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Easter and Passover
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There are a lot of reasons that Pesach and Easter are not celebrated together; and often Easter is not celebrated by Messianics.
The Nicene Councils are one clue.
Maybe it would help you more for the time being if I supply links rather than "talk"
From our FAQ & Links
Also you can go here (the Catholic Encyclopedia) for info on the councils:
The First council of Nicea
The Second Council of Nicea
Nicene Creed
Passover
Easter Controversy (Ties into the Nicene Council #1)
Easter
One of the best resources right now is at Biblicalholidays.com:
Passover
The Feast of Unleavened Bread
The Feast of Firstfruits
The best diagram I have found (other than with FFOZ) thus far explaining the timeframe of the Passover week and Y'shua's death and ressurection is also from BiblicalHolidays.com in PDF format here.
Shalom
The Nicene Councils are one clue.
Maybe it would help you more for the time being if I supply links rather than "talk"
From our FAQ & Links
Also you can go here (the Catholic Encyclopedia) for info on the councils:
The First council of Nicea
The Second Council of Nicea
Nicene Creed
Passover
Easter Controversy (Ties into the Nicene Council #1)
Easter
One of the best resources right now is at Biblicalholidays.com:
Passover
The Feast of Unleavened Bread
The Feast of Firstfruits
The best diagram I have found (other than with FFOZ) thus far explaining the timeframe of the Passover week and Y'shua's death and ressurection is also from BiblicalHolidays.com in PDF format here.
Shalom
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Passover was to be on the dusk of the 14th of Nissan. " Kill the lamb at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month."
Numbers 9:2–3, which explains: "Let the children of Israel keep the Passover at its appointed time. On the fourteenth day of this month, at twilight, you shall keep it at its appointed time."
Leviticus 23:4–6, On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread." .
God commanded the children of Israel to kill the Passover lamb in the evening, Ex. 12:6. The Hebrew word for evening in Ex. 12:6 is ‘ereb. This is very vague vague word because it can refer to the beginning of the day, as in Genesis descriptions ( 1:5, 8,13, 19, 23, 31) or to the end of the day, as in, Ex. 12:18, Lev. 23:32. But Lev. 23:5, Num. 9:3, 5, 11 uses beyn ha’arbayim which means "between the two evenings".
The two leading religious parties differed in the exact time of the Paschal preparation and sacrifice and of the paschal meal.
The Pharisees held that the lamb was to be slaughtered in the afternoon of the 14th of Nissan (between the periods 12 noon and 3 P.M) and eaten after the sun set (after 6 PM our time) (which is the 15th in the Hebrew Calendar) The Seven days of unleavened bread extended from 15th to the 21st.
The Sadducees held the Office of High Priest during the life time of Yeshua. They were the the Calendar Committee at that time. They were more conservative and believed that the Feasts of Passover and Unleavened Bread were separate feast days. The synoptic gospels says that Yeshua ate a Passover meal with the twelve on the evening beginning Nisan 14, in accordance with the "official" calendar.
The lay scholars of the law - Pharisees - held Passover on the fifteenth.
Yeshua and his Apostles did eat the Passover following the traditions of the Saducees and Yeshua became the Passover Lamb in accordance with the traditions of the Pharisees. So Pharisees had it right on some points of the Passover and Saducees on others by which Yeshua did that which is right in the eyes of the Lord.
John in his gospel clearly defined that Yeshua died exactly at the time when Passover lambs were being sacrificed in the Temple (see John 19:14) and none of his bones were broken following the requirement of the pascal lamb (John 19:32, 33, 36)
Numbers 9:2–3, which explains: "Let the children of Israel keep the Passover at its appointed time. On the fourteenth day of this month, at twilight, you shall keep it at its appointed time."
Leviticus 23:4–6, On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the Lord’s Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread." .
God commanded the children of Israel to kill the Passover lamb in the evening, Ex. 12:6. The Hebrew word for evening in Ex. 12:6 is ‘ereb. This is very vague vague word because it can refer to the beginning of the day, as in Genesis descriptions ( 1:5, 8,13, 19, 23, 31) or to the end of the day, as in, Ex. 12:18, Lev. 23:32. But Lev. 23:5, Num. 9:3, 5, 11 uses beyn ha’arbayim which means "between the two evenings".
The two leading religious parties differed in the exact time of the Paschal preparation and sacrifice and of the paschal meal.
The Pharisees held that the lamb was to be slaughtered in the afternoon of the 14th of Nissan (between the periods 12 noon and 3 P.M) and eaten after the sun set (after 6 PM our time) (which is the 15th in the Hebrew Calendar) The Seven days of unleavened bread extended from 15th to the 21st.
The Sadducees held the Office of High Priest during the life time of Yeshua. They were the the Calendar Committee at that time. They were more conservative and believed that the Feasts of Passover and Unleavened Bread were separate feast days. The synoptic gospels says that Yeshua ate a Passover meal with the twelve on the evening beginning Nisan 14, in accordance with the "official" calendar.
The lay scholars of the law - Pharisees - held Passover on the fifteenth.
Yeshua and his Apostles did eat the Passover following the traditions of the Saducees and Yeshua became the Passover Lamb in accordance with the traditions of the Pharisees. So Pharisees had it right on some points of the Passover and Saducees on others by which Yeshua did that which is right in the eyes of the Lord.
John in his gospel clearly defined that Yeshua died exactly at the time when Passover lambs were being sacrificed in the Temple (see John 19:14) and none of his bones were broken following the requirement of the pascal lamb (John 19:32, 33, 36)
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What follows is a close examination of the biblical record, in which Yeshua was killed on the 14th of Nisan in the afternoon, and the next day was the annual Sabbath, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. We shall also see from the biblical record that this annual Sabbath did not fall on the weekly Sabbath, in the year that Yeshua died.
Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You." But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; yet no sign shall be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster; so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:38-40
But later on two came forward, and said, "This man stated, I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days." Matthew 26:61
Now on the next day, which is the one after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate, and said, "Sir, we remember that when he was still alive that deceiver said, 'After three days I am to rise again.' Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, lest the disciples come and steal Him away and say to the people, 'He has risen from the dead,' and the last deception be worse than the first." Pilate said to them, "You have a guard; go, make it secure as you know how." And they went and made the grave secure, and along with the guard they set a seal on the stone. Matthew 27:62-66
You'll notice that the above text from Matthew 27, recorded that the chief priests met with Pilate the morning after the crucifixion to get permission to post a guard and seal the tomb. The Bible records that this was the day after the day of preparation. This day of preparation is the 14th of Abib/Nisan, when the homes were scoured for any leavened bread within the house and a preparation of food was readied for the Passover meal, and the Feast of Unleavened Bread [Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, 31, 42]. Therefore, the grave of Jesus was not sealed until the morning of the 15th of Abib/Nisan, on the annual Sabbath. In the text from John 19, we learn that the body of Jesus needed to be removed from the cross because the Sabbath was about to begin and that Sabbath was a high day or annual Sabbath. This is consistent with the other verses which teach that the day of preparation was the day that Yeshua died.
The Jews therefore, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. John 19:31
And Nicodemus came also, who had first come to Him by night; bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight. And so they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. John 19:39-40
And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in clean linen cloth, and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away. And Mary Magdalene was there, and the other Mary, sitting opposite the grave. Matthew 27:59-61
And Joseph bought a linen sheet, took Him down, wrapped Him in the linen sheet, and laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses were looking on to see where He was laid. Mark 15:46-47
And it was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed after, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. Luke 23:54-56
In totality, the above verses together give us the complete picture of what happened after Yeshua's death, how His body was prepared for burial, and who observed this process. It is extremely important to notice that none of the above texts alone gives the complete story, and that you have to read all together to get the whole story. Joseph took Yeshua's body after receiving permission from Pilate, bought a linen sheet, and bound the body with Nicodemus' assistance. Nicodemus had brought a hundred pounds of myrrh and aloes, which they bound with the body. The tomb was near where Yeshua was crucified, and belonged to Joseph who had carved this tomb out of rock. It was a new tomb that had never before been used. Also, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses accompanied the body from the cross and watched the entire process of burial. When Yeshua's body was laid in the tomb, then Joseph, assisted by Nicodemus, rolled a large stone in front of the tomb opening and left. Finally, the two Mary's left and prepared spices and perfumes, before resting on the Sabbath.
The next collection of verses will explore the role of the women in preparing spices and perfumes with which they intended to anoint the body of Yeshua.
And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared. and they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. Luke 23:56, 24:1-2
Now late on the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. And behold a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his garment as white as snow; and the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men. Matthew 28:1-4
And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might anoint Him. And very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. And they were saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?" And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large. Mark 16:1-4
Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb. And so she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Yeshua loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him." John 20:1-2
You may have to reread the above verses to notice that the women who had watched Yeshua's body being laid in the tomb, prepared perfumes and spices. The Mark 16 text says that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary bought spices AFTER the Sabbath and prepared them. While the Luke 23 text states that the women prepared spices and then rested on the Sabbath. This is consistent with an annual Sabbath on Thursday, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. We know that these are the same women because the Bible verses all relate that Mary Magdalene was involved in all these events. However, two other Mary's are mentioned, one the mother of James and Salome, and the other the mother of Joses. In all cases, Mary Magdalene was involved. Therefore, the women saw Yeshua's body being laid in the tomb on a Wednesday afternoon, they rested on the annual Sabbath on Thursday, and bought spices on Friday. They prepared the spices on Friday and then rested according to the commandment on the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. After the weekly Sabbath, they intended to anoint Yeshua's body with the perfumes and spices. Therefore both intuitively and by evidence, we have proven that Passover was on a Wednesday, and that Jesus did as He had said, which was to rise again after three days and three nights. What remains to determine, is whether Yeshua rose as the weekly Sabbath was ending or at sunrise on Sunday?
You'll notice through a comparison of the four gospels that Mary Magdalene and the disciples went to the tomb a number of times. In some it was still dark, and in some it was already light. It wasn't until it was light on Sunday that they actually discovered that He had risen, in the first visits the tomb was empty. The above text in John 20, tells us of the first visit by Mary Magdalene when it was dark, the tomb was empty, and she had not been told that Yeshua was risen, and only saw the stone rolled away. There is one verse which seems to tell us that Jesus rose on the first day of the week.
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. Mark 16:9
The above text would seem to conclusively prove that Jesus rose early in the evening on the first day of the week, what we would call Saturday night. Some commentators have speculated that verses 9-20 of this chapter were later added since they weren't in any of the early manuscripts. Whether or not that is true, the reader ought to know that the meaning of a verse may be altered by the addition of a comma or a deletion. The original text did not have these punctuation marks in the Greek text, so they were added later. If a comma is added after risen, the verse takes on an entirely different meaning. Now after He had risen, early on the first day of the week He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. This change is not altering scripture since it was not written with punctuation marks. This makes the verse consistent with all the four gospels, where Mary Magdalene visited the grave, shortly after the Sabbath ended, and saw the empty grave with the stone rolled away, but did not see an angel or see Yeshua. It was later, when the sun had risen on Sunday morning that she came with Mary the mother of James and Salome back to the tomb, saw an angel who told her that he had risen, and then saw Yeshua. One can imagine that Mary asked Mary Magdalene, "Who would roll away the stone?" as they approached the tomb, since Mary Magdalene had not mentioned that she had been there earlier and saw the empty grave. Then she went and told the disciples that she saw the angel and saw Yeshua. The following verse clearly shows us that Mary Magdalene came to the grave as the weekly Sabbath was ending.
Now late on the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. Matthew 28:1 (NASB)
in the evening, at Sabbath, when went up, the beginning (the dawning), belonging, to the last of, in the Sabbath, arrived, Miryam, the Magdalene, and Miryam, the different (the other), came to see, the tomb (the grave).
It is obvious by repeating "the Sabbath" twice, that it is making the point that it was at twilight, that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to the tomb. By stressing "the last of the Sabbath", the verse drives home the point that this was Saturday evening, but that the twilight period still belonged to the Sabbath. There were no streetlights then, and no flashlights, so if the full moon had not yet risen, then when it got dark, it got really dark, really fast. The 2 Mary's had just enough time to look around and leave. Mary's arrived at the tomb at twilight on Saturday evening and the stone had already been rolled away.
Why didn't the 2 Mary's try to anoint the body of Yeshua on Friday, since they had prepared the spices and perfumes on Friday before the weekly Sabbath began? It is because in Matthew 27:62-66, Pilate had given the Roman order to have the grave sealed on Thursday morning, and they had put the Roman seal on it and posted guards until the 3 days were complete. Therefore, if the 2 Marys had tried to annoint the body on Friday, they would have broken the law and been arrested. They waited until after the 3 days, so as to avoid arrest. The apostles were all in hiding at the time, fearing possibly their own arrest, so it fell to the 2 Mary's to annoint the body.
The fact is that the Seder celebrated with the bread and wine by Yeshua and the disciples took place on the evening of the fourth day of the week (we would say Tuesday evening). Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday and was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. He rose from the dead late on the Sabbath. Finally, He revealed Himself to Mary Magdalene and the disciples on the first day of the week, shortly after sunrise.
Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You." But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; yet no sign shall be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet; for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster; so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:38-40
But later on two came forward, and said, "This man stated, I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days." Matthew 26:61
Now on the next day, which is the one after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered together with Pilate, and said, "Sir, we remember that when he was still alive that deceiver said, 'After three days I am to rise again.' Therefore, give orders for the grave to be made secure until the third day, lest the disciples come and steal Him away and say to the people, 'He has risen from the dead,' and the last deception be worse than the first." Pilate said to them, "You have a guard; go, make it secure as you know how." And they went and made the grave secure, and along with the guard they set a seal on the stone. Matthew 27:62-66
You'll notice that the above text from Matthew 27, recorded that the chief priests met with Pilate the morning after the crucifixion to get permission to post a guard and seal the tomb. The Bible records that this was the day after the day of preparation. This day of preparation is the 14th of Abib/Nisan, when the homes were scoured for any leavened bread within the house and a preparation of food was readied for the Passover meal, and the Feast of Unleavened Bread [Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:14, 31, 42]. Therefore, the grave of Jesus was not sealed until the morning of the 15th of Abib/Nisan, on the annual Sabbath. In the text from John 19, we learn that the body of Jesus needed to be removed from the cross because the Sabbath was about to begin and that Sabbath was a high day or annual Sabbath. This is consistent with the other verses which teach that the day of preparation was the day that Yeshua died.
The Jews therefore, because it was the day of preparation, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. John 19:31
And Nicodemus came also, who had first come to Him by night; bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight. And so they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews. John 19:39-40
And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in clean linen cloth, and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away. And Mary Magdalene was there, and the other Mary, sitting opposite the grave. Matthew 27:59-61
And Joseph bought a linen sheet, took Him down, wrapped Him in the linen sheet, and laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses were looking on to see where He was laid. Mark 15:46-47
And it was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin. Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed after, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. Luke 23:54-56
In totality, the above verses together give us the complete picture of what happened after Yeshua's death, how His body was prepared for burial, and who observed this process. It is extremely important to notice that none of the above texts alone gives the complete story, and that you have to read all together to get the whole story. Joseph took Yeshua's body after receiving permission from Pilate, bought a linen sheet, and bound the body with Nicodemus' assistance. Nicodemus had brought a hundred pounds of myrrh and aloes, which they bound with the body. The tomb was near where Yeshua was crucified, and belonged to Joseph who had carved this tomb out of rock. It was a new tomb that had never before been used. Also, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses accompanied the body from the cross and watched the entire process of burial. When Yeshua's body was laid in the tomb, then Joseph, assisted by Nicodemus, rolled a large stone in front of the tomb opening and left. Finally, the two Mary's left and prepared spices and perfumes, before resting on the Sabbath.
The next collection of verses will explore the role of the women in preparing spices and perfumes with which they intended to anoint the body of Yeshua.
And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment. But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared. and they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. Luke 23:56, 24:1-2
Now late on the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. And behold a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his garment as white as snow; and the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men. Matthew 28:1-4
And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might anoint Him. And very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. And they were saying to one another, "Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?" And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, although it was extremely large. Mark 16:1-4
Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb. And so she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Yeshua loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him." John 20:1-2
You may have to reread the above verses to notice that the women who had watched Yeshua's body being laid in the tomb, prepared perfumes and spices. The Mark 16 text says that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary bought spices AFTER the Sabbath and prepared them. While the Luke 23 text states that the women prepared spices and then rested on the Sabbath. This is consistent with an annual Sabbath on Thursday, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. We know that these are the same women because the Bible verses all relate that Mary Magdalene was involved in all these events. However, two other Mary's are mentioned, one the mother of James and Salome, and the other the mother of Joses. In all cases, Mary Magdalene was involved. Therefore, the women saw Yeshua's body being laid in the tomb on a Wednesday afternoon, they rested on the annual Sabbath on Thursday, and bought spices on Friday. They prepared the spices on Friday and then rested according to the commandment on the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. After the weekly Sabbath, they intended to anoint Yeshua's body with the perfumes and spices. Therefore both intuitively and by evidence, we have proven that Passover was on a Wednesday, and that Jesus did as He had said, which was to rise again after three days and three nights. What remains to determine, is whether Yeshua rose as the weekly Sabbath was ending or at sunrise on Sunday?
You'll notice through a comparison of the four gospels that Mary Magdalene and the disciples went to the tomb a number of times. In some it was still dark, and in some it was already light. It wasn't until it was light on Sunday that they actually discovered that He had risen, in the first visits the tomb was empty. The above text in John 20, tells us of the first visit by Mary Magdalene when it was dark, the tomb was empty, and she had not been told that Yeshua was risen, and only saw the stone rolled away. There is one verse which seems to tell us that Jesus rose on the first day of the week.
Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. Mark 16:9
The above text would seem to conclusively prove that Jesus rose early in the evening on the first day of the week, what we would call Saturday night. Some commentators have speculated that verses 9-20 of this chapter were later added since they weren't in any of the early manuscripts. Whether or not that is true, the reader ought to know that the meaning of a verse may be altered by the addition of a comma or a deletion. The original text did not have these punctuation marks in the Greek text, so they were added later. If a comma is added after risen, the verse takes on an entirely different meaning. Now after He had risen, early on the first day of the week He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. This change is not altering scripture since it was not written with punctuation marks. This makes the verse consistent with all the four gospels, where Mary Magdalene visited the grave, shortly after the Sabbath ended, and saw the empty grave with the stone rolled away, but did not see an angel or see Yeshua. It was later, when the sun had risen on Sunday morning that she came with Mary the mother of James and Salome back to the tomb, saw an angel who told her that he had risen, and then saw Yeshua. One can imagine that Mary asked Mary Magdalene, "Who would roll away the stone?" as they approached the tomb, since Mary Magdalene had not mentioned that she had been there earlier and saw the empty grave. Then she went and told the disciples that she saw the angel and saw Yeshua. The following verse clearly shows us that Mary Magdalene came to the grave as the weekly Sabbath was ending.
Now late on the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. Matthew 28:1 (NASB)
in the evening, at Sabbath, when went up, the beginning (the dawning), belonging, to the last of, in the Sabbath, arrived, Miryam, the Magdalene, and Miryam, the different (the other), came to see, the tomb (the grave).
It is obvious by repeating "the Sabbath" twice, that it is making the point that it was at twilight, that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to the tomb. By stressing "the last of the Sabbath", the verse drives home the point that this was Saturday evening, but that the twilight period still belonged to the Sabbath. There were no streetlights then, and no flashlights, so if the full moon had not yet risen, then when it got dark, it got really dark, really fast. The 2 Mary's had just enough time to look around and leave. Mary's arrived at the tomb at twilight on Saturday evening and the stone had already been rolled away.
Why didn't the 2 Mary's try to anoint the body of Yeshua on Friday, since they had prepared the spices and perfumes on Friday before the weekly Sabbath began? It is because in Matthew 27:62-66, Pilate had given the Roman order to have the grave sealed on Thursday morning, and they had put the Roman seal on it and posted guards until the 3 days were complete. Therefore, if the 2 Marys had tried to annoint the body on Friday, they would have broken the law and been arrested. They waited until after the 3 days, so as to avoid arrest. The apostles were all in hiding at the time, fearing possibly their own arrest, so it fell to the 2 Mary's to annoint the body.
The fact is that the Seder celebrated with the bread and wine by Yeshua and the disciples took place on the evening of the fourth day of the week (we would say Tuesday evening). Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday and was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. He rose from the dead late on the Sabbath. Finally, He revealed Himself to Mary Magdalene and the disciples on the first day of the week, shortly after sunrise.
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It took me over a week to learn on how I can get back to my post & reply.
2-Thank you for the reply.
3-My mother was Jewish & my father was a non-believing Catholic. My mother never attend Jewish services. I don't know if this the reason I am feleilng a pssion for this subject.
4-I will have to return and study further all the comments. I scanned them this AM.
5-My main concern is that the Passover should be a unique Holy day where we as Christians are reminded that the Father of Abrahm, Isaac and Jacob saved and that the resurections continues to save. The undelining thesis is why did Jesus pick the Passover as the time of his resurection.
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John 10:10
2-Thank you for the reply.
3-My mother was Jewish & my father was a non-believing Catholic. My mother never attend Jewish services. I don't know if this the reason I am feleilng a pssion for this subject.
4-I will have to return and study further all the comments. I scanned them this AM.
5-My main concern is that the Passover should be a unique Holy day where we as Christians are reminded that the Father of Abrahm, Isaac and Jacob saved and that the resurections continues to save. The undelining thesis is why did Jesus pick the Passover as the time of his resurection.
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Torah
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The underlining thesis is why Jesus picked the Passover as the time of his resurrection.
Because the Passover Seader has been a rehearsal each year of the Messiahs coming death & resurrection. The similarities are astounding! G-d timing is not set by mans timing.
Year Easter
Gregorian calculation--------Julian calculation--------Matching
2001- APR-15-------------------APR-15-----------yes
2002- MAR-31-------------------MAY-5
2003- APR-20-------------------APR-27
2004- APR-11------------------APR-11-----------yes
2005- MAR-27-----------------MAY-1
2006- APR-16------------------APR-23
2007- APR-8-------------------APR-8------------yes
2008- MAR-23-----------------APR-27
2009- APR-12-----------------APR-19
2010- APR-4-------------------APR-4------------yes
http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter4.htm
Why Jesus picked the Passover as the time of his resurrection.
He did not pick the day of Easter, because it was & is a Pagan day, set by the sun, for sun-worship. This is why the days of Easter do not fall on the days of Passover, [most of the time.]
http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter.htm
I hope this answers you question.
Because the Passover Seader has been a rehearsal each year of the Messiahs coming death & resurrection. The similarities are astounding! G-d timing is not set by mans timing.
Year Easter
Gregorian calculation--------Julian calculation--------Matching
2001- APR-15-------------------APR-15-----------yes
2002- MAR-31-------------------MAY-5
2003- APR-20-------------------APR-27
2004- APR-11------------------APR-11-----------yes
2005- MAR-27-----------------MAY-1
2006- APR-16------------------APR-23
2007- APR-8-------------------APR-8------------yes
2008- MAR-23-----------------APR-27
2009- APR-12-----------------APR-19
2010- APR-4-------------------APR-4------------yes
http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter4.htm
Why Jesus picked the Passover as the time of his resurrection.
He did not pick the day of Easter, because it was & is a Pagan day, set by the sun, for sun-worship. This is why the days of Easter do not fall on the days of Passover, [most of the time.]
http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter.htm
I hope this answers you question.
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I definately think we should observe Passover, and this is the first year that I will fully be doing it in my home. I also understand that the etymology of Easter comes from the pagan goddess Ishtar, and that some of the observances (easter eggs, etc) are pagan fertility symbols.
However, I avoid calling it Easter, I refer to it as Ressurrection Sunday. And in that vein I do not think that there is anything particularly wrong - in fact I think it is an extremely important day of remembrance - to devote those two weekends (Palm Sunday and Ressurection Sunday) to remembering the Passion and Ressurection of our Lord Yeshua.
If remembering the deliverance of national Israel in the time of Esther via Purim, or in the time of the Maccabees via Hannukah are worthy observances (and they are), then how much more worthy is it to remember the deliverance of all the elect of all ages through the Sacrifice of the Lamb of God and the victory achieved on Ressurection Sunday?
However, I avoid calling it Easter, I refer to it as Ressurrection Sunday. And in that vein I do not think that there is anything particularly wrong - in fact I think it is an extremely important day of remembrance - to devote those two weekends (Palm Sunday and Ressurection Sunday) to remembering the Passion and Ressurection of our Lord Yeshua.
If remembering the deliverance of national Israel in the time of Esther via Purim, or in the time of the Maccabees via Hannukah are worthy observances (and they are), then how much more worthy is it to remember the deliverance of all the elect of all ages through the Sacrifice of the Lamb of God and the victory achieved on Ressurection Sunday?
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For me, (this was a decision made before I became messianic) it is wrong to celebrate either holiday (Keeping Pesach only).
I had a growing interest in witchcraft when I was a teenager. I don't know if that is just because of what I studied or the fact it really just has a lure and it is more and more in books, media etc and seeming "nice" - but I had that lure.
Then I met two pagans into all of that... and it totally changed my perspective as a believer.
I had already stopped celebrating Hallowe'en (samhain) and Valentine's day... and a few other things were beginning to "go out"... but it took meeting them to see what I had compromised with and rectify the problem.
it took a lot of study and prayer (Many tears shed) and a determination to remove all bad elements in my life, from symbology to books to practical application of my faith.
It made me think crucially at what i had lost and beg G-d to show me where I needed to go. I said "if I can't celebrate these because it is compromise, what CAN I celebrate?"
And I felt it impressed upon me "What about my holy days? have you even thought about them?"
I argued and debated and begged and pleaded, and found a lady on a messageboard that was messianic and begged her for any information she could send my way... I wrote my great aunt to ask about our family history (she studies geneology) and got letters back.. I realized what had been done in my family and that I was a beginning in breaking a cycle..
My family in one way or another has been involved in witchcraft through their lives (I've not said this anywhere else to be honest) - either at one point or another... minor or major...
As the saying goes "the buck stops here".
I studied the ins and outs of paganism... I studied the ins and outs of the holidays, their origins and symbolism and realised it had to go. I quit attending church on these days because it was in a sense condoning what was being carried out.
I was not going to be one of the believers that hampers my message to the lost pagans in my area, who laughed at all who were compromised.
It is a hard road, but I am better for it. The pull is much less now and better able to control..
The problem for me is not what I don't celebrate, but rather coming under condemnation from other believers for what I do - even though I do not bring it up or argue my case.
Someone else may not have problems with it; but I do. I did call it "resurrection sunday" for a long time (about 10 years) before making the change..
My path may be different from someone else's.. but I know for whom I reach, everything I do must be blameless.
I had a growing interest in witchcraft when I was a teenager. I don't know if that is just because of what I studied or the fact it really just has a lure and it is more and more in books, media etc and seeming "nice" - but I had that lure.
Then I met two pagans into all of that... and it totally changed my perspective as a believer.
I had already stopped celebrating Hallowe'en (samhain) and Valentine's day... and a few other things were beginning to "go out"... but it took meeting them to see what I had compromised with and rectify the problem.
it took a lot of study and prayer (Many tears shed) and a determination to remove all bad elements in my life, from symbology to books to practical application of my faith.
It made me think crucially at what i had lost and beg G-d to show me where I needed to go. I said "if I can't celebrate these because it is compromise, what CAN I celebrate?"
And I felt it impressed upon me "What about my holy days? have you even thought about them?"
I argued and debated and begged and pleaded, and found a lady on a messageboard that was messianic and begged her for any information she could send my way... I wrote my great aunt to ask about our family history (she studies geneology) and got letters back.. I realized what had been done in my family and that I was a beginning in breaking a cycle..
My family in one way or another has been involved in witchcraft through their lives (I've not said this anywhere else to be honest) - either at one point or another... minor or major...
As the saying goes "the buck stops here".
I studied the ins and outs of paganism... I studied the ins and outs of the holidays, their origins and symbolism and realised it had to go. I quit attending church on these days because it was in a sense condoning what was being carried out.
I was not going to be one of the believers that hampers my message to the lost pagans in my area, who laughed at all who were compromised.
It is a hard road, but I am better for it. The pull is much less now and better able to control..
The problem for me is not what I don't celebrate, but rather coming under condemnation from other believers for what I do - even though I do not bring it up or argue my case.
Someone else may not have problems with it; but I do. I did call it "resurrection sunday" for a long time (about 10 years) before making the change..
My path may be different from someone else's.. but I know for whom I reach, everything I do must be blameless.
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Yeshua was the Passover Lamb, and he arose on First Fruits.
Why would anyone need to worship at any other time then those appointed by the Most High? It is wonderful to honor Adonai every day, but to make up special time and ignore those set by the Holy One just makes no sense.
The Appointed times are so full of meaning, and no matter how many times you complete the cycle there is always more to learn about each of them.
Why would anyone need to worship at any other time then those appointed by the Most High? It is wonderful to honor Adonai every day, but to make up special time and ignore those set by the Holy One just makes no sense.
The Appointed times are so full of meaning, and no matter how many times you complete the cycle there is always more to learn about each of them.
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1-Wags the question I have for you is the Passover one of the appointed by the Most High?
2-Did not the Most High ask us to clebrate the Passover?
3-Why did Yeshua clebrate the Passover and ask do this in rememberance of Me?
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Berean Todd congratulation on celebrating Passover.
1-I think the y question we have to ask of many Christians is why did Yeshua celebrate the Passover?
2-Can we say just as the Father saved the Israelites, I {meaning Yeshua} can save all?
3-Is the Passover the Holy Day that reminds us that Yeshua is the at Father as well as the Son?
4-Is the Passover the Holy Day that links Yeshua to the Creation and
that the History of the Jews and the save is one?
5-Finally what can we do to get other Christians to celebrate the Resurection during the Passover time as Yeshua did?
1-I think the y question we have to ask of many Christians is why did Yeshua celebrate the Passover?
2-Can we say just as the Father saved the Israelites, I {meaning Yeshua} can save all?
3-Is the Passover the Holy Day that reminds us that Yeshua is the at Father as well as the Son?
4-Is the Passover the Holy Day that links Yeshua to the Creation and
that the History of the Jews and the save is one?
5-Finally what can we do to get other Christians to celebrate the Resurection during the Passover time as Yeshua did?
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Rueben - it would seem that you have an agenda behind your questions, so I'm going to be rather blunt and ask what exactly is your point?
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We are doing what we can, and the rest is up to the Lord. After all, He does the calling, and those that hear His Voice will follow, and will be gathered in to His flock. Just like He lead me and countless others.
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In response to WAGS.
My personal dilemma or agenda or search is
1-I was born to a Jewish Mother & a Black non-practicing Catholic father; they were married in the 40's
2-Having received the Lord as my Savior in 1979 and sporadically having studied and prayed it has continued to bug me that as Christians we really do not understand the Jewish Heritage.
3-About three or four years ago, I really can't remeber the circumstance,
I really began to wonder why was easter not celebrated on the Passover.
4-After doing gradual & sporadic research I realized that the Passover
holds significance not only for the Jews but for the Christians as well. And the Christian church moved away from the Passover to separate itself from their Jewish bretheren. From my understanding and reading the early Christians celebrated the resurection as part of the Passover
5- I think we should again be doing this again.
My personal dilemma or agenda or search is
1-I was born to a Jewish Mother & a Black non-practicing Catholic father; they were married in the 40's
2-Having received the Lord as my Savior in 1979 and sporadically having studied and prayed it has continued to bug me that as Christians we really do not understand the Jewish Heritage.
3-About three or four years ago, I really can't remeber the circumstance,
I really began to wonder why was easter not celebrated on the Passover.
4-After doing gradual & sporadic research I realized that the Passover
holds significance not only for the Jews but for the Christians as well. And the Christian church moved away from the Passover to separate itself from their Jewish bretheren. From my understanding and reading the early Christians celebrated the resurection as part of the Passover
5- I think we should again be doing this again.
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In responding to Berean Todd
You ask me clarify:
1-I made one typo in; I am sorry
2-I was trying to say that the G-- of creation & Yeshua are one & the same. The G- -- of Israel is the G-- for us all. The Passover reminds of this. Just as G-- saved the Israelites He also sent his SOn to save us all.
The Passover is Holy Day to celebrated by both Jew & Gentile. It is the connection that is needed (IMO)
3-Hope this clarifies a bit
In responding to Torah
I think you made my point clearer. Now I pray that others will see it this clearly and celebrate the Day the Lord has chosen & not the days Pagans have chosen.
You ask me clarify:
1-I made one typo in; I am sorry
2-I was trying to say that the G-- of creation & Yeshua are one & the same. The G- -- of Israel is the G-- for us all. The Passover reminds of this. Just as G-- saved the Israelites He also sent his SOn to save us all.
The Passover is Holy Day to celebrated by both Jew & Gentile. It is the connection that is needed (IMO)
3-Hope this clarifies a bit
In responding to Torah
I think you made my point clearer. Now I pray that others will see it this clearly and celebrate the Day the Lord has chosen & not the days Pagans have chosen.
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Rueben - you are "preaching to the chior" brother. Messianics observe the Appointed times of the Most High.
Messianics observe the Appointed times of the Most High.
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Wags thank you for bringing up the point that Jesus rose on first fruits, this is often overlooked in the debate between passover and easter. Paul refers to Jesus as being our Passover and our first fruits. There is just so much to be learned through the feasts and it is so frustrating that the main stream church would rather follow the doctrines and holidays of men rather than God's appointed feast days.
Sorry about my venting, I hope you don't mind.
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To Wags & Jappajava
So how can the choir be heard by others.
That is one of my prayers is that the mainline churches should observe the Passover as a way to celebrate the Resurection.
So how can the choir be heard by others.
That is one of my prayers is that the mainline churches should observe the Passover as a way to celebrate the Resurection.
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