Transgender Student Runs for Prom King

[fanatiquefou]

Broom! Broom! (I'm a fire truck)
Let's hope those hateful people don't try to keep me from driving in the fire parade.

What exactly is your point here?

 

[Douger]

What exactly is your point here?

Kinda what I'm wondering about this whole thread/story.

 

[fanatiquefou]

Kinda what I'm wondering about this whole thread/story.

You do realize how far off the mark your analogy is?

 

[SurferH2O]

When someone is completely transfixed with their sexuality over any other aspect of their being they have huge issues.

 

[kiwimac]

Only someone who does not understand just how overwhelming it can be for transgendered folk could write that.

 

[CCGirl]

Only someone who does not understand just how overwhelming it can be for transgendered folk could write that.

I am not transgendered, but I can still have great empathy for anyone! Sometimes that doesnot seem to be the prevalent idea coming from the religious folk.

 

[marblehead]

When someone is completely transfixed with their sexuality over any other aspect of their being they have huge issues.

It's better than being transfixed on everyone else's sexuality.

 

[Pogue]

I am not transgendered, but I can still have great empathy for anyone! Sometimes that doesnot seem to be the prevalent idea coming from the religious folk.

Not all of us, although I have to say there doesn't seem to be much understanding on this issue from some of my fellow Christians. I believe that some people are genuinely born in the wrong body and the wrong sex. To believe that somebody would choose to change gender just because they want to annoy fundamentalists or because they're sinful in some way is crazy, frankly.

 

[CCGirl]

Not all of us, although I have to say there doesn't seem to be much understanding on this issue from some of my fellow Christians. I believe that some people are genuinely born in the wrong body and the wrong sex. To believe that somebody would choose to change gender just because they want to annoy fundamentalists or because they're sinful in some way is crazy, frankly.

I meant no offense, hence the use of the word prevelant!

 

[Pogue]

I meant no offense, hence the use of the word prevelant!

Oh, none taken! I agree with you, actually. I just wanted to speak out and try and go against the trend.

 

[Sycophant]

Oh who cares?! It's Prom King - if his/her classmates vote for her then good on them.

It's not like the fate of civilisation hangs on the outcome of the Fresno High School prom king and queen votes.

 

[Sycophant]

When someone is completely transfixed with their sexuality over any other aspect of their being they have huge issues.

I'm pretty sure just about every teenager I've ever known was largely transfixed on their sexuality. And they were all quite comfortable with the biological gender.

 

[Wolseley]

You do realize how far off the mark your analogy is?

I don't think he's far off the mark at all; in fact, I think he's spot-on.

You have a guy who insists he's a fire truck, and wants to drive in the parade with all the other fire trucks. When everyone else says, "You can't do that, because you're not a fire truck, you're a human being," he retorts, "You're just manifesting hate against me because I'm a fire truck trapped in a human being's body! I feel like a fire truck inside, and therefore, I am a fire truck! Anyone who says otherwise is a bigot and intolerant!"

Not at all different from a girl who wants to be Prom King. If anyone else says, "You can't do that, because you're not a boy, you're a girl," the predictable reply is, "You're just manifesting hate against her because of her gender identity! She feels like a male inside, and therefore she is a male!"

I think Douger's point is that in both cases, you have someone who, for whatever reason, is trying to be something they're not, and if it is pointed out that they are not the thing they are trying to be, the person pointing it out is leaped on and branded "intolerant", "undiversified", "bigoted", and all the rest of the usual names in the Politically Correct mantra.

Whatever. This isn't a society any more---it's just one big gigantic cuckoo clock.

"I tell you, I really AM Napoleon!"

 

[DhaliClone]

I don't think he's far off the mark at all; in fact, I think he's spot-on.

Except humans and fire trucks aren't the same thing, so using them as analagous to each other doesn't make any sense.

Human sexuality - sex, gender, tendencies, attraction, etc - is a very complicated issue, but by making it as black and white as you have shows you don't understand it. It's not as simple as "I'm a boy" or "I'm a girl," no matter if you wish it was.

Real-life doesn't work according to your idealistic desires.

 

[happydapy]

I think it is good for the school to do.

 

[jsn112]

I love the irony of this:

What I find ironic is how can one loves Jesus and also loves the worldly things, too.

 

[I <3 Abraham]

I think it is good for the school to do.

What people are missing here is that this guy was nominated for prom king by his classmates. He can win only if he gets more votes than any other person which he almost certainly will. The reason: high school students love to cause a ruckus with things and having a transgendered homecoming king is like flipping the bird to authority. Kids like that.

P.S- This kinda thing is old hat, my graduating class had two girls as cutest couple. They won because they were, get this, popular. *gasp* The youngins these days are down with teh gays, time for some serius threats of hellfire to straighten out this generation!

 

[Ginny]

perfect.

 

[SimplyMe]

I don't think he's far off the mark at all; in fact, I think he's spot-on.

You have a guy who insists he's a fire truck, and wants to drive in the parade with all the other fire trucks. When everyone else says, "You can't do that, because you're not a fire truck, you're a human being," he retorts, "You're just manifesting hate against me because I'm a fire truck trapped in a human being's body! I feel like a fire truck inside, and therefore, I am a fire truck! Anyone who says otherwise is a bigot and intolerant!"

Not at all different from a girl who wants to be Prom King. If anyone else says, "You can't do that, because you're not a boy, you're a girl," the predictable reply is, "You're just manifesting hate against her because of her gender identity! She feels like a male inside, and therefore she is a male!"

I think Douger's point is that in both cases, you have someone who, for whatever reason, is trying to be something they're not, and if it is pointed out that they are not the thing they are trying to be, the person pointing it out is leaped on and branded "intolerant", "undiversified", "bigoted", and all the rest of the usual names in the Politically Correct mantra.

Whatever. This isn't a society any more---it's just one big gigantic cuckoo clock.

"I tell you, I really AM Napoleon!"

Yet this raises the question of what makes a person male or female? As has been stated on this thread, genitals can't be the sole determining factor as there are a percentage of children born as hermaphrodites (or intersexed). Genetics doesn't really do it either, as not only do we have "XX" and XY", but some people have "XXY", "XXXY", "XXYY", "XYY", and even "X0" (actually, a single X without the second gene for gender). And, in case things aren't confused enough yet, you have people who are XX and were born with male genitals and people who are XY and are born with female genitals -- most of these conditions have those fancy scientific names like "5-alpha reductase deficiency", "androgen insensitivity syndrome", "Aphallia", "Clitiromegaly", "Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia"... and I'm only up to the letter "C". So, again, what is it that actually determines an individuals gender?

It isn't unthinkable that a "girl" could really be a boy. Now, I'd be interested in hearing about the condition that makes a boy a fire truck.

 

[Anatole]

It will be interesting to see when and if we go to heaven what the real answer is to why some people are born one gender but feel they are another. I have a 20 year old nephew whom we just found out recently is gay. When he was about 8 years old, I remember making a comment to my husband that "he seems very feminine". We both agreed at that time that he will probably be gay one day. Now, 12 years later he's "come out of the closet" and says he realized he was different from the other boys when he was in third grade and they got a male substitute teacher and all the girls were excited because he was so cute. Our nephew admitted at that same moment he felt like the girls. He also had a crush on the teacher. This tells me that there must be something chemically and possibly mentally wrong with these kids to have these uncontrollable feelings. My question to God is, why were they born this way?