Do you guys actually post in the Origins forum?

[Digit]

Or is it just me? Just seems awful quiet in there. >_>

Digit

 

[FallingWaters]

Or is it just me? Just seems awful quiet in there. >_>

Digit

I don't post there because I just get my head bitten off and insults.
Every now and then, I forget and venture in,
but it doesn't take long for the insults to start.
It's not worth it, to me anyway.

Apparently, some of the other creationists are taking a break from the barrage.

 

[busterdog]

I don't post there because I just get my head bitten off and insults.
Every now and then, I forget and venture in,
but it doesn't take long for the insults to start.
It's not worth it, to me anyway.

Apparently, some of the other creationists are taking a break from the barrage.

Taking a break - I'm not feeling it no more.

Actually, I am waiting quite contentedly for a new direction in this whole creation business. And I just got this cool gig in a coffee house. I am realizing how much more satisfying worship is than argument.

 

[FallingWaters]

I am realizing how much more satisfying worship is than argument.

I'm with you THERE, brother!

I didn't know we had worship ministry in common!
That is my foremost calling in life (besides being a mother).

 

[laptoppop]

I do on occasion. I have posted more in the past - but too many times it feels like its me versus 5-10 other people, and there's no real way for me to respond to all of them properly. There's also several who have rejected what I am saying without any support or evidence -- for example, they have tried to get me to interpret things simplistically, especially in terms of flood modeling. I'm tired of it, and work is real busy right now, so I'm throttling back quite a bit.

 

[keyarch]

I do on occasion. I have posted more in the past - but too many times it feels like its me versus 5-10 other people, and there's no real way for me to respond to all of them properly. There's also several who have rejected what I am saying without any support or evidence -- for example, they have tried to get me to interpret things simplistically, especially in terms of flood modeling. I'm tired of it, and work is real busy right now, so I'm throttling back quite a bit.

I feel the same as you. Also, just as soon as a thread gets down to some real meat, it is so far down on the string that it's hard for me to find my own posts to follow up on.

I'm sure the others don't bother to expand those threads, and so the best points go unnoticed. I hate it when they just post an answer in a new thread without linking it to the one they're responding to.

There should be a way to expand the whole tree of comments so you can see them all branched out, and do it without flipping back up to the top so you don't loose your place.

I also wonder why the TE crowd spend so much energy trying to defeat the creationist theology, when we are actually trying to stay true to the Bible.

One good reason not to engage too much and "avoid" that crowd is this:

ESV 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called "knowledge,"​

 

[busterdog]

I'm with you THERE, brother!

I didn't know we had worship ministry in common!
That is my foremost calling in life (besides being a mother).

Perhaps to put it a little less sanctimoniously, I have had the wrong balance of the two issues. I need more worship and less apologetics.

What do you do in your worship?

At Church, we kind of push Maranatha stuff and hymns.

Privately, we mostly play Darrell Evans, David Crowder, Rita Springer, Hillsong, Vineyard.

 

[busterdog]

I feel the same as you. Also, just as soon as a thread gets down to some real meat, it is so far down on the string that it's hard for me to find my own posts to follow up on.

I'm sure the others don't bother to expand those threads, and so the best points go unnoticed. I hate it when they just post an answer in a new thread without linking it to the one they're responding to.

There should be a way to expand the whole tree of comments so you can see them all branched out, and do it without flipping back up to the top so you don't loose your place.

I also wonder why the TE crowd spend so much energy trying to defeat the creationist theology, when we are actually trying to stay true to the Bible.

One good reason not to engage too much and "avoid" that crowd is this:

ESV 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called "knowledge,"​

That is a challenging Word, brother. "Avoid" suggests we not even bother with the apologetics. I have to say, I am not impressed with the fruit born of doing it otherwise, excep that I think I learn a lot myself.

 

[FallingWaters]

Perhaps to put it a little less sanctimoniously, I have had the wrong balance of the two issues. I need more worship and less apologetics.

What do you do in your worship?

At Church, we kind of push Maranatha stuff and hymns.

Privately, we mostly play Darrell Evans, David Crowder, Rita Springer, Hillsong, Vineyard.

I don't want to get evicted from the thread for being off-topic, so I will PM you.

 

[vossler]

Or is it just me? Just seems awful quiet in there.

I try to limit my postings to topics that really interest me, but I've long since lost the desire to post more regularly. I come primarily to see the arguments being made and the positions held.

I don't post there because I just get my head bitten off and insults.

lol, yeah I'm familiar with that too. Here's what I recommend, just don't take yourself too seriously and all the insults don't seem to hurt near as bad.

Taking a break - I'm not feeling it no more.

I haven't felt it for quite some time, yet like the dumb sheep that I am I'm still foolish enough to venture in.

I do on occasion. I have posted more in the past - but too many times it feels like its me versus 5-10 other people, and there's no real way for me to respond to all of them properly.

Boy can I relate to that.

One good reason not to engage too much and "avoid" that crowd is this:

ESV 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called "knowledge,"​

Now that's a powerful Scripture most of us would do well to heed. Thanks!

 

[keyarch]

That is a challenging Word, brother. "Avoid" suggests we not even bother with the apologetics. I have to say, I am not impressed with the fruit born of doing it otherwise, excep that I think I learn a lot myself.

The object of the avoidance is when people are declaring something to be "knowledge" or "science" and yet it's really a fallacy; it's full of contradictions (especially with Scripture) and does not compare itself to Scripture.

You don't need to avoid conversations (even with non-believers) when trying to reach them. But, when it turns into "irreverent" (disrespectful - exhibiting lack of respect; rude and discourteous) babble, then it's time to turn away and cut your losses.

 

[laptoppop]

But, when it turns into "irreverent" (disrespectful - exhibiting lack of respect; rude and discourteous) babble, then it's time to turn away and cut your losses.

Amen. The rhetoric and attacks get real old. (oh, did you know we're "hiding out" here because we don't dare to face them? Give me a break!)

Here's a typical example of the "respectful" posts we have to deal with (note - this was in response to me suggesting that "literalist" is not the best way to describe typical YEC Biblical interpretation -- to me, it implies that we would interpret EVERYTHING literally and not recognize the beautiful poetry, stories, word pictures, parables, etc.)

You know, I'm just about done hearing this from you. I don't care if you don't like calling yourself a literalist. In fact, I don't think any of us care. We're not necessarily directing our arguments at you. There are dozens of creationists that we've encountered here over the years that describe themselves as literalists. We're using the label they've provided us, and it just so happens that it's also pretty accurate. So stop calling it a straw-man argument. We didn't build it. If you think it's a straw-man, get together with your fellow creationists and come up with a united front to put forward.

Lord knows you guys could use one.

And they wonder why we tire of it. sheesh!

 

[laptoppop]

Oh, and from the same member that posts here -- but this was in the general creation/evo forum, not this one... I posted about the watchmaker reasoning (creation looks designed -- it LOOKS like it has a designer -- folks specifically teach one must get beyond the "appearance" of design). This was called a fallacy and I posted it had not been disproven. (I still believe that) Here's a couple of the replies:

And despite the fact that you're too busy being amazed by the world around you to study it in any sort of critical fashion, it remains a fallacy.

and then I had the GALL to ask how it has been proven a fallacy and I got:

Just because something appears so intricate that you, personally, can't fathom it not being designed doesn't mean that it is.

Nice and respectful, eh? sheesh.

 

[mark kennedy]

I have not posted there for a while now because of the careless treatment of Creationism as doctrine on the part of TEs. Currently I am trying to learn something about this whole business of web design so I'm slowly losing interest in the constant clash of worldviews.

The scientific aspects of evolutionary biology are very interesting but the evidence gets conflated and many of the arguments leveled by evolutionists are disingenuous at best. If you bring up a substantive point they will simply run the conversation in circles and derail the thread. I don't feel that is a productive way to spend your spare time.

Bottom line, I fail to see the point of a discussion of Origins Theology in a climate where the traditional view of the Church and the clear testimony of Scripture is subordinate to modernist false assumptions.

Right now I just browse the forum occasionally making a comment in here.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[busterdog]

The object of the avoidance is when people are declaring something to be "knowledge" or "science" and yet it's really a fallacy; it's full of contradictions (especially with Scripture) and does not compare itself to Scripture.

You don't need to avoid conversations (even with non-believers) when trying to reach them. But, when it turns into "irreverent" (disrespectful - exhibiting lack of respect; rude and discourteous) babble, then it's time to turn away and cut your losses.

OK.

 

[timlamb]

I too am tired of the bickering. I used to spend alot of time on strange threads arguing the fundamenalist view piont, and I learned alot. But satan has been causing division in my church and friends and family, and I come here for a healthy escape into biblical discussion. Like the rest of you I went over there and made some bold statements and asked some questions and I am still brused and battered.

By the way, thanks to all who supported me.

Try the post trib guys and the universalists. Discussing opposing views with those guys is painful too.

I don't know which is worse, to be told my belief is satanic and am going to hell, or to be told that I called them satanic and said they were going to hell. Doesn't matter, by the time it gets that far it is just a verbal fist fight.

Those things help me grow though so God makes all things good for His purpose.

God Bless,
Tim

 

[busterdog]

I too am tired of the bickering. I used to spend alot of time on strange threads arguing the fundamenalist view piont, and I learned alot. But satan has been causing division in my church and friends and family, and I come here for a healthy escape into biblical discussion.

FUnny thing about division is you can look up all the doctrines that divide in the Bible and you will find a few (Christ came in the flesh, Christ is risen, etc.) but very few. THough, you will find "division" as something condemned.

That's the nice thing about this forum. Not as challenging. But no static.

 

[FallingWaters]

FUnny thing about division is you can look up all the doctrines that divide in the Bible and you will find a few (Christ came in the flesh, Christ is risen, etc.) but very few. THough, you will find "division" as something condemned.

That's the nice thing about this forum. Not as challenging. But no static.

I find them crowing about the same things they were crowing about a year ago.
We don't change their minds,
and they don't change ours.
In the end, they are further emboldened.

I think we ought to use this forum for the same purpose,
to embolden ourselves and encourage ourselves
in what we believe to be the truth.

 

[timlamb]

I find them crowing about the same things they were crowing about a year ago.
We don't change their minds,
and they don't change ours.
In the end, they are further emboldened.

I think we out to use this forum for the same purpose,
to embolden ourselves and encourage ourselves
in what we believe to be the truth.

AMEN

 

[FallingWaters]

I find them crowing about the same things they were crowing about a year ago.
We don't change their minds,
and they don't change ours.
In the end, they are further emboldened.

I think we ought to use this forum for the same purpose,
to embolden ourselves and encourage ourselves
in what we believe to be the truth.

They can't post in here,
so what do they do?!?
They PM me!
This is the second or third time I get my privacy invaded by a non-Creationist who feels obligated to correct me.
GOODBYE