I've encountered numerous individuals on this forum that were once Young Earth Creationist, but now are Theistic Evolutionist, but I never seen the reverse.
I'm curious to know if they even exist?
I'm curious to know if they even exist?
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Is there such a thing as a TE to a YEC convert?
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Scotishfury09
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Yes. I'm one. Granted, I changed before I came here, so it's a little different.
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I've encountered numerous individuals on this forum that were once Young Earth Creationist, but now are Theistic Evolutionist, but I never seen the reverse.
I'm curious to know if they even exist?
From time to time a YEC has proclaimed s/he used to be an evolutionist, but the lack of understanding they display about evolution leads one to believe they had never really thought about it. They had had maybe an hour or so of badly mangled high school exposure to evolution in science class and had just supposed it was so because it was in the textbook.
Such a loose connection to evolution is easily broken if one is later exposed to a systematic presentation of creationism.
One thing all such TE to YEC converts have in common is that religious conversion always occurs first, then the turn to creationism. I have never heard of anyone being convinced of creationism solely from an examination of the evidence.
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I'm sure there is, but it's a lot more rare. From a lot of people that proclaim they used to be "Evolutionists" before they converted to YECism, they seem to not understand evolution or have misconceptions about what it actually is. What I would find interesting is how many biologists/physicists switch from evolutionists to Creationists. I assume that number is very low, where as the number switching from Creationist to non-Creationist is a lot higher. We see that happen on the boards all the time.
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LewisWildermuth
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If that is your marker for determining who is right, then the rare flat-earthers have common YECs beat by lightyears.
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You were a non-believer who believed in evolution, or a believer who believed in evolution?
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Assyrian
Basically pulling an Obama (Thanks Calminian!)
No, I think he is talking about modern flat earthers
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html
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Smidlee
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Do you know anyone personally who is a flat earther? I surely don't. I do know someone who would go online and argue for a view that IRL they totally disagree with just to get a debate started.
P.S Come to think of it, I starting to wonder if this fits hithesh. I'll give him the benefit of doubt.
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lol!
Hey! I wag my finger at poor logic, even if it's done for a cause that I agree with.
But I am curious as to what you believe I argued for, that I totally disagree with?
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Assyrian
Basically pulling an Obama (Thanks Calminian!)
That just goes to prove LewisWildermuth's point that they are much rarer than YECs.
I am aware of the danger of flat earth trolls (very Terry Pratchett them) which is why I didn't give a link to a flat earth website which could be a spoof, or even wiki which is also vulnerable, but to Talk Origins which does check its sources, even if you don't agree with them.
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But that's the problem, isn't it? The Creationist position is completely wrong in the scientific world, that believing in a young Earth or global Flood has the same validity as a flat Earth. There is no debate in the scientific world whether or not evolution occurs or if the Earth is old, just like there is no debate whether the Earth is flat. Your position has absolutely no scientific validity.
This problem is compounded by Poe's Law. Anyone can easily pretend to be a Creationist and other Creationists will almost never correct them. I could make up a username and post about pres-plit/post-split worlds, or hollow Earth's, fire breathing dinosaurs, and it would be impossible to tell if I was joking or not because Creationists don't police their own.
If a Creationist tried to do the same, pretending to be an evolutionist, then as soon as they begun posting false information about evolution, they'd get pounced on by other evolutionists. This keeps our position creditable where as the Creationist position is uncreditable because all positions seem to be valid.
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LewisWildermuth
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I have met one in my lifetime, I do not know if they felt this way all their lives or if it was some mental condition... They are long gone by now, so I cannot investigate further.
I have met far more geocentrists though. That is another subset that would win if rarity is the determiner of truth.
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I was a firm believer in TE. I was taught ToE and never ever had any problem making it consistant with my belief in God. Then.....I got saved and the Holy Spirit sent me back to school! Now I'm YEC which I didn't even know existed until long after I believed in a 6-day creation and 6K year old earth!
Now I'm YEC which I didn't even know existed until long after I believed in a 6-day creation and 6K year old earth!
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