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Retreat Isn't an Option By Liz Cheney

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/22/AR2007012201103_pf.html


[SIZE=-1]By Liz Cheney
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Tuesday, January 23, 2007; A17

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Sen. Hillary Clinton declared this weekend, " I'm in to win." Anyone who has watched her remarkable trajectory can have no doubt that she'll do whatever it takes to win the presidency. I wish she felt the same way about the war.
In fairness, Clinton, with her proposal for arbitrary caps on troop levels and hemming and hawing about her vote for the war resolution, has company on both sides of the aisle. Sen. Joseph Lieberman is the only national Democrat showing any courage on this issue. We Republicans -- with help from senators such as Chuck Hagel -- seem ready to race the Democrats to the bottom.
I'd like to ask the politicians in both parties who are heading for the hills to stop and reflect on these basic facts:


· We are at war.





· Quitting helps the terrorists.





· Beware the polls.




· Retreat from Iraq hurts us in the broader war.



· Our soldiers will win if we let them. Read their blogs. Talk to them.



We must be in it to win.
Another "we must win at all costs" article. I keep asking and receive no reply from thos who support the Iraq war....What are we trying to win? The military has already completed it's objectives, what else is there?




Why must we talk to the soldiers? They are ordered to serve there and feel a great need support their friends.




What are we trying to win that we can win....

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/22/AR2007012201103_pf.html


[SIZE=-1]By Liz Cheney[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Tuesday, January 23, 2007; A17[/SIZE]


[size=-1]Another "we must win at all costs" article. I keep asking and receive no reply from thos who support the Iraq war....What are we trying to win? The military has already completed it's objectives, what else is there?
You keep asking, we keep answering, many keep ignoring

  • Short term, Iraq is making steady progress in fighting terrorists, meeting political milestones, building democratic institutions, and standing up security forces.
  • Medium term, Iraq is in the lead defeating terrorists and providing its own security, with a fully constitutional government in place, and on its way to achieving its economic potential.
  • Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the global war on terrorism.
That wraps it up
 
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You keep asking, we keep answering, many keep ignoring

That wraps it up
The military can NOT accomplish these goals. The only thing the military can do is kill, kill, kill. Only the Iraqi people change the way their country is run. I remember when Bush said he did not believe in nation building, yet that is precisely what we are attempting to do.

We have only one solution to win this for America....total destruction. Only Iraq can win this for themselves, and it wont get better until their civil war kills a whole mess of them.

Rice was asked just last week about consequences for unobtained benchmarks, and she had no reasonable answer except to say it is bad policy
frankly, to speculate on what you'll do if a plan fails that you're trying to make work. Iraq has been soverign for a couple years, and they haven't even reached many short term goals. Bush used the phrase "As Iraqis stand up, Americans will stand down"....this phrase has proved to be nothing more than meaningless rhetoric (as much else he says is), because we cant get the Iraqi's off of their knees long enough to defend their own country.
 
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Quote from editorial: "· We are at war. America faces an existential threat. ...."

There is a disconnect between how the administration presents the issue of war and how it affects Americans. The public sees reports on the news on daily Iraq bombings and killings, with US soldier deaths only reported when it has been a particularly bad day. The recent helicopter and ambush deaths in my local newspaper were on page 21 recently. Gas prices remain fairly low. There is no energy policy that asks Americans to conserve on gas, nor to car or energy companies to seek alternate methods and products that don't use oil.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june07/bush_01-16.html

In a recent interview with President Bush on the McNeil-Lehrer Newshour, Bush clearly shied away from the concept that all Americans should be asked to make sacrifices, in terms of economic gain, to help win the war on terror:

"MR. LEHRER: Let me ask you a bottom-line question, Mr. President. If it is as important as you've just said - and you've said it many times - as all of this is, particularly the struggle in Iraq, if it's that important to all of us and to the future of our country, if not the world, why have you not, as president of the United States, asked more Americans and more American interests to sacrifice something? The people who are now sacrificing are, you know, the volunteer military - the Army and the U.S. Marines and their families. They're the only people who are actually sacrificing anything at this point.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, you know, I think a lot of people are in this fight. I mean, they sacrifice peace of mind when they see the terrible images of violence on TV every night. I mean, we've got a fantastic economy here in the United States, but yet, when you think about the psychology of the country, it is somewhat down because of this war.
Now, here in Washington when I say, "What do you mean by that?," they say, "Well, why don't you raise their taxes; that'll cause there to be a sacrifice." I strongly oppose that. If that's the kind of sacrifice people are talking about, I'm not for it because raising taxes will hurt this growing economy. And one thing we want during this war on terror is for people to feel like their life's moving on, that they're able to make a living and send their kids to college and put more money on the table. And you know, I am interested and open-minded to the suggestion, but this is going to be -.."

Rather than write editorials, the most effective way for the supporters of the Bush administration is to call for an immediate war draft that enlists both young men and women - both rich and poor, from daughters and sons of corporations and government offices to the Walmart clerks. That will get the message through loud and clear.
 
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The military can NOT accomplish these goals. The only thing the military can do is kill, kill, kill. Only the Iraqi people change the way their country is run. I remember when Bush said he did not believe in nation building, yet that is precisely what we are attempting to do.

We have only one solution to win this for America....total destruction. Only Iraq can win this for themselves, and it wont get better until their civil war kills a whole mess of them.

Rice was asked just last week about consequences for unobtained benchmarks, and she had no reasonable answer except to say it is bad policy frankly, to speculate on what you'll do if a plan fails that you're trying to make work. Iraq has been soverign for a couple years, and they haven't even reached many short term goals. Bush used the phrase "As Iraqis stand up, Americans will stand down"....this phrase has proved to be nothing more than meaningless rhetoric (as much else he says is), because we cant get the Iraqi's off of their knees long enough to defend their own country.
The military has the responsibility of providing security while it trains the Iraqis to provide their own security.
 
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The military has the responsibility of providing security while it trains the Iraqis to provide their own security.

I am confident that if the U.S. Military was capable of providing for the security of the Iraqi people, it would have done so already.
 
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You keep asking, we keep answering, many keep ignoring

That wraps it up

And how "long term" are we talking? Indefinite. Because we're nowhere on the way to meeting those goals. Iraqi security forces are impotent and incompetent. Violence is not being countered, it is growing. We aren't able to stand down as they stand up, we're having to commit more of our soldiers. What does "victory at all costs" mean? If we're there 10 years from now in a similarly unstable environment with 15,000 more soldiers dead, will you guys still support staying? Because that's what "at all costs" would mean.
 
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So, when the Iraqi military is trained, can we claim victory? Is that when we win?
This is what I meant when I said many ignore what victory means. Perhaps you would like to reread what I posted on that subject, perhaps not.
 
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This is what I meant when I said many ignore what victory means. Perhaps you would like to reread what I posted on that subject, perhaps not.
Are you implying that training Iraq troops isn't a win? According to the information you posted, training the Iraqi's to fight for themselves is a medium term goal. Do you mean that we "win" only when Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the global war on terrorism.
 
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Are you implying that training Iraq troops isn't a win? According to the information you posted, training the Iraqi's to fight for themselves is a medium term goal. Do you mean that we "win" only when Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the global war on terrorism.
That would be the long term victory
 
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You did not answer the question you highlighted.

Do you mean that we "win" only when Iraq is peaceful......and the rest of the long term stuff.
Anything short of that would be a concession
 
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"Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the global war on terrorism."

We may as well rename Iraq "FantasyLand" now. That's the only place that will happen. How many full-time supporters are signing up to fight or having thier children do so?
 
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"Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the global war on terrorism."

We may as well rename Iraq "FantasyLand" now. That's the only place that will happen. How many full-time supporters are signing up to fight or having thier children do so?
That's a nice appeal to emotion, but you cannot have your own children sign up for military service.
 
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