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Hello, hello. Was thinking about this the other day, about how Jesus and God love us all as only an omnibenevolent being can, and then I realised that I don't even know what love is! I could not define it in terms that seemed suitable.

And thus I ask my Christian brothers and sisters to help me, in my hour of need. What is Love?

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It can't be defined with words. If I wrote you an explanation that was as large as all of the books in the world combined, my definition would still be lacking and insufficient to the true definition of love. We can say "I love you", or as Christians "God loves you" or "God is love"; but what does that mean? To better know it's definition, you must seek to feel it through action, contemplation, and embracing relationships with people and nature; to seek to hear or read the definition is to walk in the opposite direction that we all must go, if we ever want to be closer to the types of people God intended us to be.
 
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Oh, you mean that we use the word 'love' even though we don't know what it is

It can't be defined with words. If I wrote you an explanation that was as large as all of the books in the world combined, my definition would still be lacking and insufficient to the true definition of love. We can say "I love you", or as Christians "God loves you" or "God is love"; but what does that mean? To better know it's definition, you must seek to feel it through action, contemplation, and embracing relationships with people and nature; to seek to hear or read the definition is to walk in the opposite direction that we all must go, if we ever want to be closer to the types of people God intended us to be.
 
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I'd argue we have a sense of what it is, (that being as much as our human mind can comprehend it), but it's fullness in depth and beauty we are incapable of fully understanding. Yet we still embrace its movements within let's say, a mother and her child and how she treats and thinks of that child - she can't fully explain to you her love for that child, but if you take a step back and watch her, she'll be able to express that love through her actions.
 
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Hello, hello. Was thinking about this the other day, about how Jesus and God love us all as only an omnibenevolent being can, and then I realised that I don't even know what love is! I could not define it in terms that seemed suitable.

And thus I ask my Christian brothers and sisters to help me, in my hour of need. What is Love?

Thanks, SoS

One thing for sure.....................I don't have it! Brotherly kindness, maybe! But not Agape Love.......................I really want it!

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Do you think if you knew of a thing, you could talk about it? That if I knew about Beethoven's music, I could describe it to you in detail? And if not, then I would not be able to properly tell whether a thing possessed it or not?

I'd argue we have a sense of what it is, (that being as much as our human mind can comprehend it), but it's fullness in depth and beauty we are incapable of fully understanding. Yet we still embrace its movements within let's say, a mother and her child and how she treats and thinks of that child - she can't fully explain to you her love for that child, but if you take a step back and watch her, she'll be able to express that love through her actions.
 
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Do you think if you knew of a thing, you could talk about it? That if I knew about Beethoven's music, I could describe it to you in detail? And if not, then I would not be able to properly tell whether a thing possessed it or not?

You could get your doctorate in Beethoven, and could then describe Beethoven's music to me in great detail. You could never though, tell me about Beethoven's heart down to the very smallest detail, because we can never know. What you could tell me about Beethoven, is that which: A. Has been revealed to you about Beethoven, and B. That which Beethoven revealed about himself, (because there was still quite a bit to him that's a mystery).

You can tell me about love all you want, but you can never tell me that you understand and can fathom it in it's entire form. If you do, then you're limiting it by saying a finite mind can grasp onto this idea completely that's believed by many to be embraced by the infinite God as His main character trait; thus it would be limiting God as well.
 
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that seemed suitable. And thus I ask my Christian brothers and sisters to help me said:
Love is a word that means something to some, but not to others.
The Greeks have three different words for love to express what they ment.
To me Love towards another is giving them what they don't deserve. Like God who died for me and I did not deserve it.

Did you know that a man does not want females to love him? When a women tells a man I love you he thinks of sex. Not that the women ment that, but men do think that way. Now If a women tells a man that she respects him, He hears the words I love you.

You will touch a man where his heart is if you tell him that you respect him
A women need to feel that she is loved with out touching her. She want to see so she can feel. She needs words to hear.

Love an english word, but it has lost its meaning over the years.

Hosea6:6
 
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I see what you mean. If a man were to do me or my family a good deed, and I set his house on fire, then it would be classified as love. For he surely deserves something good.

To me Love towards another is giving them what they don't deserve.
 
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Hello, hello. Was thinking about this the other day, about how Jesus and God love us all as only an omnibenevolent being can, and then I realised that I don't even know what love is! I could not define it in terms that seemed suitable.

And thus I ask my Christian brothers and sisters to help me, in my hour of need. What is Love?

Thanks, SoS

Asking "what is art" begs to be shown. Let me show you what love is:

John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lays down his life for his friends.

John 10:15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.

John 11:5 Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus. 6 So, when he heard that Lazarus was ill, he stayed two days longer in the place where he was.

Jesus waits for Lazarus to suffer and die; this is love, that he would raise him up again later for the sake of the faith of all who would hear.

Luke 17:29 but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all—

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” 5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it.

These are just a few examples of love. Love is doing what is necessary so that God may be ultimately glorified in this world. If I merely say that love is to be kind to your neighbors, or to do the "best" that you can for them, than perhaps you will work for their comfort, health, and wealth? But that is not necessarily what is best for them.

God is ultimate love because he hurts us to help us; he chastises us to bring us into greater faith in him, so that he may be glorified.

I believe it is helpful to consider the aim of love in order to help understand what love is.
 
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But that is not necessarily what is best for them.

Do you mean that doing what is best for one's neighbour is love?

[/quote]God is ultimate love because he hurts us to help us; he chastises us to bring us into greater faith in him, so that he may be glorified.[/quote]

I have heard this, but I have also heard of such things as 'love of a vice'; things condemned as sinful in the Bible.

I believe it is helpful to consider the aim of love in order to help understand what love is.

What therefore, is the aim of love?
 
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Do you mean that doing what is best for one's neighbour is love?

Yes, if we understand in the absolute sense what is "best." Read on...


I have heard this, but I have also heard of such things as 'love of a vice'; things condemned as sinful in the Bible.
Such use of the word "love" is acceptable in English and even most languages; it is common to share the same word for a sense of good and bad love. However, ultimately, we are commanded not to "love" the things of this world (1 John 2:15). In fact, it says if we do love the things of this world, we DO NOT love God. So what is that definition of love? Read on.


What therefore, is the aim of love?
To bring about the glorification of the ultimate object of our affections. Therefore, to love a brother is to assist him in any way to bring about the glorification of God (the ultimate object of our love).

So, to love the world is to bring about the glorification of the "world" (in the sense of this world of sin). To glorify the created rather than the creator is wickedness (Romans 1:25); not to mention that the created (the world) is now warped and marred heavily by the ravages of sin (Romans 8:22).

After all, what do you do when you express your love to someone? You glorify (honor) them. It is not wrong to bring about an appropriate level of glorification to your spouse, because you are called to show forth the glory of God in others, and that is accomplished by showing the nobility and honor with which God's creatures were created with. Additionally, honoring your father and mother (Matt. 19:19) respects a God-created, God-instituted order by which we reflect our relationship with God himself as our Father (Matt 6:9).

So, as Jesus warned about in the gospels, to love anyone more than him (including family) makes you unworthy of Christ (Matt 10:37); after all, you would not love anyone "more than" him if you understood how to truly love God, for God is due ultimate love and in the highest place in our hearts, a place that not only ranks above everyone else, but it guides and directs how and why we love others. We don't just enthrone God at the center of our hearts, we have all other loves orbit around that center in appropriate fashion.

He is the sun in the solar system, and every other celestial body orbits around that sun as the center of all things. This is, of course, a limited metaphor.

Note Acts 21:

11 And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘This is how the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’ ” 12 When we heard this, we and the people there urged him not to go up to Jerusalem. 13 Then Paul answered, “What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be imprisoned but even to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.” 14 And since he would not be persuaded, we ceased and said, “Let the will of the Lord be done.”

Here we have a prophetic warning of what is to come, as well as commands from friends that Paul not go. Paul, however, will not be dissuaded; he's going to Jerusalem, live or die. If your friend was going somewhere where you know he would be imprisoned, and possibly killed, would you let him go? What would be most loving? If your ultimate goal is to glorify your friend, than it is NOT glorious to rot in prison; you would seek to make his life comfortable and free of pain. However, Paul knew his mission: the glorification of the Lord Jesus Christ. Thus, Paul did not resist death, if death brought about God's glory. This is ultimate love for God. If we truly and deeply loved God, and if we understood the situation, we would pray for strength for Paul, perhaps help equip him for his journey, and wouldn't for an instant try to discourage him from going where he might be imprisoned or die; after all, that is where he will best glorify God for that period of his life.

I hope this helps!

I'd also like to repent here of my statement earlier. I said, "let me show you what love is." I believe that statement was made in arrogance and lacked humility: may God show me love so that I may be able to show a glimpse to others. I repent for sounding so arrogantly knowledgeable on a subject that I am a mere student of.
 
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