Scooter Libby Has Sentence Commuted

[oldbetang]

1. Yellow cake uranium & weapons of mass destruction. LIES.

I'm unclear as to what you are referring to regarding the yellow cake uranium. What exactly was the lie and when was it made? As to the WMDs, US and foreign intelligence reports indicated that Iraq had WMD's and WMD programs. If you have proof that Bush knew the opposite to be true, then please present it.

2. Iraq did not pose a threat to us of any kind.

That's a matter of perspective. Saddam supported terrorists and terrorist actions that resulted in the deaths of US citizens. Also, an assassination attempt against a former US president was made by agents acting in the interest of the Iraqi regime.

ILLEGAL INVASION.

How so?

 

[invisible trousers]

And just to think, I was running out of evidence that the republican party is filled with dishonest and intellectually void hypocrites!

 

[k]

Bush claimed iraq was trying to get yellow cake from africa--claim was proven false. Bush claimed iraq had wmds--proven false. /not to mention cia chief of europe told him in sept 02 they didnt exist and rumsfeld said in oct 02 they may not be found/ Article 6 of the constitution states the us must obey all signed treaties and we violated article 2 of our treaty with the un thus making the invasion illegal.

 

[k]

Cia director tenet told bush the intel they used to push the bill through congress was out of date and unrelaible. Clarke pointed out they knew the wmds werent there. How many whistle blowers are needed? I fear some people will never admit we were lied to and that is frightening.

 

[Ginny]

It'd be even funnier if the democrats thought there was even ONE SINGLE PERSON that is going to come and save the day come 2008.

So sad...so true. There is NO ONE. On either side.

 

[JustOneWay]

It'd be even funnier if the democrats thought there was even ONE SINGLE PERSON that is going to come and save the day come 2008.

So sad...so true. There is NO ONE. On either side.

You are correct. I cant see anybody from either party fixing all that Bush has broken.

 

[jamesrwright3]

You described what just happened to Clinton. Glad we can all get along.

Yes witch hunts are bad. I am not sure how to stop them though. I don't agree Clinton should have been impeached, maybe at the most censured. The one problem I had with Clinton is he actually instructed his underlings to not tell the truth under oath, but the case was bogus to begin with

 

[oldbetang]

Bush claimed iraq was trying to get yellow cake from africa--claim was proven false.

What Bush claimed was ,"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." As far as I know,the British Government has not disowned its initial assessment.

Bush claimed iraq had wmds--proven false.

US and foreign intelligence indicated that Iraq had WMDs.Where is your evidence proving Bush knew beforehand that the intelligence reports were wrong?

/not to mention cia chief of europe told him in sept 02 they didnt exist

The CIA Chief of Europe's allegation pertained to the CIA's high level source within the Iraqi government. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence looked into the issue. From pages 146 and 147 of the PDF:

The 60 minutes story focused on the account of the former Chief of CIA’s Europe Division(Chief/EUR) who claimed that the source described above “told us that [Iraq] had no active weapons of mass destruction program”. This story was followed by numerous other media appearances by the former Chief/EUR such as, CNN’s Lou Dobbs Tonight and Anderson Cooper 360 degrees, and MSNBC’s Hardball, in which he claimed that the source said Iraq had no WMD programs.

Concerned that something might have been missed in our first Iraq review, the Committee began to request additional information from the Intelligence community and to question current and former CIA officers who were involved in this issue. As noted above, the Committee has not completed this inquiry, but we have seen the operational documentation pertaining to this case. We can say that there is not a single document related to this case which indicates that the source said Iraq had no WMD programs. Both the operations cable and the intelligence report prepared for high-level policymakers said that while Saddam Hussein did not have a nuclear weapon “he was aggressively and covertly developing such a weapon”. Both documents said that ‘Iraq was producing and stockpiling chemical weapons” and they both said Iraq’s weapon of last resort was mobile launched chemical weapons , which would be fired at enemy forces and Israel. The sources comments were consistent with the nuclear, chemical and missile assessments in the October 2002 WMD NIE. The only program not described as fully active was the biological weapons program which the source described as “amateur”, and not constituting a real weapons program.

The former Director of Central Intelligence testified before the Committee in July 2006 that the former Chief/EUR “had mischaracterized [the source’s] information” and said the former Chief/EUR never expressed a view to him, as the former Chief/EUR has claimed publicly, that the source’s information meant Iraq did not have WMD programs. The Committee is still exploring why the former Chief/EUR’s public remarks differ so markedly from the documentation.

and rumsfeld said in oct 02 they may not be found/

Saying that they may not be found does not equate with "we know that they are not there to begin with".

Article 6 of the constitution states the us must obey all signed treaties and we violated article 2 of our treaty with the un thus making the invasion illegal.

What specific treaty are you referring to?

 

[oldbetang]

Cia director tenet told bush the intel they used to push the bill through congress was out of date and unrelaible. Clarke pointed out they knew the wmds werent there.

How many whistle blowers are needed? I fear some people will never admit we were lied to and that is frightening.

Tenet signed off on the NIE of Oct 2002. As for Clark, I have no recollection of him making that claim.

 

[Smileyill]

The thing about the UN is that unless the S. council agrees nothing important happens and unless they say so, nobody violated the treaty, even if they did technically.

I voted for Bush and I wish he'd get impeached, but only if they get Cheney too because I'd rather have Bush than Cheney.

 

[nightflight]

List of Clinton pardons:
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm

Just for some perspective!

 

[Smileyill]

List of Clinton pardons:
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm

Just for some perspective!

Wow!!! Clinton really enjoyed pardoning people.

 

[MachZer0]

Wow!!! Clinton really enjoyed pardoning people.

Yeah, like cronies, relatives, campaign donors, et al.

 

[JoyJuice]

Umm he has the right to do this under the Constitution whether you like it or not

Let me understand this, his pledge of oath is to uphold and protect the constitution as President of the United States, but the constitution gives him the right to neither?

What the heck has gone wrong with American Civics?

 

[Ginny]

Wow!!! Clinton really enjoyed pardoning people.

ssshhhhhhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone in the cesspool.

 

[elanor]

Fred Thompson isn't about to marry Bill Clinton. Sorry.

But if we all work together we could get the law changed so that he could!

 

[JoyJuice]

Annan was not the final arbiter of what is legal or illegal under the UN Charter..

I mention Annan only because in his assessment as the head of the UN recognizing that Bush violated the UN charter was illegal; he was quite correct. The aggrement was with the UN and Iraq, not American and Iraq.

But you're are right Annan is not the final arbitrator, our Constitution is:


Article VI of the US Constitution:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;"​

Bush hasn't issued anywhere near 750 signing statements. Try 147. Signing statements are nothing new, They been used since the Monroe presidency and Bush's predecessor issued his fair share of them himself. In fact, his DOJ issued a memo defending the use of signing statements.

750 of them.

Signing statements were used by past presidents as a commentary on the law, not to edit to expressly turn one's nose and violate the law. Quite the difference.

Too vague. Offer some specifics please.

FISA of course, along with the recent CIA overstepping, and moreover through the testimony Gonzales these may not be the only illegal spying programs on American citizens in violation of the Constitution.....again.

The Geneva Convention pertains to the treatment of POWS, not enemy combatants.

Again, it's a treaty. A country on their own accord through the means of a intept attornery within the Whitehouse to justify torture can not change the name of prisoners, to specifically do what the treaty says is illegal. That would be like Vietnam reclassifiying our prisoners in Hanoi as "Hotel guests" and not prisoners to do the same. You can't alter treaties on your own.

Religious discrimination does not inherently violate the constitution

It deprives one of theire free liberty of employment; the 14th admendment.

 

[Smileyill]

Just a clarification, the S. Council has the end all be all say in the UN. It's not a violation until it decides. In other words, nobody on the council can violate the treaty because they all have veto power.

 

[JoyJuice]

Just a clarification, the S. Council has the end all be all say in the UN. It's not a violation until it decides. In other words, nobody on the council can violate the treaty because they all have veto power.

I'm not too sure how the official process works, but I do remember the UN despite all the bugging and check book diplomacy to twist arms, rejecting Bush's call for invasion.

 

[Smileyill]

I'm not too sure how the official process works, but I do remember the UN despite all the bugging and check book diplomacy to twist arms, rejecting Bush's call for invasion.

Yes, but they can't stop him unless all the rest of them vote against him.