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The cortozone should help, it did for me. I had to have 3 shots in my one hip before I could walk again. The first one hurt so bad I just about cried. :cry: Doc tells me , if they don't hurt, then he missed the spot where it is needed. :)


Unfortunately, that's true. I've had them in my wrist and knees.
I don't think any less of you, Jim. You're still macho in my eyes. ;)
 
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The drug you really should try for fibro is Cymbalta, it's been very effective for half the women who take it. That's really something. For men, nothing. That's really got a lot of pharmaceutical companies hopping because that's the first big difference that has shown up.

Anyway, you can read an article about it here: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=15180

And note, the pain relief was for both women with depression and without depression which seem strange for an antidepressant.

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Thanks Marv. Cymbalta is one of the drugs the doctor told me I would be going on. I will need to take away the Buspar first. So wed. will be my first try on the new drug.

I will read the article. The things you talked about cymbalta, are the same things the rheumatologist told me.

I think it was cheaper hearing it from you :) .
 
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any suggestions for a stuffed up nose??
A steamy shower and Vick's vapor rub, plus some Sudafed PE (the new stuff).

I hope you're not getting the flu.
My sweetie has it and it's not easy trying to take of him from across the pond. He's not eating or taking in enough liquid...I just know it! He just sleeps. Poor thing.
 
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no flu here, i know that...i have been taking the real sudafed (the PE doesnt seem to work for me), so we will see how i feel in the AM -- i dont wanna go to work, lol...i stayed home today & slept in, so if i feel gross in the morning i will call in & go back to bed!!
 
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Looks to me like it's a typo of "psychological". From googling the term, it seems to be a fairly common typo.

(Kinda like on our web pages at work. We have to do a period check for the word "pubic" instead of "public". We're the EPA. We have to be especially careful about typos like that. )
I know it's really a typo. . .I was joking.

Ha! You'll love this!

When I was a junior in high school, right on the front page, above the fold, on the Lake Charles American Press was a headline that read something including "PUBIC SCHOOL."

Yeah, somebody or somebodies got fired after that. . .

Stein Auf!
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Thanks Marv. Cymbalta is one of the drugs the doctor told me I would be going on. I will need to take away the Buspar first. So wed. will be my first try on the new drug.

I will read the article. The things you talked about cymbalta, are the same things the rheumatologist told me.

I think it was cheaper hearing it from you :) .

I know this isn't an "Ask the Pharmacist" and I don't know much about your condition, but a red flag that my husband keeps telling me about has kind of popped up here so I'll give you the information I know, and you can do with it what you want.

Doctors only have a semester of pharmacology in their medical training. They rely very much on what drug reps tell them, rather than understanding the drug itself.

Cymbalta is an SSRI it is in the same catagory of drugs as Prozac, Zoloft, and others. This means that the formulations are similar and it works in the same way. The manufacturers of Cymbalta chose to do studies on the pain relief side - so it can legally advertise as such. However, it has been known for a long time that all the SSRIs help in pain relief along with the depression. That is known as an off lable use. Doctors can prescribe drugs for off lable uses, but the manufacturers can't advertise for an off lable use.

What I'm trying to say is that Cymbalta is a rather new drug with no generic. It's very expensive. If you haven't tried any of the other SSRIs yet, you might want to consider that, because many of them come in lower cost generics which will save you money, along with your insurance company, which will help you in the long run. Just because it's the "new drug" out there, doesn't mean that it is necessarily better than the other SSRIs that have been around for a while.

What happens is when name brand drugs go off patent (which means generics can be made), the manufacturer will reformulate the drug into something similar enough that it can get it's own patent. Then it's advertised as the new great drug, when it's really no different from the generation before. Clarinex is a prime example - it's a prescription product, but it is extremely similar to Clariton, which is now OTC - so similar that most people won't know the difference. Lipitor is another example. There are earlier generations of statin drugs that can do the same thing, are cheaper, and sometimes with less side effects - especially for women.

More than anything, remember that your doctor's knowlege of many drugs come from the reps, not their education. If you get prescribed something new and expensive, talk to your pharmacist. Chances are, there is an earlier generation of the drug, that has a generic, that will do the same job.

Also in working in the Vioxx litigation - I learned that manufacturers will have the reps deliberately mislead doctors on the side effects, or the indications of a drug. In the case of Vioxx, reps were given a pamphlet called, and I kid you not, "Dodgeball Vioxx" for them to consult if a doctor asks about the studies showing heart attacks and strokes in people who took it.

This blew me away when I learned how it all works. However, I'm just sharing. You can do with it what you want. I just hope you get better. If you take anything from this, please start including your pharmacist in your health care team. Take advantage of the consultation counter and ask them about the drugs your doctor wants you to go on. That's what they are there for.

P.S. Celexa is advertised as an anti-anxiety drug. It is also an SSRI. My MIL takes a generic form of Zoloft for her anxiety and it works just fine for the off-lable use, and is much, much cheaper.
 
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I know this isn't an "Ask the Pharmacist" and I don't know much about your condition, but a red flag that my husband keeps telling me about has kind of popped up here so I'll give you the information I know, and you can do with it what you want.

Doctors only have a semester of pharmacology in their medical training. They rely very much on what drug reps tell them, rather than understanding the drug itself.

Cymbalta is an SSRI it is in the same catagory of drugs as Prozac, Zoloft, and others. This means that the formulations are similar and it works in the same way. The manufacturers of Cymbalta chose to do studies on the pain relief side - so it can legally advertise as such. However, it has been known for a long time that all the SSRIs help in pain relief along with the depression. That is known as an off lable use. Doctors can prescribe drugs for off lable uses, but the manufacturers can't advertise for an off lable use.

What I'm trying to say is that Cymbalta is a rather new drug with no generic. It's very expensive. If you haven't tried any of the other SSRIs yet, you might want to consider that, because many of them come in lower cost generics which will save you money, along with your insurance company, which will help you in the long run. Just because it's the "new drug" out there, doesn't mean that it is necessarily better than the other SSRIs that have been around for a while.

What happens is when name brand drugs go off patent (which means generics can be made), the manufacturer will reformulate the drug into something similar enough that it can get it's own patent. Then it's advertised as the new great drug, when it's really no different from the generation before. Clarinex is a prime example - it's a prescription product, but it is extremely similar to Clariton, which is now OTC - so similar that most people won't know the difference. Lipitor is another example. There are earlier generations of statin drugs that can do the same thing, are cheaper, and sometimes with less side effects - especially for women.

More than anything, remember that your doctor's knowlege of many drugs come from the reps, not their education. If you get prescribed something new and expensive, talk to your pharmacist. Chances are, there is an earlier generation of the drug, that has a generic, that will do the same job.

Also in working in the Vioxx litigation - I learned that manufacturers will have the reps deliberately mislead doctors on the side effects, or the indications of a drug. In the case of Vioxx, reps were given a pamphlet called, and I kid you not, "Dodgeball Vioxx" for them to consult if a doctor asks about the studies showing heart attacks and strokes in people who took it.

This blew me away when I learned how it all works. However, I'm just sharing. You can do with it what you want. I just hope you get better.

P.S. Celexa is advertised as an anti-anxiety drug. It is also an SSRI. My MIL takes a generic form of Zoloft for her anxiety and it works just fine for the off-lable use, and is much, much cheaper.

my mom worked for a family own pharmacy for over 50 years...first for the dad...then the 2 sons when they took over...i would get calls like, "They want you to take what with WHAT?"...it was a nice little security blanket that works VERY well...I would recommend anyone make the effort to have a VERY special relationship with thier phamacist...it will pay off one day I assure you...
 
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my mom worked for a family own pharmacy for over 50 years...first for the dad...then the 2 sons when they took over...i would get calls like, "They want you to take what with WHAT?"...it was a nice little security blanket that works VERY well...I would recommend anyone make the effort to have a VERY special relationship with thier phamacist...it will pay off one day I assure you...

Imagine being married to one. For one thing, they are very warped. ;) Also, I'm not allowed to have any name brand drug, OTC or prescription, in the house if there is a generic available. I don't know how many times I'll be prescribed something, I call him, and he tells me to call the doctor and ask for something different that comes in a generic. Never had a problem with the substitute. Then again, I go to doctors who have good relationships with the pharmacists - another bit of advice - don't go to a doctor who doesn't like pharmacists.

It's not like we are cheap. It's just hard to recommend generics to your patients when you don't take them yourself. Plus it's the principle of the thing. We are grossly overcharged for drugs to begin with.
 
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like the story goes...slow and steady wins the race...

start with subtle changes and move on from there...

my first was diet only cokes and stuff...

then spenda instead of sugar...

then everything kinda fell in line....
 
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