Adiaphora Alehaus

[Studeclunker]

I found this out very early on when I thought a client fully understood the blue prints of a plan, but only was afraid to admit they didn't for fear of looking stupid ....geez! Instead there were walls in places that they could not understand, etc.

Porteross, do you work for an architect or building contractor? I was a residential architect's apprentice for four years. The thing I hated the most was when the wife of the client would bring these shoe-boxes with all her clippings. They didn't even have the floor plan worked out and she had every room done. I would let her go through it and ask if I could keep it for referrence. They would usually be delighted. Then we could concentrate on the floor plan. Regardless, it was one of my favourite jobs. I was devastated when Mr Johanssen died. None of the local architects wanted to pick up my aprenticeship. The market had gone flat and they couldn't afford the extra payroll.
Because of this background my favourite movie at the time was, 'Mr Blandings builds his dream house,' with Cary Grant. I would laugh all the way through it. The remake of it was pretty good too (the money pit). Mr Johanssen had a copy of Mr. Blandings, on 35mm film and would often have his customers watch it before he would do a plan for them.

As for (shudder) lawyers. I've never met one that had enough ethics or scruples to fill a thimble. Perhaps it's just luck. Seems for the last thirty years if I've had luck, it's bad luck.

I'm praying for improvements.

 

[Flipper]

It's too bad there isn't more in the legal system than just the law - just not too Lutheran, with the proper application and difference of law AND GOSPEL. Nothing too similar

Actually, legal ethics is stricter than Christian ethics, believe it or not. For example, as a Christian, you can get away with not telling a lie by just not saying anything. There are all kinds of times when lawyers are required to disclose information, and it has to be truthful information to the best of that lawyer's knowledge (clients will say anything they want to a lawyer, and until the lawyer can find out otherwise, they have to go with the word of the client). That's why when someone says they need to find a "Christian" lawyer, I just laugh. You are going to get the same level of representation regardless of the religion of the lawyer. If you need a lawyer, you find someone who is experienced, and familiar with the courts you are in.

Stud - I'm sorry your experience with lawyers hasn't been good. There are bad lawyers out there, just like there are bad doctors. However, I have yet to meet someone who went through a divorce, child custody matter, or bankruptcy who actually liked their lawyers. Maybe half of the people I know who had personal injury cases liked their lawyers. Not only is it human nature, it's the lack of understanding of the layperson of the process and the law on the subject. Can't tell you how many people think their cases are worth tons more than they are - doesn't make them right and us wrong, and do you think they will be happy with us when we disengage them once our research shows they don't have a case? Of course they are going to think my boss has no ethics and I'm his evil minion. Lawyers have to work within the laws - they can't just get a result because that's what you think they should get. Don't like the precedent, find a lawyer that thinks they can change precedent, or keep track of your judges so you can vote knowingly on whether or not to retain them.

 

[Flipper]

Another thing that gets me. On this board I used to be one, once people found out that I work for lawyers and don't think they are so bad, would dedicate threads on how awful lawyers are. However, when someone needed legal advice, all of a sudden I became their best friend, and they got quite mad at me when I told them I couldn't get advice.

There was a lawyer on the board who was afraid to make his profession known. He only told me in a PM when he found out what I do. He eventually made his profession known and he gets it worse than I do. Someone will ask him for legal advice, he will give it, they don't like what he has to say, then he's a bad person. He doesn't make the law.

People never cease to amaze me.

 

[C.F.W. Walther]

It's hard to get rid of inground prejudices. It's the only one that is allowed anymore. That's why I think that people focus on lawyers with impunity because they are not allowed focus on other groups. It's not politicly correct.

 

[KagomeShuko]

Hmm, let's make this a bit of a happy thread again . it is interesting . but. .hmmm . ..

Oh yes,

Knock Knock. . .

 

[Flipper]

It's hard to get rid of inground prejudices. It's the only one that is allowed anymore. That's why I think that people focus on lawyers with impunity because they are not allowed focus on other groups. It's not politicly correct.

There's a lot of truth to that.

Also, the media and politicians don't like telling the back story - they like to leave things out.

 

[Flipper]

Hmm, let's make this a bit of a happy thread again . it is interesting . but. .hmmm . ..

Oh yes,

Knock Knock. . .

So easy and convenient for you to say - you guys made the anti-lawyer comments. How would you like it if people trashed your occupation.

 

[KagomeShuko]

So easy and convenient for you to say - you guys made the anti-lawyer comments. How would you like it if people trashed your occupation.

Hey Flipper,

I didn't make any anti-lawyer comments. I'm even posting any stupid lawyer jokes. What I said wasn't meant to be anti-lawyer at all. . .

I majored in Mass Communications - lots of legal stuff in that - my favorite class of the whole course - Mass Media Law!

 

[LilLamb219]

Who's there?

 

[Flipper]

Hey Flipper,

I didn't make any anti-lawyer comments. I'm even posting any stupid lawyer jokes. What I said wasn't meant to be anti-lawyer at all. . .

I majored in Mass Communications - lots of legal stuff in that - my favorite class of the whole course - Mass Media Law!

No "law and gospel" in being a lawyer. Not Lutheran? How am I supposed to take that?

 

[KagomeShuko]

Who's there?

Noah. . .

 

[KagomeShuko]

No "law and gospel" in being a lawyer. Not Lutheran? How am I supposed to take that?

It was only meant as you said that there are so many laws that lawyers have to follow, that is THAT strict. There's no law and gospel in Mass Media Law, either. . .

 

[LilLamb219]

Noah who?

 

[porterross]

If it makes you feel any better, Flipper, my firm has bee slammed in the press, along with ignorant bloggers, here for about 2 weeks all due to a client's removal of a state historical marker on his property that we are brokering. It is merely an informational marker and not a registered state landmark, but people are up in arms accusing us of being money-grubbing and willing to sell county treasures, blah, blah, blah.

The house needs to demolished or at least extensively, structurally renovated (which will cost as much, if not more than it's selling for) and I have said so publicly. The 100 year old adobe walls are collapsing under their own weight because of poor initial construction, the weight of modern roofing, massive tree roots too close to the structure (God knows that tree is a treasure too and cannot be removed) and its location next to a creek that flooded and wiped out numerous other houses 8 years ago. It is dangerous as it stands and seemingly destined to give way to natural forces eventually, but as to when that might happen, it's hard to say without monitoring the movement of the walls. I'm not a PE and no one would pay for that kind of study.....and I put this to the Historical Commission to put their money where there mouth and buy the house IF they indeed are so concerned about its future.

My office has nothing to do with the seller's decision to merely get the sign out of the way whilst he cleared the lot, yet we have been accused of instructing him to do so in order to find someone willing to buy the old eyesore, not knowing it's controlled by the state historical mandates, which it's not. In fact, it is not worth much and is not going to make us any significant money when it does sell so we find this all very humorous.

The only comment I made on the blog, because my parents were beside themselves about the nasty comments made by anonymous posters, of course, was that this is the US and in Texas, which consists of more than 90% privately owned land, there are laws purposely put in place to protect land owner's rights against just the sort of socialist tyranny these uninformed busybodies would impose. Not only that, but because this online paper kept posting incorrect information based on hearsay of those with no actual knowledge of the situation, they were libelling us and our cadre of legal minds in Austin sit ready to assist us with a healthy, rarely used legal fund!

Protecting our clients is taken very seriously. I'm only silly and fun on here, y'all.

 

[KagomeShuko]

Noah who?

Noah good knock knock joke?

 

[seajoy]

I'm just posting to say good bye to everyone. I need to get off CF for awhile, perhaps for always.

I get way too caught up in the threads, and probably take things way too personally to remain here. I also see some folks unable to say what needs to be said, which is surprising on a Christian forum. Not just here, but in other parts of CF as well. Even the Alehaus has its moments, as of late.

Also, I just spend too much time here. I need healing of my body and mind, and CF stresses me out too much to do that. More my fault than anyone elses.

I just want to say thank you to those who have been my friend, and have always been there for me. There are many fine people here.

May God keep you all safe in His Arms.

seajoy

 

[porterross]

Gee, and I thought everyone had been behaving really well lately, Seajoy.

God's blessings for you and your healing process, but you need to remember to not give things more power than they deserve and that focusing on the positive will make life more pleasant.

I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

 

[LilLamb219]

I'll miss you, seajoy!

 

[Studeclunker]

Porteross, seems to me that you've been attacked by the hysterical society(LOL)! Yes, it would be nice for the HS in this country to be able to back their retoric with action. The problem is that when they have the money, it seems to be spent on... other things. Some of them are genuinely interested in saving and preserving historic properties. Others seem to just annoy and interfere.
It is very sad that the owners of this house, over several generations, have allowed it to go to... um, ah, heck in a handbasket. Adobe never was a very stable construction material. Many of the Missions in California that were constructed of this had to be taken apart (at great expense) and re-constructed with concrete and rebar reinforcement to preserve the original structure. Even the roofs were poorly constructed. They did what they could with what they had. And that was very little.
Still, our country seems to be of the mind that anything over ten years old is trash and should be cleared away. Between slum lords and careless owners, many historic districts in our cities and towns have become eyesores. This is a crying shame. Most of this could have been avoided with just a little normal maintenance. Ah well, what can I say, human nature...
It's sad when a truely historic structure becomes a burden on it's community. It's worse when one is the owner of said structure and had no hand in it's neglect and eventual demise. The situation sounds like it has become a lose, lose, proposition for everyone. Sometimes though, it takes something like this to kick people into action. I've seen many a case when a historic property was literally on the verge of collapse (like you describe this one) and the historical society and the community finally put their money where their mouths were. Choices will have to be made. Does the community want the tree or the house? Are they willing to cough up the wherewithal to deal with the situation? Otherwise they must stand aside and allow the owner do what it's their responsibility to do. Since he can't afford to repair and restore the building, it has to go.

Still, you must admit, the town will be the poorer from the loss of it.

God bless and keep you and your firm whilst you deal with this very emotional issue. May he give you all the strength to stand against the vituperation and anger it produces. This too shall pass and when it does, everyone will wonder what the big deal was all about.

 

[QuiltAngel]

I will miss you seajoy. You are in my thoughts and prayers as you work through the healing you need.

We all need to remember that there are people behind their posts. People who have feelings and things going on in their lives that we may not know about. Yes, we need to not give more power to things here than they deserve. Yet, sometimes we find ourselves particularly vulnerable to things being said due to our personality, our hurts and pains, our previous experiences.

Sometimes we need to take breaks from those things that are a hinderence to us in healing from those things.

We have a couple of members here who are hurting. Those are what we know about, how many others may be dealing with things that we do not know about.

Let's be supportive of those who feel a need to leave either temporary or permanently.