3 former leaders of ex-gay ministry apologize

[Tenka]

They don't want to be gay, and there's nothing wrong with wanting that.

I'm sure there were a great many black folks who didn't want to be black in the 'back of the bus' era either.

 

[The Bellman]

But it's good to know that once people realize and admit they have a problem, there are people there ready, willing and able to help

On the contrary, it's awful to realise that there are people ready to convince them they have a problem and then give them bogus 'help' that ends up harming them.

In fact, it's a terrible blight on Christianity.

 

[MachZer0]

On the contrary, it's awful to realise that there are people ready to convince them they have a problem...

Somebody's got to do it

 

[Ohioprof]

Obviously, you are not ready to admit a problem, so you are not ready to get help. That's all I'm saying

Thank you for your concern, but I do not have a problem, and I really do not need help.

 

[Ohioprof]

How a disorder manifests itself has noting to do with what causes it.

Why are you talking about a disorder? Being gay is not a disorder.

 

[Ohioprof]

Somebody's got to do it

No. They don't.

 

[Mumei]

Somebody's got to do it

I really don't like the idea that you need evil in the world for good to exist. Why do you insist upon doing evil unto others, then?

 

[Ohioprof]

If you go back over this discussion, you'll note that I was talking about people promoting homosexulaity as normal. Are you suggesting that those people are celibate?

Homosexuality is normal for some of us. It's normal for me. I don't have to promote it. I just live my life, the same as other people do.

 

[Ohioprof]

That's what substance abusers say.

Being gay is not like substance abuse. There is no abuse of anything; we are just different in one particular way from heterosexuals. Being gay is more like being left-handed. Left-handed people are not addicted to writing with their left hand. That's just how they express who they are, how they naturally write or eat. Someone can choose to try to write with their right hand even if they are left-handed, but it will go against their nature. Someone else can come along and teach left-handed people to write with their right hand and say, "We are just giving them options." But why try to teach someone to write with their right hand when their nature is to be left-handed? Why not just accept them as they are, which is left-handed?

 

[SimplyMe]

But I'm willing to take people at their word. If they say they are an ex-homosexual who is now fully straight and attracted to the opposite sex I won't argue with them. I won't even care.

Glad to see you being able to change your mnd

Except you keep claiming you want gays to admit they have a problem, so why are you suddenly okay if they pretend like they don't?

 

[MrPirate]

If you go back over this discussion, you'll note that I was talking about people promoting homosexulaity as normal. Are you suggesting that those people are celibate?

Homosexuality is normal.

hateing an entire minority is not.

 

[MrPirate]

That's a good step

Why is lying a good step?

 

[ALiberalTeen]

That's what substance abusers say.

How can you compare something natrual to something unnatrual?

 

[MrPirate]

On the contrary. The quote I provided came from an ex-homosexual who is married (to a woman) and has children, again refuting your claim.

With years of therapy, Exodus president Alan Chambers says, he has “mostly conquered his own attraction to men.” But still “struggles at times with homosexual temptation.”

Los Angeles Times, June 18, 2007

So much for the claim of being an Ex-homosexual

 

[MachZer0]

How can you compare something natrual to something unnatrual?

I never said substance abuse was natural

 

[MachZer0]

With years of therapy, Exodus president Alan Chambers says, he has “mostly conquered his own attraction to men.” But still “struggles at times with homosexual temptation.”

Los Angeles Times, June 18, 2007

So much for the claim of being an Ex-homosexual

One day at a time, just like alcoholics

 

[ALiberalTeen]

I never said substance abuse was natural

Yup, becasue it isn't.

But Homosexuality is

 

[SimplyMe]

One day at a time, just like alcoholics

But he claims not to be a homosexual, just like the alcoholic (to go back to your analogy) that denies he is an alcoholic. So how is it a good thing? And just how has this therapy to remove same sex attraction helped him since he still struggles with it?

 

[rebelEnigma]

But Homosexuality is

Merely by you saying so? Homosexuality is an evolutionary dead-end. You can't reverse supposed "millions of years" of evolution in a couple decades. If homosexuals can't have children and reproduce themselves without any outside means, then it's a dead-end.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

Merely by you saying so? Homosexuality is an evolutionary dead-end. You can't reverse supposed "millions of years" of evolution in a couple decades. If homosexuals can't have children and reproduce themselves without any outside means, then it's a dead-end.

Homosexuality happens in nature, so it IS natural.