a pastor in the US. I am an elder in my church. Our church is Elder run and I believe that is biblical. But we also solicit input from the congregation both formally and informally.

There was a better balance when Erwin was active in the policy and spiritual oversight of the ministry. Reading old Support threads verifies the active role he took.

It would be great if he would exercise the same type of leadership again, he has chosen not to. Sadly.

I firmly believe change was needed. I started a petition (signed by a wide variety of folk) saying CF was broken and needed Erwin to step back into leadership.

I applaud his return and decisiveness. I object to his solution because I believe it will be spiritually harmful. I also believe it will be a logistical mess which will absorb his efforts in coding when he is needed to be an ELDER here.

I do not know how large the church is where he is an elder, but I doubt it is larger than here.

BTW, the USA is not a pure democracy where laws are done via a online WIKI. That would be a mess. As will this.

Steve

Okay. Fair enough.

Now, this change has occurred, for better or for worse. You believe for the worse, but what would you do differently. What things would you change about the new policy.

What I am asking of you Steve is to use your seniority, your experience, and you knowledge of CF to help. Let's come up with ways that we can make this work. Then, we can present to Erwin. I do not think he is unreasonable. So, if you were making all policy, what would you do differently?

Lisa

 

[JimfromOhio]

I support Erwin.

I'd like to see fair rules and strict policies, but the Open to nonChristians part I support 100%

I always in favor of fair and strict rules/policies. I just don't want Christians to be like Pharisees by shutting people out who do not agree with us. I believe democracy can only work with common-sense rules and policies that are biblical as we can.

If CF is a Church that would be different. CF is not a Church, it is a mission.

 

[CaDan]

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The canonical way of doing that is

*plonk*

 

[drstevej]

CF is NOT a CHURCH. CF is a mission.

Actually we do not know what CF is any more. It was a ministry it is becoming a caucus.

Theology is now moot and the word "Christian" here is now declared totally subjective.

"everyone did what was right in their own eyes" ought to be the new motto.

 

[Lisa0315]

Actually we do not know what CF is any more. It was a ministry it is becoming a caucus.

Theology is now moot and the word "Christian" here is now declared totally subjective.

"everyone did what was right in their own eyes" ought to be the new motto.

See? You should stop that. You have so much to offer, so much worthwhile to say, but instead every word out of your mouth is negative. Okay, you do not agree with Erwin's announcement. Fine. What is a better solution. Isn't it a better use of your time looking for solutions instead of just continuously shooting it down. You are an incredible wordsmythe, but use that gift to help instead of harm.

What can we do to make CF a better place?

Lisa

 

[drstevej]

Okay. Fair enough.

Now, this change has occurred, for better or for worse. You believe for the worse, but what would you do differently. What things would you change about the new policy.

What I am asking of you Steve is to use your seniority, your experience, and you knowledge of CF to help. Let's come up with ways that we can make this work. Then, we can present to Erwin. I do not think he is unreasonable. So, if you were making all policy, what would you do differently?

Lisa

Lisa,

Erwin has made it very clear that he believes God wants him to do this. If he wants my input he would ask as he has before. My open letter was a biblical admonition.

The exodus of staff he expected and has not deemed a deterrent from his new course. So I do not think my suggestions here would help.

He knows how to lead this forum but he chooses to work with code.

Steve

 

[JimfromOhio]

Actually we do not know what CF is any more. It was a ministry it is becoming a caucus.

Theology is now moot and the word "Christian" here is now declared totally subjective.

"everyone did what was right in their own eyes" ought to be the new motto.

Denominational doctrines (or theology) make denominational believers while the New Testament makes just Christians. Most denominations share common beliefs in the major aspects of the Christian faith, while differing in many secondary doctrines. From the New Testament time on there have been people that have believed the same thing but have differences of opinion on doctrined.

I quit CF because of CF's old system of legalism for giving me warnings for preaching the truth. I am coming back because I see that I will have the flexibility to preach the truth.

 

[Leanna]

I also support the no private staff forums.

And the part where we will differently consider our staff. i have been highly offended by the behavior of some of the staff on these threads, not the disagreements part, but the better-than-thou feeling I grasped from those posts....

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Actually we do not know what CF is any more. It was a ministry it is becoming a caucus.

Theology is now moot and the word "Christian" here is now declared totally subjective.

"everyone did what was right in their own eyes" ought to be the new motto.

Steve you are a master of hyperbole. CF is becoming more congregational in its method of being run. It is becoming more open. All I see in your posts is fear that the truth won't stand without rules and fences. That is exactly what the pharisees were afraid of as well. There will be rules, there will be moderators and all of this will be done by the community. If you want a site for Christians only, which would not be much of a ministry, then there are plenty of places for you to hang out. If you want a place built on exclusion and secret rooms there are still plenty of places. CF is becoming a better ministry in that it will stop judging the hearts of men, which is God's place, and start showing love instead of telling people that they are not good enough to hang out with elite. It's not the end of the world. It's not even the end of the truth being preached at CF. In fact there is more freedom to preach the Gospel under the new system than there was before. There is even freedom to preach Calvinsim whereas many of the hardcore Calvinists have been silenced in the past. If the truth is true it will shine through all of the false doctrines you claim to be concerned about.