A new CF, an old vision (3)

[JimfromOhio]

You would never have to put the Bible ahead of God...the Bible was authored by God. It is God's revelation of Himself to us. A love letter so to speak.

If you don't have the Holy Spirit within you, you can't.

You can't study the Scriptures without the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the key. Faith comes as a result of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit-He quickens our hearts to believe. Apart from the new birth, there can be no true faith. Without the Holy Spirit, our faith and our spiritual growth is NOTHING except dead fruit. Through the Holy Spirit, God's grace gave us the strength.

 

[Rochir]

OK, OK - that was really funny!

There ya go! As long as we can still laugh together, who cares what the other believes?

 

[JimfromOhio]

Yep, confusion is rooted in ~envy and strife~ (that which is earthly and sensual and devilish)

Given the devils BELIEVE and tremble (and have doctrines of the same) and some preach Christ in strife and envy (not of goodwill toward men)

That seems more like an inside job (so to speak) then an outside one


Peace

Fireinfolding

Yes... the root of confusion is sin.

 

[tashiseisei]

Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of Biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "Biblical"?
Dr. Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath-of-God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr. Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together -- mass hysteria.

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

Well, yes... but some of the things on CF which hurt people were created by Erwin, so I'm glad he realized it was a wrong way to fulfill his vision.

ok, cool

so now he's compoundin the hurt by doin a 180 the other way? hows that any better?

 

[ScottishJohn]

oh yeah. thisll do a lot to rid this place of legalism is the place united? nup. mods and members leaving. is that unted? nup.

Do you think the mods and members leaving before they have seen anything change are giving the new tools a chance? In which case who is creating that division. If we say to Christ for example, I'll only follow you if you lead me as I want to be lead, what would we be doing. I don't think we can blame Erwin for the division his actions have created. These are the same people who have been supported by Erwin in their flawed efforts to realise the vision of this board. Now Erwin has decided to try a new way. People are calling him names before they have seen what they are walking away from. Erwin has said that he is happy to take responsibility for his actions, and that he means no ill will. Have those leaving displayed the same good grace?

not all of these new rules are bad. but its being SO drastic is gonna do nothin but cause problems. everyone sees it, but ppl who are happy with the new status quo are ok with that.

Just as there have been people happy with previous changes, and people unhappy with previous changes. I honestly believe that these changes will reduce some of the most damaging, and to be quite frank pointless, conflicts on this site over people wanting to identify themselves in a particular way. At the end of the day Christ know our hearts, and what real difference is a symbol on a message board going to make to the rest of us. Denying that symbol is usually taken as an attack on a person's belief systems.

We all need to give it some time, and recognise that it won't work perfectly ever, and it won't get close first time, but that it can be a lot better than it is now.

 

[JimfromOhio]

oh yeah. thisll do a lot to rid this place of legalism is the place united? nup. mods and members leaving. is that unted? nup. not all of these new rules are bad. but its being SO drastic is gonna do nothin but cause problems. everyone sees it, but ppl who are happy with the new status quo are ok with that.

Over a month ago, I left due to CF's legalism. Now, I welcome this change.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Do you think the mods and members leaving before they have seen anything change are giving the new tools a chance? In which case who is creating that division. If we say to Christ for example, I'll only follow you if you lead me as I want to be lead, what would we be doing. I don't think we can blame Erwin for the division his actions have created. These are the same people who have been supported by Erwin in their flawed efforts to realise the vision of this board. Now Erwin has decided to try a new way. People are calling him names before they have seen what they are walking away from. Erwin has said that he is happy to take responsibility for his actions, and that he means no ill will. Have those leaving displayed the same good grace?



Just as there have been people happy with previous changes, and people unhappy with previous changes. I honestly believe that these changes will reduce some of the most damaging, and to be quite frank pointless, conflicts on this site over people wanting to identify themselves in a particular way. At the end of the day Christ know our hearts, and what real difference is a symbol on a message board going to make to the rest of us. Denying that symbol is usually an attack on a person's belief systems.

We all need to give it some time, and recognise that it won't work perfectly ever, and it won't get close first time, but that it can be a lot better than it is now.

Now... with this change, I might now consider to become a moderator. Since joining CF, legalism prevented me from becoming a moderator.

 

[RoseofLima]

My fear is for the new believers. They don't have the basis for strong belief yet and may never acquire it if they come to CF for teaching and fellowship and instead are bombarded by false doctrine. If those who love the new direction of CF have their way, tolerance will be the new doctrine and this is not LOVE.

CF as it is is a dangerous place for new believers--there are many doctrinal differences found here. Any message board will also have an even graver danger to new believers IMO- that of convertitis- which is full of pride and seldom tempered through suffering. I have actually found new converts to be the most "dangerous" posters around.

 

[TheBear]

If people are worried about new Christians being exposed to various world views, if people want to isolate these new Christians and protect them from differing views, (which is a very cultish approach), then they should keep the new Christians off the internet, and away from radio, TV, newspapers, movies and society in general.

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

Do you think the mods and members leaving before they have seen anything change are giving the new tools a chance? In which case who is creating that division. If we say to Christ for example, I'll only follow you if you lead me as I want to be lead, what would we be doing. I don't think we can blame Erwin for the division his actions have created. These are the same people who have been supported by Erwin in their flawed efforts to realise the vision of this board. Now Erwin has decided to try a new way. People are calling him names before they have seen what they are walking away from. Erwin has said that he is happy to take responsibility for his actions, and that he means no ill will. Have those leaving displayed the same good grace?



Just as there have been people happy with previous changes, and people unhappy with previous changes. I honestly believe that these changes will reduce some of the most damaging, and to be quite frank pointless, conflicts on this site over people wanting to identify themselves in a particular way. At the end of the day Christ know our hearts, and what real difference is a symbol on a message board going to make to the rest of us. Denying that symbol is usually an attack on a person's belief systems.

We all need to give it some time, and recognise that it won't work perfectly ever, and it won't get close first time, but that it can be a lot better than it is now.

again, what woulda been wrong with him actually takin the time to work out the nuances of it? how was guttin it completely the best way forward? ppl are justifiably scared. and they're bein told if they leave theyre in the wrong. that sort of lack of love is as bad as it was before.

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

Now... with this change, I might now consider to become a moderator. Since joining CF, legalism prevented me from becoming a moderator.

do ya even know how self involved yer soundin? post after post. get over yerself mate. this isnt about you. this is about everyone.

 

[RoseofLima]

again, what woulda been wrong with him actually takin the time to work out the nuances of it? how was guttin it completely the best way forward? ppl are justifiably scared. and they're bein told if they leave theyre in the wrong. that sort of lack of love is as bad as it was before.

Has anyone else not noticed ANY change in the fora they post in in the post apocolyptic after math??

What difference does it make worrying about how you'd have liked it all to be executed? This is how it is- just focus on how you want to choose to respond and deal with that reality.

 

[Beastt]

My truth is unshakeable - even by you. It's interesting how you have begun to assume the mantle of the elder atheist statesman in this thread. I have left many of the GA threads because of your blasphemy. Now CF may become so blasphemous without any regulation that hopefully it will burn up of it's own darkness.

Perhaps you would care to visit my thread on blasphemy in GA.

My fear is for the new believers. They don't have the basis for strong belief yet and may never acquire it if they come to CF for teaching and fellowship and instead are bombarded by false doctrine. If those who love the new direction of CF have their way, tolerance will be the new doctrine and this is not LOVE.

I don't have any statistics but of those here who have deconverted, most were not new believers but those who had long dedicated themselves to the church and Christianity. Some were moderators here and one was a preacher's wife, living and breathing her religion for many years before encountering questions and finding answers which lead to her deconversion.

In watching this thread I have recognized that it is probably not unlike a smaller scale reaction to the passing of the Emancipation Proclamation. Many of the same kind of arguments and similar concerns, some calling others to fight and the fear that the "dangerous members" are now free to go wherever they wish.

 

[Rochir]

 

[JimfromOhio]

do ya even know how self involved yer soundin? post after post. get over yerself mate. this isnt about you. this is about everyone.

True... not about me but for me I am happy even though those who likes "control" are not happy.

 

[No Swansong]

Get used to it in 2 months every thread on CF will look like this.

 

[Rut]

Just one more place for the wolves to circulate among the sheep, picking off the babes!

Remember what Jesus said then in Matthew 10:

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

Has anyone else not noticed ANY change in the fora they post in in the post apocolyptic after math??

What difference does it make worrying about how you'd have liked it all to be executed? This is how it is- just focus on how you want to choose to respond and deal with that reality.

well i dont have a regular forum but knowin ppl are leavin in pain dont sit too well with me. it shouldnt sit well with anyone. christian or non.

erwins new way is actually more divisive by STATUTE. and by sayin you couldnt care less if ppl leave, that its makin no difference to YOUR experience here, yer just supportin the division.

 

[frumanchu]

Rochir, I was thinking more along these lines: