Sell all you have..

[kenblaster5000]

"Sell all you have, pay off your debts, give to the poor, and pick up your cross and follow me." Anybody else hearing this? "Look up to the sky, for your redemption draws nigh."

 

[simpleone]

hmm...wish ppl preached more on this...we really need these kinda messages in this ever increasing materialistic world....had enough of prosperity messages....money money money....need more Jesus Jesus Jesus!!!

 

[jrlinz]

So, if we all sold all we have, paid off our debts and followed jesus, what then? Would you just say "the heck with all who haven't heard the good news?" Well, you might be able to reach a few incarcerated individuals, considering you could be thrown in jail for vagrancy, which is illegal in the US, I believe. But, what about the person in rural India, Africa, the MidEast, Indonesia, etc..., that has not heard the Gospel? How are you going to reach them? How are you going to get there, or send the television or radio broadcast there? It isn't free, you know.
I think, if you are led to do that, it's great. If you look down upon others who are not led to do so, I honestly pity you, and pray.
What about all of God's promises to provide for, and prosper us financially? Was He joking?

 

[kenblaster5000]

So, if we all sold all we have, paid off our debts and followed jesus, what then? Would you just say "the heck with all who haven't heard the good news?" Well, you might be able to reach a few incarcerated individuals, considering you could be thrown in jail for vagrancy, which is illegal in the US, I believe. But, what about the person in rural India, Africa, the MidEast, Indonesia, etc..., that has not heard the Gospel? How are you going to reach them? How are you going to get there, or send the television or radio broadcast there? It isn't free, you know.
I think, if you are led to do that, it's great. If you look down upon others who are not led to do so, I honestly pity you, and pray.
What about all of God's promises to provide for, and prosper us financially? Was He joking?

Are we to be prosperous in these things of the world, just to preach a gospel of being prosperous, self-perpetual, worship of mammon. Are we saying that God will make us money? What is meant by the scripture, if a man preaches the gospel, he should live by it? Is this about money, or salarie, or is it about following the commands of Jesus Christ. I think this is a scripture about not living as a hypocrit, not being payed for the gospel. Sure, if you preach the true gospel, of repentance, and turning from sin, the blood is for the remission of sin, and the bread is his body, that Jesus Christ is God, as well as God's only son, who died on the cross for our sins, then have all you want and take that to the nations, but if it is about planting $55 grace seeds, then forget it, my money is not supporting a gospel that teaches that you buy grace, the Holy Spirit, or a blessing from God, which is usually depicted as more money, instead of the riches of Heaven, and a reward in the Kingdom of Heaven. For, where your treasure lies, there your heart will be also. God bless you in the riches of His Kingdom, Jesus Christ, The King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

 

[simpleone]

So, if we all sold all we have, paid off our debts and followed jesus, what then? Would you just say "the heck with all who haven't heard the good news?" Well, you might be able to reach a few incarcerated individuals, considering you could be thrown in jail for vagrancy, which is illegal in the US, I believe. But, what about the person in rural India, Africa, the MidEast, Indonesia, etc..., that has not heard the Gospel? How are you going to reach them? How are you going to get there, or send the television or radio broadcast there? It isn't free, you know.
I think, if you are led to do that, it's great. If you look down upon others who are not led to do so, I honestly pity you, and pray.
What about all of God's promises to provide for, and prosper us financially? Was He joking?

Friend... i see what you are saying...and of course we need the funds to get out to do Gods work...
hmmm...I guess its a matter of the heart...I just saw a very popular preacherson tv recently...preach a sermon to the ppl about how they can get "rich" because of God..and how God wants them to prosper...etc And man...the whole congregation cheered like no tomorrow...because they were hearing something they wanna hear...
but i wonder...ok..so the wealth aspect is good...what about the parts of their lives....are they being fed enough of Gods word.....so they are drawing nearer to God...denying themselves daily from the world, etc....

Friend...am all up for prosperous people..God blesses us incredibily... he has for me...I have soooo much from him...hmmm...I guess my point on the post was more to do with - need for new "meat"...from the word... do you not feel there is too much teaching about just getting the blessing from God??
I wanna hear something that will convict me and change me....I know I walk a narrow path....following Jesus didnt mean following him in a mercedez benz....the devil can use money for his cause....its the root of evil...so money is good if you are well founded and are fully devoted to God...else...you have to be careful i guess

not judging or anything...just my observation...i myself have much to learn in this...

 

[mourningdove~]

"Sell all you have, pay off your debts, give to the poor, and pick up your cross and follow me." Anybody else hearing this? "Look up to the sky, for your redemption draws nigh."

Yes ... "sell what you have (except what is needed), pay off your debts, give to the poor, pick up your cross and follow me."

Also, Jesus "is coming soon".

Other persons I know are hearing this in their spirits also ...
persons in all walks of life, online and off.

And some have now begun doing these things.

 

[jrlinz]

Certainly, if your focus is toward money, and not God, then you have not money, but money has you. Not at all pleasing to God. In fact, I believe it angers God as much as those who self-righteously say "look at me, how holy, pious I am! I have no use for money or material comfort. Those that do are so far below my greatness in the kingdom"
But, Ken, if that is what you hear, to sell everything, I think you had better obey. But, there are a LOT of examples in the bible of God prospering the faithful materially, and a very large amount of scripture that states He will do so to us.

 

[Giver]

Certainly, if your focus is toward money, and not God, then you have not money, but money has you. Not at all pleasing to God. In fact, I believe it angers God as much as those who self-righteously say "look at me, how holy, pious I am! I have no use for money or material comfort. Those that do are so far below my greatness in the kingdom"
But, Ken, if that is what you hear, to sell everything, I think you had better obey. But, there are a LOT of examples in the bible of God prospering the faithful materially, and a very large amount of scripture that states He will do so to us.

Yes in the Old Testament God did bless people with prosperity, but why don’t you show us what Jesus said about, storing, giving, having possessions, and lending?

 

[jrlinz]

Jesus taught that we should be good stewards, and that we should not put faith in material, temporal things, love them above God and the Kingdom of Heaven, which is forever. Is this what you are talking about, giver?

 

[jrlinz]

In the very beginning, it was God's plan for man to prosper, take dominion. He is the very same God today as He was then. Satan's plan was for man be in need, lack. Poverty, lack, need, are direct results of the fall, and sin. He is the same Satan today as he was then, and still loves to make us believe that God has said something other that what He said.
Let me ask you, do you think it wrong, out of God's plan, for a man to marry? If so, we can agree to end this dialogue. if you do not believe it is wrong for a man to marry, do believe it is wrong, in God's eyes, for a man to want good things, a nice house, security, etc.. for his wife and children? Is it sinful in God's eyes for a man to wish to leave an inheritance for his children?

But, the truth is very simple: Satan wishes us to either love the material world (creation) more than the Creator (God), or denounce the creation (material), and fail to appreciate the work of the hand of the Creator. God wishes neither of us, but to love, appreciate and enjoy all the work of his hand, and to love Him much more than all creation.

One final comment: We don't really own anything (in the strict sense of the word), but are stewards of God's creation. If God tells you to sell all, and give the money to the poor, you had better be willing to do so.

 

[Giver]

In the very beginning, it was God's plan for man to prosper, take dominion. He is the very same God today as He was then. Satan's plan was for man be in need, lack. Poverty, lack, need, are direct results of the fall, and sin. He is the same Satan today as he was then, and still loves to make us believe that God has said something other that what He said.
Let me ask you, do you think it wrong, out of God's plan, for a man to marry? If so, we can agree to end this dialogue. if you do not believe it is wrong for a man to marry, do believe it is wrong, in God's eyes, for a man to want good things, a nice house, security, etc.. for his wife and children? Is it sinful in God's eyes for a man to wish to leave an inheritance for his children?

But, the truth is very simple: Satan wishes us to either love the material world (creation) more than the Creator (God), or denounce the creation (material), and fail to appreciate the work of the hand of the Creator. God wishes neither of us, but to love, appreciate and enjoy all the work of his hand, and to love Him much more than all creation.

One final comment: We don't really own anything (in the strict sense of the word), but are stewards of God's creation. If God tells you to sell all, and give the money to the poor, you had better be willing to do so.

How is it you know so much about what Satan wants, and so little of what Jesus said about possessions? Please quit giving us your option, and show us what Jesus said about storing, giving, having possessions.

 

[jrlinz]

Giver, believe as you choose. I speak truth.

 

[Giver]

Giver, believe as you choose. I speak truth.

Truth? If it were truth then the Word of God would back you up.

By the way, when you use Satan wants this and Satan wants that, it is just a nasty way of putting someone beliefs down, especially when the other person’s beliefs come right from Jesus’ mouth.

 

[jrlinz]

Thank you, brother. I can see you believe what you say, and feel the love, compassion in your words. Funny how we (you and I) can get such different messages from the same bible. Thanks also, for your advise and example in using scripture to back up your statement.

 

[Giver]

Thank you, brother. I can see you believe what you say, and feel the love, compassion in your words. Funny how we (you and I) can get such different messages from the same bible. Thanks also, for your advise and example in using scripture to back up your statement.

Well the reason we think so differently is because you are not using the Word of God, but jrlinz’s or someone else’s opinion.

 

[jrlinz]

Well the reason we think so differently is because you are not using the Word of God, but jrlinz’s or someone else’s opinion.

Yes I am using the word of God, you are not! And, I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you! Ha-ha-ha-ha!
When someone says that they are speaking thhe word of God from Scripture, but one with a different belief or understanding is not, they are just using a cheap ploy to discredit truth. Isn't that essentially what you said to me in an earlier post?

 

[Dave01]

Yes I am using the word of God, you are not! And, I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you! Ha-ha-ha-ha!

Giver, your statement tha tYOU are using the word of God, but I am not, is just a cheap little ploy to wrongfully discredit my statements of truth.

I'm not seeing anything wrong in your statements Jrlinz, your saying we should be good stewards with what GOD gives us, and I agree with that. I think you mean we should have moderation in our lifestyles also, am I wrong?

 

[hislegacy]

"Sell all you have, pay off your debts,

That's one thing I'll never have to do - I've been debt free for 12 years. I believe it's being a good steward.

give to the poor,

that's part of what living debt free allows you to do.

and pick up your cross and follow me."

Been doing that since Oct 14, 1985 - Glory!

Anybody else hearing this? "Look up to the sky, for your redemption draws nigh."

My redemption drew nigh, then came and is living inside!

The focus of our lives should be what Jesus has already done for us, and sharing that message with others. The money is only a tool.

 

[FortunateSon]

Luke 12:29-34
29 And do not seek what you should eat or what you should drink, nor have an anxious mind. 30 For all these things the nations of the world seek after, and your Father knows that you need these things. 31 But seek the kingdom of God, and all these things shall be added to you. 32 Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell what you have and give alms; provide yourselves money bags which do not grow old, a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches nor moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.


There's some real good stuff in that short passage of scripture.

 

[jrlinz]

I'm not seeing anything wrong in your statements Jrlinz, your saying we should be good stewards with what GOD gives us, and I agree with that. I think you mean we should have moderation in our lifestyles also, am I wrong?

Yes, Sir, good stewards, appreciative of what God has given us, not belittling it, but always keeping God first. Thank you, Sir.