Anointing house with ammonia?

[TheGloryisHere]

No a person I knew did this and I asked why. He said because the Lord told Him too. The thing is he did this but the spirits in his house got worst. So I would assume he realize it didn't work but he doesn't. I told him to get some oil but he went quiet on me lol


I thought this was very strange, very very strange. God even gave Him directions. He told him to get a white cloth, wet it with ammonia, and wipe the doors down.

demons in da dirt! Clean em out!

 

[TheGloryisHere]

only when its time to clean the floors.

I use fresh smelling pinesol

 

[TheGloryisHere]

Just be careful of accusing him of something.

When talking about obedience, an instance came to mind --
I had allergies, and God told me to take alfalfa or parsley every day. I told someone, and they were aghast -- alfalfa triggers allergies for people who have hayfever. They thought I would go into anaphylactic shock.

In my case, alfalfa was okay, and God knew it would be... the nutrients were what He was going for. Just like the disinfecting might have been what God was going for, with your friend. Ammonia by itself is not demonic, and your friend really might have been hearing God.

We don't live by superstition.

could be.

 

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I'm going to call him next week to make sure that the deominc activity has ceased.

Throughout the whole time he was telling me whats going on in this house my spirit kept showing me a 9 year old and a 12 year old. I didn't know the sex of the 9 year old and I did know the sex of the 12 year old. At first I thought the spirits came from them.

I'm trying to find the source but it could be the people who lived there before

 

[razzelflabben]

I don't believe God put you in harms way. There are some things He told me to do that may "look" bad or didn't make sense. I just trust HIM and it ALWAYS turn out into good.

I agree and it is the force of my post, that God doesn't put us in harms way. So if there is a position of harm, that being increased demonic activity in this case. Then either the message didn't come from God or the message was incomplete. Too many times we hear voices that sound "Godly" and we apply them to God's voice when really they aren't. It is this very reason why decernment of the voices are important and why we need to test them.

As to judgement, I don't know the people involved or the situation. All I know is what has been said here on the thread. Of what has been said, one of two things would be consistant with scripture. 1. wasn't God's voice or 2. Wasn't the whole message. What other possibles exist?

 

[327]

I agree and it is the force of my post, that God doesn't put us in harms way. So if there is a position of harm, that being increased demonic activity in this case. Then either the message didn't come from God or the message was incomplete. Too many times we hear voices that sound "Godly" and we apply them to God's voice when really they aren't. It is this very reason why decernment of the voices are important and why we need to test them.

As to judgement, I don't know the people involved or the situation. All I know is what has been said here on the thread. Of what has been said, one of two things would be consistant with scripture. 1. wasn't God's voice or 2. Wasn't the whole message. What other possibles exist?

I thought I told you that the activity increased when his aunt was going around threaten to kill people. i think she wanted kill her child. She was angry. He also told me that she can be manlipulative sometimes.

I don't know what God told Him and I wont say that God didn't speak to him

 

[razzelflabben]

I don't know what God told Him and I wont say that God didn't speak to him

Nor would I which was the point of my post, that if God spoke, then, either it wasn't God's voice or it wasn't the whole message. At least as the story was related. I don't know what God told him, that is why we can't judge. But if it brought with it an increase of demonic activity, directly or through someone close to the situation, then there is a problem and it is best to warn that the voices we hear must be tested to see if they are from God or not. But you know what, that apparently isn't mild enough for you, apparently you don't like the passages that tell us to test the spirits to see if they are from God or not. By allowing for the option that the message might not have been complete, we are allowing that he actually did hear the voice of God are we not? Of course we are. But we are also warning that not all voices are God's in fact, the bible tells us that there are a lot of voices in the world and they all have their place. But we should not confuse them with the voice of God.

So now, a simple biblical message is turning you venumous and so it is time for me to leave. Enjoy your chat with those not so open about the things of God.

 

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Nor would I which was the point of my post, that if God spoke, then, either it wasn't God's voice or it wasn't the whole message. At least as the story was related. I don't know what God told him, that is why we can't judge. But if it brought with it an increase of demonic activity, directly or through someone close to the situation, then there is a problem and it is best to warn that the voices we hear must be tested to see if they are from God or not. But you know what, that apparently isn't mild enough for you, apparently you don't like the passages that tell us to test the spirits to see if they are from God or not. By allowing for the option that the message might not have been complete, we are allowing that he actually did hear the voice of God are we not? Of course we are. But we are also warning that not all voices are God's in fact, the bible tells us that there are a lot of voices in the world and they all have their place. But we should not confuse them with the voice of God.

So now, a simple biblical message is turning you venumous and so it is time for me to leave. Enjoy your chat with those not so open about the things of God.

I mean its fine what your saying, I just never been in a position where I heard a voice that was not God. It was either the enemy or God. The enemy always oppressed my spirit when he spoke to me, God always edifies. I test the spirit and I know when My God speaks. His presence is always there to give me confirmation that its Him.

He said he knew it was God and I trust his judgement. If my friend is wrong. So what, he can learn from his mistakes.

I understand what your saying. I just don't get what other voices can you hear

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

While I've never heard of it that does not necessarily mean that God did not tell "him" (your friend) to use amonia. If God did then then he should use amonia. However, the technique should not then be put "into a box" (not saying that it is) and then have an "Amonia Ministry" start up as a result....with a book and a movie to follow close behind.

 

[razzelflabben]

I mean its fine what your saying, I just never been in a position where I heard a voice that was not God. It was either the enemy or God. The enemy always oppressed my spirit when he spoke to me, God always edifies. I test the spirit and I know when My God speaks. His presence is always there to give me confirmation that its Him.

He said he knew it was God and I trust his judgement. If my friend is wrong. So what, he can learn from his mistakes.

I understand what your saying. I just don't get what other voices can you hear

Well, seems to me you would have your own voice, conscience, others voices like in my mother or fathers voice ringing in my head, then you would have demonic voices, and God's voice. Seems to me to pretty much cover the basis. Point is, not every voice we hear is God's and I have talked with lots of people who think that conscience and intuition are God's voice, never testing the voice, never seeking to know what is of God and what is not. I have even been attacked (verbally) for suggesting that God's voice sounds different than all these other voices and can be identified as such.

I want to make it very clear, that I don't know if your friend heard God's voice or not, and I also want to make it very clear that it isn't my place to know. What is mine however, is to discuss the possibles in a situation like this because it will come up again sometime I am sure. Not this exact thing but the issue of God saying something that appears to be "harmful". Not all voices we hear are God.

 

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Well, seems to me you would have your own voice, conscience, others voices like in my mother or fathers voice ringing in my head, then you would have demonic voices, and God's voice. Seems to me to pretty much cover the basis. Point is, not every voice we hear is God's and I have talked with lots of people who think that conscience and intuition are God's voice, never testing the voice, never seeking to know what is of God and what is not. I have even been attacked (verbally) for suggesting that God's voice sounds different than all these other voices and can be identified as such.

I want to make it very clear, that I don't know if your friend heard God's voice or not, and I also want to make it very clear that it isn't my place to know. What is mine however, is to discuss the possibles in a situation like this because it will come up again sometime I am sure. Not this exact thing but the issue of God saying something that appears to be "harmful". Not all voices we hear are God.

When I think about my mother I hear her voice or I think about what someone said but spiritually. Its either good or bad. The ONLY way I can tell is through testing the spirits. If I do not feel peace in my heart about it and the presence of God, I ignore it. If I feel heaviness in my spirit and oppressed then I don't do it. I'm not "understanding" the voices bit. Its only God or the enemy...not a thousand other voices that I have to figure out if its God or not

 

[heron]

I'm not "understanding" the voices bit. Its only God or the enemy...not a thousand other voices that I have to figure out if its God or not

Think of what the supernatural enemy forces are -- not just one devil that whispers into 6.6 billion ears, but many wayward spirits.

 

[razzelflabben]

When I think about my mother I hear her voice or I think about what someone said but spiritually. Its either good or bad. The ONLY way I can tell is through testing the spirits. If I do not feel peace in my heart about it and the presence of God, I ignore it. If I feel heaviness in my spirit and oppressed then I don't do it. I'm not "understanding" the voices bit. Its only God or the enemy...not a thousand other voices that I have to figure out if its God or not

You've never "argued" with yourself about whether or not to do something? Like lie, or cheat or buy a new car? God's voice is different from all others. His voice isn't our conscience, or our intellect, or our intuition. That is why the prophets of God were 100% 100% of the time, because they didn't speak their own words, but rather the words of God. There are other voices, I don't understand how or what you don't understand about that to make the discussion more relavant.

To identify God's voice from all others requires us to test the spirit, but it is more than a feel good answer, it must also line up with scriptures. Consider this, the bible tells us to anoint with oil. If you friend was told to annoint with amonia (not just clean the door frame) then the voice and the testing thereof do not line up with the bible and must not be God's voice at all. Emotion is only a very minute part of our relationship with God, not it's entirty. In fact, studying the word and hiding it in our hearts so that we don't get off track is part of our biblical instruction.

 

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Think of what the supernatural enemy forces are -- not just one devil that whispers into 6.6 billion ears, but many wayward spirits.

I am very familar with spirits and demons. I'm the person that get called when someone is under demonic or spiritual attacked. Its real simple poisitive or negative. Peace or your dont have peace.

 

[327]

You've never "argued" with yourself about whether or not to do something? Like lie, or cheat or buy a new car? God's voice is different from all others. His voice isn't our conscience, or our intellect, or our intuition. That is why the prophets of God were 100% 100% of the time, because they didn't speak their own words, but rather the words of God. There are other voices, I don't understand how or what you don't understand about that to make the discussion more relavant.

To identify God's voice from all others requires us to test the spirit, but it is more than a feel good answer, it must also line up with scriptures. Consider this, the bible tells us to anoint with oil. If you friend was told to annoint with amonia (not just clean the door frame) then the voice and the testing thereof do not line up with the bible and must not be God's voice at all. Emotion is only a very minute part of our relationship with God, not it's entirty. In fact, studying the word and hiding it in our hearts so that we don't get off track is part of our biblical instruction.

So your telling when God tells me to buy a gift for someone, its not right because its not biblical? Or the times He told me to hold on to my tithes because He had a greater plan than I did, like giving to someone who was in dying need, its not from God?

I'm sorry I'm not religious. I can argue with myself all day but I'm either going to follow the flesh or the spirit. God showed and told me where to live but WAIT its not biblical.

 

[razzelflabben]

So your telling when God tells me to buy a gift for someone, its not right because its not biblical? Or the times He told me to hold on to my tithes because He had a greater plan than I did, like giving to someone who was in dying need, its not from God?

I'm sorry I'm not religious. I can argue with myself all day but I'm either going to follow the flesh or the spirit. God showed and told me where to live but WAIT its not biblical.

Why is it that when someone says something here that people don't "like" then it is twisted and turned to say what it does not? Let's look at your examples one at a time and apply what I said to it okay?

So your telling when God tells me to buy a gift for someone, its not right because its not biblical?

Why did you buy it? Was it out of Love for self or for the other person? The bible tells us to Love one another. My bet is on you doing it because you Love the other person and want to relay that Love to them. Now you may be inspired by self or God, but the gift if given out of Love is a biblical concept and is indeed consistant with the word of God. Humm, isn't that what I said the voice of God sounded like?

Or the times He told me to hold on to my tithes because He had a greater plan than I did, like giving to someone who was in dying need, its not from God?

Again, what was the motivation and did were you surprised by the person sent that needed your help. Did you struggle to give it? Sacrificial love is what the bible is all about, so again, unless I think your motive was self, which I don't, the message is biblical in nature. BTW, I wonder why so many people limit thier giving to tithing and not the sacrifical Love God has commanded us to? But alas a different topic, back to your post.

I'm sorry I'm not religious.[/quote] what a coincident, neither am I

I can argue with myself all day but I'm either going to follow the flesh or the spirit.

Yep, which is why we need to know God's voice, both from the word and how He asks us to apply it to every day life.

God showed and told me where to live but WAIT its not biblical.

Did you bath your decision on where to live in prayer, asking Him to go before you and show you where you should live? My guess yes. Hum, again, the voice of God just as I said. In fact, one of my favorite passages is
James 1:5 (King James Version)

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5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Again, consistant with the word of God, as God's voice will always be.

 

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Why is it that when someone says something here that people don't "like" then it is twisted and turned to say what it does not? Let's look at your examples one at a time and apply what I said to it okay?

So your telling when God tells me to buy a gift for someone, its not right because its not biblical?

Why did you buy it? Was it out of Love for self or for the other person? The bible tells us to Love one another. My bet is on you doing it because you Love the other person and want to relay that Love to them. Now you may be inspired by self or God, but the gift if given out of Love is a biblical concept and is indeed consistant with the word of God. Humm, isn't that what I said the voice of God sounded like?

Or the times He told me to hold on to my tithes because He had a greater plan than I did, like giving to someone who was in dying need, its not from God?

Again, what was the motivation and did were you surprised by the person sent that needed your help. Did you struggle to give it? Sacrificial love is what the bible is all about, so again, unless I think your motive was self, which I don't, the message is biblical in nature. BTW, I wonder why so many people limit thier giving to tithing and not the sacrifical Love God has commanded us to? But alas a different topic, back to your post.

I'm sorry I'm not religious.

what a coincident, neither am I Yep, which is why we need to know God's voice, both from the word and how He asks us to apply it to every day life. Did you bath your decision on where to live in prayer, asking Him to go before you and show you where you should live? My guess yes. Hum, again, the voice of God just as I said. In fact, one of my favorite passages is
James 1:5 (King James Version)

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5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Again, consistant with the word of God, as God's voice will always be.


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No I didn't want to give that person a gift. Actually i didn't really like him but God told me to do it.

Whether its a gift or whatever. I believe that he heard from God. He has not had no demonic activity after he anointed the place with oil. He tried anointing with oil before but didn't get any result. So there was a reason God told him so. This is over. Your words seem different. I didn't know what to do with those tithes but God just said wait. I wanted to give it to someone else but He told me to wait.

Its done now I understand where your coming from. God is the one that leads but we have to be the ones to follow

 

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and I didnt pray and ask the Lord to show me where to live. I was in a bad living situation and I told God I can do this anymore. I was under major spiritual warfare. I didn't feel like reading the word or praying at the time. One place just stood out more than the others. I went there to fill the application and I ask the Lord is this where you want me to be? He showed me the exact apartment I was going to live in and He said this is your apartment. After the whole process, comes to find out I moved into the same place He said I would

I didn't pray for a place to lived. I told Him I am ready to leave, packed my bags, called a few places, one stood out, I went there and God showed me and told me where I was going to live.

 

[jeolmstead]

No a person I knew did this and I asked why. He said because the Lord told Him too. The thing is he did this but the spirits in his house got worst. So I would assume he realize it didn't work but he doesn't. I told him to get some oil but he went quiet on me lol


I thought this was very strange, very very strange. God even gave Him directions. He told him to get a white cloth, wet it with ammonia, and wipe the doors down.

Sounds like some voice told him to clean the oil off his door posts to me.....maybe it wasn't God

John O.