False Translation of the word "homosexual" - 1 Cor 6:9

[davedjy]

I missed that verse. Posts are missing from that person for some strange reason.

 

[PastorJim]

I post the copy and pastes, because I post a lot a day! it saves my hands from typing.

If you post that much, then maybe it would be a good idea to stop spending so much time on the internet. The real world can be a nice place, too.

Yes, Pastor Jim, I know the original Hebrew and Greek

Do you? Είμαι βέβαιος ότι ξέρετε ελληνικό πολύ καλά αλλά κάνετε λάθος ακόμα.

so what is that you were talking about with Proverbs again? I guess you should read that verse yourself.

We should all read them. Is there a reason you don't feel they don't apply to you?

 

[davedjy]

If you post that much, then maybe it would be a good idea to stop spending so much time on the internet. The real world can be a nice place, too.



Do you?



We should all read them. Is there a reason you don't feel they don't apply to you?

I stand against ignorance and anti-gay doctrine, and yes, I have a life, it is 7:35 am here in California. Your posts do not contribute to this thread. Shall we do a reputation check between the 2 of us?

 

[davedjy]

Pastor Jim, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, involve just two Greek words, malakoi and arsenokoitai.

What do these words mean? you have 10 seconds...

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Davedjy,

Faulty theology? you have yet to disprove ONE myth on that fact sheet. Prove one wrong. Prove this wrong:

I have already proved them wrong, you have yet to address my proof... Fact !

 

[davedjy]

Dear Davedjy,
I have already proved them wrong, you have yet to address my proof... Fact !

You have not.

Disprove this one, just ONE:

FACT: There is not one condemnation of homosexuality as one’s innate sexual constitution in the Scriptures. In fact, any reputable Bible scholar will tell you that when the original manuscripts were written in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, in none of these languages did the word "homosexual," or any viable translation of the word, exist.

http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm

 

[PastorJim]

Shall we do a reputation check between the 2 of us?

And this brings us back to those verses in Proverbs.

My reputation is found in Christ and what He has done in me, not what men may think of me.

 

[davedjy]

And this brings us back to those verses in Proverbs.

My reputation is found in Christ and what He has done in me, not what men may think of me.

PastorJim, where is your rebuttal of the facts I just posted about the word "homosexual" in the original Hebrew and Greek?

 

[davedjy]

Perhaps some reading should be done!

http://gaychurch.org/Gay_and_Christian_YES/gay_and_christian_yes.htm

 

[PastorJim]

PastorJim, where is your rebuttal of the facts I just posted about the word "homosexual" in the original Hebrew and Greek?

You didn't post facts. You posted somebody else's opinion.

I didn't offer a rebuttal because others already have and you wouldn't listen to them.

 

[davedjy]

You didn't post facts. You posted somebody else's opinion.

I didn't offer a rebuttal because others already have and you wouldn't listen to them.

You have yet to prove it is just an opinion and not facts!

The rest of this post is just a lazy dissertation of what has been said around here. Spend time around here before making statements like this.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Davedjy,

FACT: There is not one condemnation of homosexuality as one’s innate sexual constitution in the Scriptures. In fact, any reputable Bible scholar will tell you that when the original manuscripts were written in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, in none of these languages did the word "homosexual," or any viable translation of the word, exist.

Firstly, the Bible doesnt mention heterosexual as one's inate constitution, or any orientation.
Secondly there is no scientific proof of any inate sexual orientation. Why would you be looking for something that might not exist?
Thirdly, the Bible does mention men with men instead of with women and condemns it. The meaning of the modern word 'Homosexuality' is therefore implicated.
Fourthly, the biology of humans is designed for man and woman not man and man.
Fifthly you are still talking about what the Bible doesnt say about a concept that isnt proven.
What I have given is what the Bible does say and the answer to the thread question is arsenokoites does mean men/bed and even today we say have you been to bed with her/him have you been laid. so a man 'arsen' shall not lie (fam) 'koites' with another man man 'arsen' as with a woman.... is best translated homoerotic/homosexual

 

[MercyBurst]

You didn't post facts. You posted somebody else's opinion.

I didn't offer a rebuttal because others already have and you wouldn't listen to them.

Way to go PJ!!

What's this verse I read about people that are contentious with the bible -- like they aren't even worth listening to? Something like that.

 

[davedjy]

Dear Davedjy,

Firstly, the Bible doesnt mention heterosexual as one's inate constitution, or any orientation.
Secondly there is no scientific proof of any inate sexual orientation. Why would you be looking for something that might not exist?
Thirdly, the Bible does mention men with men instead of with women and condemns it. The meaning of the modern word 'Homosexuality' is therefore implicated.
Fourthly, the biology of humans is designed for man and woman not man and man.
Fifthly you are still talking about what the Bible doesnt say about a concept that isnt proven.
What I have given is what the Bible does say and the answer to the thread question is arsenokoites does mean men/bed and even today we say have you been to bed with her/him have you been laid. so a man 'arsen' shall not lie (fam) 'koites' with another man man 'arsen' as with a woman.... is best translated homoerotic/homosexual

That is false. 450 creations born gay, bi, lesbian and transgender. That is Scientific proof.

You lose...

 

[RMDY]

The point missed. Salvation is not based upon committing gay sex acts. Do some research before spouting out things about salvation that are out of context.

Dave, I believe that you and I have different idea about obedience to God. Do you believe that it is possible to be a christian and willingly commit incest? Do you believe it is a christian and possible to ignore God's commands to not steal and go about all your life stealing things?

I'm asking you here a question like: Do you believe sin and grace are compatible? Do you believe God will save your a rebellious soul?

After all, Satan is an angel and is in the presence of God right now.
Satan knows what sin and isn't sin, but continues to cause trouble for everyone despite God's love for all, angels and humans alike.
In the end, it is Satan's disobedience to God, to continually sin and cause sin for everyone that causes this false angel of light to be cast out of Heaven and to be at war with God.

God loves us but if we go the way of Satan and willingly sin and ignore what the Holy Spirit is telling us and believe our feelings and knowledge more than we believe our Spirit, that is Jesus living within us: who is the truth, the way, and the life, in the end we will have destruction because of our rebellion to Jesus, to the God One and Only. I am not suggesting to you that you won't be saved, but giving an example of what disobedience and an unrepenting heart can do to a christian if they go all their life not properly loving their God. (first commandment love your God with all your mind, body and soul)

Have you ever experienced disobedience to your Father before? He will forgive you all the time because he loves you, but if you die, he won't be able to forgive himself because of his broken heart. In the end, sinners will suffer. Being baptised to God means you become his, but if you bear no fruit and your heart is filled with evil despite how much you want to serve him and you don't even ask for forgiveness, what is God going to think. Do you think he sent Jesus into this world so you can continue to sin and do whatever you want? Do you think following is all about earthly things and lawlessness, immorality, strife, anger and problems? Jesus didn't come into this world to smash the wall that is the law only to have sin pouring out constantly into our lives, but to keep that wall that is the law and stop the sin from being poured out into our lives by forgiveness and not sacrificial atonement. Big different here! You are saved by Jesus blood and not sacrificial atonement and self-righteousness through a law! But God commands us to abstain from the same things, immorality, anger, hate, strife, slander, greed, idols, ect. and to walk in love with others and God.

Our bodies are not our own but God's. You don't seem to realize this. When the Holy Spirit dwells within us, that is God, it belongs to God and not yourself. It is not your body, but God's. It is God's body, to be used to serve him, not to be touched by immoral things and used in evil ways.

God bless you Davedjy,
peace be to you from Jesus Christ.

 

[davedjy]

Dave, I believe that you and I have different idea about obedience to God. Do you believe that it is possible to be a christian and willingly commit incest? Do you believe it is a christian and possible to ignore God's commands to not steal and go about all your life stealing things?

I'm asking you here a question like: Do you believe sin and grace are compatible? Do you believe God will save your a rebellious soul?

After all, Satan is an angel and is in the presence of God right now.
Satan knows what sin and isn't sin, but continues to cause trouble for everyone despite God's love for all, angels and humans alike.
In the end, it is Satan's disobedience to God, to continually cause sin for everyone that causes him to be cast out of Heaven and to be at war with God.

God loves us but if we go the way of Satan and willingly sin and ignore what the Holy Spirit is telling us and believe our feelings more than we believe our Spirit, in the end we will have destruction because of our rebellion to Jesus.

Have you ever experienced disobedience to your Father before? He will forgive you all the time because he loves you, but if you die, he won't be able to forgive himself because of his broken heart. In the end, sinners will suffer. Being baptised to God means you become his, but if you bear no fruit and your heart is filled with evil despite how much you want to serve him and you don't even ask for forgiveness, what is God going to think. Do you think he sent Jesus into this world so you can continue to sin and do whatever you want? Do you think following is all about earthly things and lawlessness, immorality, strife, anger and problems? Jesus didn't come into this world to smash the wall that is the law only to have sin pouring out constantly into our lives, but to keep that wall that is the law and stop the sin from being poured out into our lives by forgiveness and not sacrificial atonement. Big different here! You are saved by Jesus blood and not sacrificial atonement and self-righteousness through a law! But God commands us to abstain from the same things, immorality, anger, hate, strife, slander, greed, idols, ect. and to walk in love with others and God.

Our bodies are not our own but God's. You don't seem to realize this. When the Holy Spirit dwells within us, that is God, it belongs to God and not yourself. It is not your body, but God's. It is God's body, to be used to serve him, not to be touched by immoral things and used in evil ways.

God bless you Davedjy,
peace be to you from Jesus Christ.

With your logic masturbation could be sinful or anything not added in the Commandments. I don't know about incest, but that isn't comparable, as incest IS NOT A SEXUAL ORIENTATION!

FACT: There is not one condemnation of homosexuality as one’s innate sexual constitution in the Scriptures. In fact, any reputable Bible scholar will tell you that when the original manuscripts were written in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, in none of these languages did the word "homosexual," or any viable translation of the word, exist.

Get to know the facts:

http://whosoever.org/bible/

 

[MercyBurst]

After much diligent study on meanings and SINtax, the scriptures have been resolved for the word "homosexual." In the original greek it translates "lost sinner".

 

[davedjy]

After much diligent study on meanings and SINtax, the scriptures have been resolved for the word "homosexual." In the original greek it translates "lost sinner".

A lost sinner is one who condemns another based upon their sexual constitution which has nothing to do with salvation. One who condemns instead of reaching out in real love for other people with grace and humility.

 

[davedjy]

After much diligent study on meanings and SINtax, the scriptures have been resolved for the word "homosexual." In the original greek it translates "lost sinner".

9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Cor%206:9;&version=9;

Homosexual was not resoved as the answer in this passage, that is the KJV, just the newer ones say that.

 

[RMDY]

With your logic masturbation could be sinful or anything not added in the Commandments. I don't know about incest, but that isn't comparable, as incest IS NOT A SEXUAL ORIENTATION!

FACT: There is not one condemnation of homosexuality as one’s innate sexual constitution in the Scriptures. In fact, any reputable Bible scholar will tell you that when the original manuscripts were written in the languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, in none of these languages did the word "homosexual," or any viable translation of the word, exist.

Get to know the facts:

http://whosoever.org/bible/

Did you ever read my post?