What Old Testament text did Jesus use ?

[Tyndale]

Does the New Testament (Jesus) quote from any of the apocryphal books written between 400 - 200 BC?

 

[ContentInHim]

Wow, great question!

 

[HypnoToad]

I don't know if there are direct quotes, but there are a couple lines that are commonly argued to be taken from Apocryphal books (I don't have the specific references). But note that just a quote from one of them is not an endorsement of their inspiration. For example, Paul quotes two non-Christian philosophers in his letters, but no one thinks those non-Christian writings are inspired.

 

[staveoffzombies]

Jesus used the King James Old Testament.

DUH.

 

[Oblio]

Jesus used the King James Old Testament.

DUH.

 

[Oblio]

Does the New Testament (Jesus) quote from any of the apocryphal books written between 400 - 200 BC?

A better question would be:

Are there any OT books that are not quoted in the NT ?

 

[Darth Fabulous]

Does the New Testament (Jesus) quote from any of the apocryphal books written between 400 - 200 BC?

If the "Apocrypha" is not inspired, why does Jesus celebrate the Feast of the Dedication (Festival of Lights, now called Hanukkah)? This Festival is established in the 1st book of Maccabees.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Christ repeatedly quotes from Sirach and Baruch.

He probably did not use the Septuigint, since he probably was not a Greek-speaker. But we don't know of any other contemporary condices in the Hebrew or Aramaic (the Pershitta came a few centuries later).

I imagine they just had collections of Hebrew scrolls in the synagogue. It's not like they owned personal Bibles. Nor was the canon closed at the time. The greater concern was with being within an authentically 'Hebrew worldview,' not a Hebrew text.

 

[HypnoToad]

If the "Apocrypha" is not inspired, why does Jesus celebrate the Feast of the Dedication (Festival of Lights, now called Hanukkah)? This Festival is established in the 1st book of Maccabees.

Just because it mentions the establishment of the festival doesn't make it inspired. Non-inspiration doesn't remove the possibility of containing historically accurate information.

 

[Darth Fabulous]

Christ repeatedly quotes from Sirach and Baruch.

He probably did not use the Septuigint, since he probably was not a Greek-speaker. But we don't know of any other contemporary condices in the Hebrew or Aramaic (the Pershitta came a few centuries later).

I imagine they just had collections of Hebrew scrolls in the synagogue. It's not like they owned personal Bibles. Nor was the canon closed at the time. The greater concern was with being within an authentically 'Hebrew worldview,' not a Hebrew text.

Technically, Jesus could have spoken and read any language He needed to.

 

[Darth Fabulous]

Just because it mentions the establishment of the festival doesn't make it inspired. Non-inspiration doesn't remove the possibility of containing historically accurate information.

Well, then as Oblio said, maybe we should compile a list of all of the books that Jesus never quoted from and throw them out as well, if that is the criteria.

 

[dies-l]

If the "Apocrypha" is not inspired, why does Jesus celebrate the Feast of the Dedication (Festival of Lights, now called Hanukkah)? This Festival is established in the 1st book of Maccabees.

Probably the same reason that Christians celebrate Christmas from Dec. 25 to Jan. 6 (or just Dec. 25 if you prefer) every year: tradition! Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us that Jesus was born around this time, and the evidence the Bible does provide suggests that Jesus was probably not born in the early winter. But, according to your line of reasoning, if a book were to be found that explicitly claimed Jesus' birthday as Dec. 25, we would have to accept it as inspired scripture. On the other hand, we could conclude that whether Jesus celebrated Hannukah could have much more to do with tradition than it has to do with whether the book that inspired that tradition is inerrant and inspired.

Frankly, I haven't quite decided what I feel about the Apocrypha. I presume that the apocryphal books have some value in providing spiritual guidance, but I doubt that they warrant the same deference as the rest of Bible. But, I dunno. But, it seems a weak argument to point to traditions that Jesus may have honored as proof of its inerrancy or inspiration.

 

[Knowledge3]

Does the New Testament (Jesus) quote from any of the apocryphal books written between 400 - 200 BC?

Jesus quoted the oral Torah. (ieeuteronomy)

 

[Darth Fabulous]

Probably the same reason that Christians celebrate Christmas from Dec. 25 to Jan. 6 (or just Dec. 25 if you prefer) every year: tradition! Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us that Jesus was born around this time, and the evidence the Bible does provide suggests that Jesus was probably not born in the early winter. But, according to your line of reasoning, if a book were to be found that explicitly claimed Jesus' birthday as Dec. 25, we would have to accept it as inspired scripture. On the other hand, we could conclude that whether Jesus celebrated Hannukah could have much more to do with tradition than it has to do with whether the book that inspired that tradition is inerrant and inspired.

Frankly, I haven't quite decided what I feel about the Apocrypha. I presume that the apocryphal books have some value in providing spiritual guidance, but I doubt that they warrant the same deference as the rest of Bible. But, I dunno. But, it seems a weak argument to point to traditions that Jesus may have honored as proof of its inerrancy or inspiration.

So, Jesus hated man-made traditions, but followed them anyway?

 

[dies-l]

So, Jesus hated man-made traditions, but followed them anyway?

Please explain your underlying assumption that Jesus hates all man-made traditions.

 

[TigerBunny]

Well, then as Oblio said, maybe we should compile a list of all of the books that Jesus never quoted from and throw them out as well, if that is the criteria.

Interesting question...worth more study. For the moment here is a nice resource:

http://www.bible.ca/b-canon-jesus-favored-old-testament-textual-manuscript.htm

 

[Darth Fabulous]

The better question is, who had the authority to determine the Christian canon of Scripture after the Pentecost.

 

[HypnoToad]

Well, then as Oblio said, maybe we should compile a list of all of the books that Jesus never quoted from and throw them out as well, if that is the criteria.

I don't see how that logically follows at all from what I said.

The fact that a quote, in and of itself, doesn't prove inspiration in no way suggests that a lack of a quote then disproves inspiration. There is no logical connection there whatsoever.

 

[TigerBunny]

The better question is, who had the authority to determine the Christian canon of Scripture after the Pentecost.

That would be a different thread I think.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Technically, Jesus could have spoken and read any language He needed to.

I believe in an incarnation involving kenosis up until the resurrection (with perhaps a foreshadowing in the transfiguration).