Mary Cheney's Pregnancy: "Blessing From God"

[christalee4]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/u...53c4c19d&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin

These aren't your garden variety lesbians of Satan, people. The daughter of the Vice President indeed invokes God as far as her pregnancy goes. She believes that her baby should be accepted in her relationship, as anybody else's. And why should not God accept it?

She, as well as the baby, are part of God's plan, no?

Or do you disagree?

 

[SuddenlyISee]

That is so wonderful. I wish my cousin could get such a blessing. She has spent so much money trying to get pregnant.

Anyway, yeah for Mary Cheney!

 

[HannahBanana]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/u...53c4c19d&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin

These aren't your garden variety lesbians of Satan, people. The daughter of the Vice President indeed invokes God as far as her pregnancy goes. She believes that her baby should be accepted in her relationship, as anybody else's. And why should not God accept it?

She, as well as the baby, are part of God's plan, no?

Or do you disagree?

You know, I just love the hypocrisy displayed by anti-gay, yet pro-Bush-administration, Christians. It just makes me all happy inside.

 

[christalee4]

It's very interesting to me how Mary Cheney invokes God, yet, within the beliefs of those who boosted her father's Republican Party, many of them disavow same-sex marriages, as well as same-sex pregnancies and family situations. God's blessings may only focus upon a few religious gay people who have the right connections, but not all.

 

[SuddenlyISee]

It's very interesting to me how Mary Cheney invokes God, yet, within the beliefs of those who boosted her father's Republican Party, many of them disavow same-sex marriages, as well as same-sex pregnancies and family situations. God's blessings may only focus upon a few religious gay people who have the right connections, but not all.

I don't understand what the beliefs of the Republican Party have to do with Mary Cheney believing her baby is a blessing from God.

 

[katautumn]

You know what I find so striking? The same pro-life people who tell women, regardless of whether they are crack-addicted promiscuous women or not, that they'd better view their pregnancy and being a mother as a blessing will do nothing but talk about Mary Cheney's "poor child", being born to lesbians who will have "nothing to offer" a child. So, why would one pregnancy be a blessing from God, but this one is an abomination? Either all pregnancies are a blessing or they are not. I also find it appalling that people like James Dobson criticise Mary for bringing a child into the world because children are best raised by a mother and a father, and yet Focus on the Family doesn't seem very concerned about single mothers working their butts off to provide the best they can for their families. What is "best" and what is "right" are not always one and the same.

I wish a very healthy pregnancy for Mary.

 

[HannahBanana]

You know what I find so striking? The same pro-life people who tell women, regardless of whether they are crack-addicted promiscuous women or not, that they'd better view their pregnancy and being a mother as a blessing will do nothing but talk about Mary Cheney's "poor child", being born to lesbians who will have "nothing to offer" a child. So, why would one pregnancy be a blessing from God, but this one is an abomination? Either all pregnancies are a blessing or they are not. I also find it appalling that people like James Dobson criticise Mary for bringing a child into the world because children are best raised by a mother and a father, and yet Focus on the Family doesn't seem very concerned about single mothers working their butts off to provide the best they can for their families. What is "best" and what is "right" are not always one and the same.

I wish a very healthy pregnancy for Mary.

Wait a sec--Conservative Republicans are speaking ill of a direct relative of someone in the Bush administration? That doesn't make much sense. I thought they were supposed to worship the ground that Bush, Cheney, and everyone even distantly related to them, walked on. Is there a double standard going on here, or what?

 

[HannahBanana]

I don't understand what the beliefs of the Republican Party have to do with Mary Cheney believing her baby is a blessing from God.

Many Conservative Republicans think that GLBTs shouldn't be able to raise children, since GLBTs are "an abomination" (not my words). Therefore, the fact that some Conservative Republicans are okay with Mary Cheney's pregnancy, and okay with her calling it a "gift from God," is a little more than slightly hypocritical.

 

[gwenmead]

It must be really weird, to have a demographic you're vehemently opposed to land right in your own family. I can imagine there's a lot of cognitive dissonance happening in some members of the Cheney family right now...

Personally, I hope her pregnancy goes well, and that she and her partner are happy, dedicated, loving parents. In the end, that's what matters, more than the fact that they're both women.

 

[JGG]

Meh. Its politics. Politics is usually pretty hypocritical.

 

[imind]

These aren't your garden variety lesbians of Satan, people.

please, oh please elaborate on this.

other lesbians are typically of satan?

The daughter of the Vice President indeed invokes God as far as her pregnancy goes.

so, because she invokes god, her lesbianism isn't the product of satan? what is it a product of, then?

 

[MooCar93]

Are you saying that her baby, which is born of a lesbian relationship, is a product of Satan?

I interpreted that as sarcasm. That's just me, though.

 

[SuddenlyISee]

Many Conservative Republicans think that GLBTs shouldn't be able to raise children, since GLBTs are "an abomination" (not my words). Therefore, the fact that some Conservative Republicans are okay with Mary Cheney's pregnancy, and okay with her calling it a "gift from God," is a little more than slightly hypocritical.

Right. I see the hypocrisy in the people who are doing that, but I thought the point of the post I quoted was that what they believe should somehow effect what Mary Cheney believes just because they support her father. That is what my question was about- what do their beliefs have to do with hers?

I might have misunderstood the point of the post I quoted, though. To tell you the truth, I've read it several times and it doesn't make much sense to me......

It's very interesting to me how Mary Cheney invokes God, yet, within the beliefs of those who boosted her father's Republican Party, many of them disavow same-sex marriages, as well as same-sex pregnancies and family situations. God's blessings may only focus upon a few religious gay people who have the right connections, but not all.

 

[Mling]

I liked John Stewarts take on that interview with Dick Cheney, when he snapped that the reporter was "out of line" for bringing up the traditional Republican views on homosexuality.

Stewart (using his Dick Cheney voice): "How DARE you apply my party's inhumane 'family values' to my family!"

Though, much as I dislike Dick, I have to grant that he has supported his daughter, which warrants some respect. My friend's girlfriend was from a similarly political, conservative family, and she supported her father's career and worked on his campaign. He accepted her help until she got outed online. Then he disowned her. Last I heard she was homeless--sacrificed on the altar of family values.

 

[SuddenlyISee]

It must be really weird, to have a demographic you're vehemently opposed to land right in your own family. I can imagine there's a lot of cognitive dissonance happening in some members of the Cheney family right now...

Haven't the Cheneys always been supportive of her? I was under the impression that Dick Cheney was the only person on that side of the aisle that was for gay marraige. Am I wrong?

I interpreted that as sarcasm. That's just me, though.

I did too.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

I see this whole thing as being very positive indeed. I think it shows that, when push comes to shove, most people are at heart decent, loving, tolerant, good and liberal human beings. It is, of course, a terrible shame that no-one (especially those in power) seems to be able to extend this to the people whose lives they affect daily but aren't related to, but it still shows that people can be good when they want to.



peace

 

[SuddenlyISee]

Though, much as I dislike Dick, I have to grant that he has supported his daughter, which warrants some respect. My friend's girlfriend was from a similarly political, conservative family, and she supported her father's career and worked on his campaign. He accepted her help until she got outed online. Then he disowned her. Last I heard she was homeless--sacrificed on the altar of family values.

I can't imagine the black hearted parents who could do that. I can't think of anything that would make it possible for me to disown my children.

 

[MooCar93]

I can't imagine the black hearted parents who could do that. I can't think of anything that would make it possible for me to disown my children.

I agree. I hope that heartless dad gets voted out of office. I sure as heck wouldn't want a man in any kind of position of leadership over me who would do something like that to his own flesh and blood.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I don't understand what the beliefs of the Republican Party have to do with Mary Cheney believing her baby is a blessing from God.

It's just another example of the dynamics of the contempt the political leadership of the GOP has for the religious right base. To the latter group, the gay and abortion issues are paramount. To the leadership, they are a cash cow.

Regular old fashioned pre-religious right Republicans know their own daughters will always have access to abortion even it means a plane trip to Amsterdam, so, they could care less about regular women's access to it here if it means votes. Same thing with the gay issue: a lot of top Republican operatives have been gay including the late Terry Dolan, and outgoing RNC Chair Ken Mehlman has supposedly been "outed" though he denies he's gay. Most, like Guiliani and the Buckley crowd at National Review have close gay friends and don't see a thing wrong with it but continue uttering hateful rhetoric about LGBTs because it incites the base.

Mary Cheney and her heterosexual sister (who recently penned a pro-war article that caused stirrings) are in the family business like Mom and Dad. Mary and her wife Heather Poe worked for the RNC. The entire Cheney family is laughing all the way as they do this little dance. Can you imagine the satisfaction they are feeling at openly expressing the contempt they feel for Dobson and other extremists? This is reminiscent of an afternoon soap opera in which the odious new fire and brimstone preacher in town is revealed to secretly have a shoe fetish while the cleverly immoral people who run the town laugh uproariously as he gets his comeuppance.

 

[Mling]

I hope that heartless dad gets voted out of office. I sure as heck wouldn't want a man in any kind of position of leadership over me who would do something like that to his own flesh and blood.

Let me a) remember his name, and then b) check that out.

I know several people who have been disowned for being gay, that isn't the part that really gets me. What bothers me more is that, knowing she was gay, he was perfectly willing to use her for his own benefit (when she was promoting him and working on his campaign), but he got rid of her as soon as she became a liability. This wasn't an angry father going,
"You're what?! I...can't believe...How?! Why!? I DON'T CARE JUST GET OUT!"

This was, she's gay, so she just plain and simple doesn't matter. He treated her like a tool long before he kicked her out.