False Translation of the word "homosexual" - 1 Cor 6:9

[davedjy]

The other New Testament references, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, involve just two Greek words, malakoi and arsenokoitai. There are many good dissertations on the translations of these words, which are available in bookstores and libraries. For the purpose of this pamphlet, suffice it to say that over the centuries, malakoi has been translated and interpreted in every possible way, from the general term "sexual perverts" to those who touch! In Matthew 11:8, malakoi is translated "soft" in reference to clothing, and in the context of other literature, it has even been used in reference to moral weakness. Only recently has the term been translated "homosexual," which is a serious violation of Biblical exegesis. Michael England, in his book, The Bible and Homosexuality, makes note of the fact that in 1 Corinthians 6:9, both malakoi and arsenokoitai are listed separately, and yet, some translators come up with "the entirely unjustified translations which choose to ignore the fact of the two separate words." (P.44) Thus, what the Greek Interlinear translates "voluptuous persons" and the vague term, "sodomite," some translations have rendered the single word, "homosexual." Again, it is extremely important to remember that every seeming reference to homosexuality in the Bible is based solely on interpolation and conjecture, and under no circumstance does the Bible make reference to, or condemn gay men and women who have a sincere desire to live in a committed, loving relationship, professing Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior.


http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm

 

[BAFRIEND]

I believe it is not a false translation, but a closer one used by the translators to end liberal gay interpratations and put an end to the debate.

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders... (1 Cor. 6:9, NIV)

I think I will trust the translators before I will trust relativist 21st century gay sages with my salvation.

 

[davedjy]

I believe it is not a false translation, but a closer one used by the translators to end liberal gay interpratations and put an end to the debate.



I think I will trust the translators before I will trust relativist 21st century gay sages with my salvation.

That is not a debate point. You fail on every level.

 

[davedjy]

I believe it is not a false translation, but a closer one used by the translators to end liberal gay interpratations and put an end to the debate.



I think I will trust the translators before I will trust relativist 21st century gay sages with my salvation.

Here is another failing from your post.


Salvation.


Titus 3:5--He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of His mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit..."

Romans 10:9--"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

John 6:37--and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out

 

[BAFRIEND]

That is not a debate point. You fail on every level.

I don't need to debate it, why reinvent the wheel ?

 

[davedjy]

I don't need to debate it, why reinvent the wheel ?

This is a debate forum. Yes, you do need to debate.

You can hide behind false translations if you wish.

 

[BAFRIEND]

This is a debate forum. Yes, you do need to debate.

You can hide behind false translations if you wish.

I don't hide behind false translations. I can prayerfully grasp the truth of scripture in light of the reality of the common sense world.

AIDS for instance.

 

[davedjy]

I don't hide behind false translations. I can prayerfully grasp the truth of scripture in light of the reality of the common sense world.

AIDS for instance.

AIDS is not God's punishment on homosexuals. The majority of AIDS sufferers are not gay, they are from 3rd world countries.

In a life-long, committed relationship, you eliminate that.

There are lots of gay men and lesbian women and plenty of holy Christian Churches that freely accept us for who we are!

 

[BAFRIEND]

In 2005, 72% of new diagnosis in this country were homosexuals.

 

[dayhiker]

I don't hide behind false translations. I can prayerfully grasp the truth of scripture in light of the reality of the common sense world.

The common cold for instance.

 

[RMDY]

Here is another failing from your post.


Salvation.


Titus 3:5--He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of His mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit..."

Romans 10:9--"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

John 6:37--and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out

When you follow Jesus and God, you have to be obedient as well
- Rob

Titus 3:5--He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of His mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit..."

Yes, but if we continue to live a life of sin, then Jesus original washing of us is meaningless. Being obedient to God isn't about being righteous but loving him and keeping His commands from our heart. This falls in line with Jesus most important commandment "Love God with all our heart, mind, and soul"

 

[davedjy]

When you follow Jesus and God, you have to be obedient as well
- Rob

Titus 3:5--He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of His mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit..."

Yes, but if we continue to live a life of sin, then Jesus original washing of us is meaningless. Being obedient to God isn't about being righteous but loving him and keeping His commands from our heart. This falls in line with Jesus most important commandment "Love God with all our heart, mind, and soul"

The point missed. Salvation is not based upon committing gay sex acts. Do some research before spouting out things about salvation that are out of context.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

I don't hide behind false translations. I can prayerfully grasp the truth of scripture in light of the reality of the common sense world.

The common cold for instance.

Not wearing your scarf must be a sin because you get a cold.

And skin cancer, thats a sin for going swimming or not wearing sunscreen, ignoring the fact sunscreen wasn't made until the 20th century.

Oh yeah, and SIDS, we maybe being a baby is a sin now.

Yep, the truth of scripture is SO apparent in this "common sense world" BAFRIEND (thank you for the inspiration Hiker )

 

[Brieuse]

I don't need to debate it, why reinvent the wheel ?

To rid the Christian Church of unnecessary judgment?

 

[brightmorningstar]

1 Corinthians 6 (and 1 Timothy 1) are lists of sins/sinners. Firstly arsenokoites is a word it seems Paul has assembled. There is no doubt that arsen= male/man and koites = lie/bed (fam) It is difficult to see how Paul who in 1 Tim 1 actually refers to the law with arsenokoites isnt refering to Leviticus (as in the Greek septuaguint) A man (arsen) shall not lie (koites) with another man (arsen) as with a woman.
Malakoi is less obvious, it means effeminate and soft. But 1 Cor 6 includes porneia and moicheai and idoloters in the list. Of course Jesus in Matthew 19 and Mark 10 affirms God's purpose for faithful man and woman union, says that fornication (porneia) and aduletery (moicheia) breaks this and offers celibacy as the alternative. To try and justify same-sex sex from this is not just trying somehow to say arsenokites doesnt say what it says and assume Jesus has made a mistake about His creation purpose.

But again this is just trying to dispute what the Bible says, there is no countenance for same-sex sex in the Bible.

The point missed. Salvation is not based upon committing gay sex acts. Do some research before spouting out things about salvation that are out of context

Not quite true. Salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ alone, but one cant have faith in Christ if one wilfully discards what Jesus teaches us to do. Jesus says we love Him and are part of Him when we obey what He teaches John 14 & 15. In fact 1 Corinthians 6 and Romans 1 actaully say that such sexually immorality is a barrier to the Kingdom.

The other thing worth mentioning is that apart from Jesus teaching to judge what is right, He taught not to judge others. But why would someone who doesnt believe what Jesus teaches about faithful man/woman union and not same-sex, expect others to believe what Jesus teaches about judeging? The response is perhaps those who promote same-sex sex are judging Jesus.

There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus and Jesus came to save not to destroy. God loves all who He created and loves to parade them.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]That is not a debate point. You fail on every level.[/SIZE]

"I'm right and you're wrong! Are not! Am too! Nuh uh! Nuh huh!"

 

[ILove2Worship]

"I'm right and you're wrong! Are not! Am too! Nuh uh! Nuh huh!"

This man just argues with himself...referring to that David character not you

 

[davedjy]

1 Corinthians 6 (and 1 Timothy 1) are lists of sins/sinners. Firstly arsenokoites is a word it seems Paul has assembled. There is no doubt that arsen= male/man and koites = lie/bed (fam) It is difficult to see how Paul who in 1 Tim 1 actually refers to the law with arsenokoites isnt refering to Leviticus (as in the Greek septuaguint) A man (arsen) shall not lie (koites) with another man (arsen) as with a woman.
Malakoi is less obvious, it means effeminate and soft. But 1 Cor 6 includes porneia and moicheai and idoloters in the list. Of course Jesus in Matthew 19 and Mark 10 affirms God's purpose for faithful man and woman union, says that fornication (porneia) and aduletery (moicheia) breaks this and offers celibacy as the alternative. To try and justify same-sex sex from this is not just trying somehow to say arsenokites doesnt say what it says and assume Jesus has made a mistake about His creation purpose.

But again this is just trying to dispute what the Bible says, there is no countenance for same-sex sex in the Bible.



Not quite true. Salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ alone, but one cant have faith in Christ if one wilfully discards what Jesus teaches us to do. Jesus says we love Him and are part of Him when we obey what He teaches John 14 & 15. In fact 1 Corinthians 6 and Romans 1 actaully say that such sexually immorality is a barrier to the Kingdom.

The other thing worth mentioning is that apart from Jesus teaching to judge what is right, He taught not to judge others. But why would someone who doesnt believe what Jesus teaches about faithful man/woman union and not same-sex, expect others to believe what Jesus teaches about judeging? The response is perhaps those who promote same-sex sex are judging Jesus.

There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus and Jesus came to save not to destroy. God loves all who He created and loves to parade them.

That is a temple prostitution violation. You may wish to do some research before posting. LOTS of this stuff has been repeated, over and over...

 

[davedjy]

This man just argues with himself...referring to that David character not you

This contributes nothing to this thread!

 

[davedjy]

"I'm right and you're wrong! Are not! Am too! Nuh uh! Nuh huh!"

Keep posting your same, old interpretation of false translations. They have been proven wrong, over and OVER again.