C.S. Lewis: Sins of the flesh are the least bad of all sins?

[FrauleinElsa]

Dear FrauleinElsa


WHY THAT'S DOWNRIGHT GOOD THINKING!!!


It is so refreshing to hear the TRUTH!!!

THANK YOU!!!

ALWAYS REMEMBER:






“ Believe “ in Greek is a verb and has three components which are: hearing, accepting, and then acting ( COMMITING ) upon that which you have accepted.

X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O
( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven

Well, I do my best to always tell the truth to the best of my human ability.

 

[bliz]

In post #7 I quoted several passages of Scripture that refer to "greater sins" but no one who believes that all sins are the same has commented on the passages or presented other passages that argue for their position. Hmmmm.

 

[bliz]

Okay, I've given this some considerable thought and have come to this conclusion. What C.S. Lewis wrote in his book which I'm currently reading right now as a matter of fact, is his interpretation. It's his point of view and only what he thinks. He wasn't God and wasn't trying to be. He was merely talking about the issues in the way that he understood them. I believe he was sincere in his efforts to make the topics he wrote about easier to understand. That's my take on it. Ultimately, his views are the views that he held and nothing more.

If so, I am disappointed that Lewis would state his personal belief like it is some undisputed matter of fact.

Do you folks read essays and books on a regular basis? This is what every author does. Any book on spiritual; matters that does not do this will be a copy the Bible.
If you think this is inapropriate, I trust that you read nothing but the Bible.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Okay, well I think on some level all sins are the same but then again they’re not. Like murder is worse than lying. I’m not saying I’m right and I’m not saying you’re wrong. I may decide to change my mind. I’m only on chapter 3 of his book, so I haven’t really fully formed my opinion yet. But on spiritual matters where there is a grey area don’t we usually insert our point of views and opinions? And sometimes when it’s not grey. I wrote what I did because C.S. Lewis was not a theologian. He even admitted as much. He was a lay person who did the best he could with what he knew and with the truth that God revealed to him. I’m not at that specific chapter yet, so after I read it, I may change my mind. But right now, this is where I am.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Do you folks read essays and books on a regular basis?

Ummm...esssays? No. Books, yeah. What kind of essays would you recommend? I've wanted to read Martin Luther's works as a matter of fact, but I haven't read anything like that. I am open minded and would be interested in exploring other ideas.

This is what every author does. Any book on spiritual; matters that does not do this will be a copy the Bible. If you think this is inapropriate, I trust that you read nothing but the Bible.

I don't think it's inappropriate. I personally am not super religious. Actually, I've never even thought about any of this before. Like I said, I need to get to that chapter. When I do I'll post on that. Would you care to talk about your point of view and position on this. I'd love to hear it. If you'd rather you can PM me and we can talk about there. Not to debate, but so I can learn a different point of view. Thanks.

 

[Johnnz]

We al need to realise that God given reason is an essential component of being human. We need reason when coming to Scripture as Scripture itself does not give us an encyclopedia for all matters of life and God. We see both Jesus and Paul using reason and logical arguement at times. And of course each person here is reasoning in some way.

Two examples. Nowhere in Scripture is there a statement that all sickness came from the Fall, yet that is what most Christians have inferred. And again, it took three centuries of Chriostian debate nad reasoning for a official position on the Trinity to be formulated and adopted as essential Christian belief.

Lewis is recogised as one of the great Christian thinkers of modern times. His writings are referred to by Christians across all demoninations. That is in contrast to the many popular books that are compiled 'from the bible' that present far less reasoned statements of personal belief as biblical facts. If Lweis is wrong in some way then a) his arguements can be shown as illogical or b) his statements contradict a clear biblical doctrine. Otherwise he can be taken seriously by any Christian.

John
NZ

 

[wonderwaleye]

Okay, well I think on some level all sins are the same but then again they’re not. Like murder is worse than lying. I’m not saying I’m right and I’m not saying you’re wrong. I may decide to change my mind. I’m only on chapter 3 of his book, so I haven’t really fully formed my opinion yet. But on spiritual matters where there is a grey area don’t we usually insert our point of views and opinions? And sometimes when it’s not grey. I wrote what I did because C.S. Lewis was not a theologian. He even admitted as much. He was a lay person who did the best he could with what he knew and with the truth that God revealed to him. I’m not at that specific chapter yet, so after I read it, I may change my mind. But right now, this is where I am.

Dear FrauleinElsa


DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!


When you violate ANY of the TEN COMMANDMENTS you HAVE turned away from GOD.


YOU CANNOT BE MORE OR LESS DAMMED!!!


It is ONLY JESUS and HIS GRACE that will free us if we REPENT!!!


IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE SO REMEMBER:


“ Believe “ in Greek is a verb and has three components which are: hearing, accepting, and then acting ( COMMITING ) upon that which you have accepted.
X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O ( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven

 

[wonderwaleye]

We al need to realise that God given reason is an essential component of being human. We need reason when coming to Scripture as Scripture itself does not give us an encyclopedia for all matters of life and God. We see both Jesus and Paul using reason and logical arguement at times. And of course each person here is reasoning in some way.

Two examples. Nowhere in Scripture is there a statement that all sickness came from the Fall, yet that is what most Christians have inferred. And again, it took three centuries of Chriostian debate nad reasoning for a official position on the Trinity to be formulated and adopted as essential Christian belief.

Lewis is recogised as one of the great Christian thinkers of modern times. His writings are referred to by Christians across all demoninations. That is in contrast to the many popular books that are compiled 'from the bible' that present far less reasoned statements of personal belief as biblical facts. If Lweis is wrong in some way then a) his arguements can be shown as illogical or b) his statements contradict a clear biblical doctrine. Otherwise he can be taken seriously by any Christian.

John
NZ

Dear Johnnz



" If Lweis is wrong in some way then a) his arguements can be shown as illogical or b) his statements contradict a clear biblical doctrine. Otherwise he can be taken seriously by any Christian. "


OHHH HOW SMART MAN HAS BECOME IN HIS VANITY!!!


Appears it is now so SPECIALIZED that maybe GOD ought to take 2nd seat to the wisdom of doctrine made by man???


IS THERE NO MORE SHAME???


IN DARKNESS MAN DOES NOT REMEMBER:


“ Believe “ in Greek is a verb and has three components which are: hearing, accepting, and then acting ( COMMITING ) upon that which you have accepted.
X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O ( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Dear Johnnz



" If Lewis is wrong in some way then a) his arguements can be shown as illogical or b) his statements contradict a clear biblical doctrine. Otherwise he can be taken seriously by any Christian. "


OHHH HOW SMART MAN HAS BECOME IN HIS VANITY!!!


Appears it is now so SPECIALIZED that maybe GOD ought to take 2nd seat to the wisdom of doctrine made by man???


IS THERE NO MORE SHAME???


IN DARKNESS MAN DOES NOT REMEMBER:


“ Believe “ in Greek is a verb and has three components which are: hearing, accepting, and then acting ( COMMITING ) upon that which you have accepted.
X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O ( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven

Why is it when someone disagrees with you, or has a differing opinion than you, you resort to the tactics of those big haired, red faced, screaming preachers? I appreciate differing opinions. Even yours. You have a right to think what you will. Doesn’t mean you’re right, it doesn’t mean you’re wrong. I’m not deceived. I’m just adult enough to know that, hey maybe I am wrong about this. I don’t know everything. Life is a learning process. You stop learning your brain dies. You yourself have pointed out that you have a limited education. Maybe there are things that you don’t know even about things like theology? Just a thought. Johnnz was right about Lewis being a great thinker. He saw the lack of religion and morals and sought to teach others the truth that he had learned and he did it in non-confrontational way. Something I feel you could learn from. He was Anglican, but all Christian faiths can turn to him for inspiration. He did not push his faith on anyone. I read in the beginning of his book that Mere Christianity was not a tool to use to be directed to a specific religion. He said that he would not tell anyone to follow his particular faith, but that the search for faith was a life-long process if need be. That when you are ready you will know when to make the move into one denomination or the other. So far I agree with what he said. By your rules you would ignore all of the pastors, disciples, apostles, and other Christian theologians who have spoken about faith and God. Can you address this so that this is not the perception of you? Or is it accurate? Just because someone doesn’t agree with you does not mean they are wrong. It just means that maybe they are able to see the issue more clearly than you. In those cases, they are someone to learn from, not ridicule.

 

[wonderwaleye]

Why is it when someone disagrees with you, or has a differing opinion than you, you resort to the tactics of those big haired, red faced, screaming preachers? I appreciate differing opinions. Even yours. You have a right to think what you will. Doesn’t mean you’re right, it doesn’t mean you’re wrong. I’m not deceived. I’m just adult enough to know that, hey maybe I am wrong about this. I don’t know everything. Life is a learning process. You stop learning your brain dies. You yourself have pointed out that you have a limited education. Maybe there are things that you don’t know even about things like theology? Just a thought. Johnnz was right about Lewis being a great thinker. He saw the lack of religion and morals and sought to teach others the truth that he had learned and he did it in non-confrontational way. Something I feel you could learn from. He was Anglican, but all Christian faiths can turn to him for inspiration. He did not push his faith on anyone. I read in the beginning of his book that Mere Christianity was not a tool to use to be directed to a specific religion. He said that he would not tell anyone to follow his particular faith, but that the search for faith was a life-long process if need be. That when you are ready you will know when to make the move into one denomination or the other. So far I agree with what he said. By your rules you would ignore all of the pastors, disciples, apostles, and other Christian theologians who have spoken about faith and God. Can you address this so that this is not the perception of you? Or is it accurate? Just because someone doesn’t agree with you does not mean they are wrong. It just means that maybe they are able to see the issue more clearly than you. In those cases, they are someone to learn from, not ridicule.

Dear FrauleinElsa

WORDS OF VANITY!!!


Ephesians

Chapter 3

12
in whom we have boldness of speech and confidence of access through faith in him.

Acts
Chapter 4
13
Observing the boldness of Peter and John and perceiving them to be uneducated, ordinary men, they were amazed, and they recognized them as the companions of Jesus

29
And now, Lord, take note of their threats, and enable your servants to speak your word with all boldness,


ALWAYS REMEMBER:






“ Believe “ in Greek is a verb and has three components which are: hearing, accepting, and then acting ( COMMITING ) upon that which you have accepted.

X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O
( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven

 

[drifter5]

Dear Johnnz



" If Lweis is wrong in some way then a) his arguements can be shown as illogical or b) his statements contradict a clear biblical doctrine. Otherwise he can be taken seriously by any Christian. "


OHHH HOW SMART MAN HAS BECOME IN HIS VANITY!!!


Appears it is now so SPECIALIZED that maybe GOD ought to take 2nd seat to the wisdom of doctrine made by man???


IS THERE NO MORE SHAME???


IN DARKNESS MAN DOES NOT REMEMBER:


“ Believe “ in Greek is a verb and has three components which are: hearing, accepting, and then acting ( COMMITING ) upon that which you have accepted.
X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O ( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven

Thank you for your post dear brother. I have read Lewis' biography, and i for one , refuse to read any of his books. It says in The Bible to be aware of wolves dressed as sheep.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Dear FrauleinElsa

WORDS OF VANITY!!!


Ephesians

Chapter 3

12
in whom we have boldness of speech and confidence of access through faith in him.

Acts
Chapter 4
13
Observing the boldness of Peter and John and perceiving them to be uneducated, ordinary men, they were amazed, and they recognized them as the companions of Jesus

29
And now, Lord, take note of their threats, and enable your servants to speak your word with all boldness,


ALWAYS REMEMBER:






“ Believe “ in Greek is a verb and has three components which are: hearing, accepting, and then acting ( COMMITING ) upon that which you have accepted.

X Even though you can't see him, GOD is there!!! O
( click on the x and drag to the O ) ( then see who is with you ) steven

That’s all you have to say! That’s not a defense. Why do you deflect when things don’t go your way, when people don’t agree with you? I don’t agree with you, so does that mean I’m a sinner and am going to hell? I don’t think that of you. I do think that you need anger mangagement classes or something. You seem waaaaaaay too tense. You need to relax. You know, that kind of stress isn’t good for the heart. Just something to think about. Tell me something real about yourself. Then maybe I'll listen. All this posturing is not real.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

I respectfully disagree with you. I know that you have your beliefs and you stand by them. But just because someone has slightly differing opinions does not mean they’re wrong. Maybe, just maybe you don’t fully understand what C.S. Lewis was trying to say? I don’t think that you should have called him a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I mean, after all it’s not like he can defend himself. He’s too busy being dead and all. I mean, come on, show some class and don’t insult the dead who can’t clear their name anymore. I'm really sorry you feel that way too.

 

[Weasel7711]

Im going to take the easy way out with some cop-out answer
I tend to agree with lewis that some sins have larger or lesser degrees of severity. We all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
I do however think that the worst sin a Christian can have in his life is PRIDE. I think this because pride gives birth to EVERY other sin. Everyone has pride, most of all the ones that say "i dont have pride"and all sins spring from that pride.
The porn addict, the pedophile, the promiscuous girl, all have issues with pride. Sex is not the issue, its pride. Allow God to deal with the pride, and he frees you from other sins. Until you take yourself down from your platform and allow God to be placed higher than yourself, you cannot deal with sin.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Im going to take the easy way out with some cop-out answer
I tend to agree with lewis that some sins have larger or lesser degrees of severity. We all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
I do however think that the worst sin a Christian can have in his life is PRIDE. I think this because pride gives birth to EVERY other sin. Everyone has pride, most of all the ones that say "i dont have pride"and all sins spring from that pride.
The porn addict, the pedophile, the promiscuous girl, all have issues with pride. Sex is not the issue, its pride. Allow God to deal with the pride, and he frees you from other sins. Until you take yourself down from your platform and allow God to be placed higher than yourself, you cannot deal with sin.

Forgive this digress, but if you're 21 how can you have 10 sons and 10 daughters? I'm confused. Please explain this. Thanks.

 

[Weasel7711]

Forgive this digress, but if you're 21 how can you have 10 sons and 10 daughters? I'm confused. Please explain this. Thanks.

Ha ha its not really true, i was just bored


...im also a mormon....

 

[drifter5]

It says in The Bible to be aware of false teachers and false teaching. I have read enough in the past on Lewis, and i have read some of his books . I choose now to no longer read these , and to warn others. It would be wrong of me not to.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

I guess you must follow your conscience. However, I respectfully disagree with you and will continue to read his book.

 

[Weasel7711]

It says in The Bible to be aware of false teachers and false teaching. I have read enough in the past on Lewis, and i have read some of his books . I choose now to no longer read these , and to warn others. It would be wrong of me not to.

Curiosity
What exactly did you disagree with?

 

[drifter5]

Curiosity
What exactly did you disagree with?

Lewis' teachings go against The Bible's teachings, at least for the most part. There are other Christians who are unhappy with his teachings.