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What is your BEST argument against evolution?
It depends on how you define evolution. My best arguement against evolution is science itself, esp. what they call "evo-devo". Also the arguement of explosions and extinctions is a very good arguement against slow gradual random change over time. The Bible says that God knows the end from the beginning and now science is beginning to show that is true. Life tends to radiate more then it evolves. A lot of the things that Gould predicted were going to be of significance.

New information and understanding is coming along so fast now that we can see the old theorys fall off as they are just not adaquate to explain what we currently know about the world we live in. Look at horse evolution for example. That theory has gone though some very radical changes recently. So it has been shown that the old theory is not corrent, just as we said that it was not correct.
 
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So it has been shown that the old theory is not corrent, just as we said that it was not correct.

I'm not sure the example you gave is correct but even allowing it for the sake of discussion - I guarantee it was not wong in the way you claimed and the subsequent modification bears no resemblance your hypothesis does it?

In short - It's not like you can claim any credit here.
 
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How is it that functionall advantageous genomes exist in a steady line from bacteria to humans with each functional organism being a single point mutation from the next?
Uh, Avatar, I don't think so, you have something confused here.

Nobody says this, and those that claim it must be true or evolution is false are making a strawman argument.

ABE: Oh, that's supposed to be your best argument? Are you chanelling SuperSport? Nevermind.
 
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I'm not sure the example you gave is correct.
It is easy to verify, just google up some information on horse evolution and see how much the thoery has changed in the last 10 years.

Which evolutionary theory do you want to talk about? What they currently believe, or what they use to believe or what they will believe in the future.

The Bible says that God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. This does not seem to be true for science that is in a constant state of change.

In short - It's not like you can claim any credit here.

I am not trying to claim any credit for anything. I am just showing that science has verified that what we have been saying all along is true. This is a science forum and I believe that there is substantial scientific evidence for the Bible. There are things we accept by faith, but this is not the forum to talk about that. We are here to talk about what science is able to verify.
 
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Uh, Avatar, I don't think so, you have something confused here.

Nobody says this, and those that claim it must be true or evolution is false are making a strawman argument.

ABE: Oh, that's supposed to be your best argument? Are you chanelling SuperSport? Nevermind.
I'm an adherent of theistic evolution, I do believe evolution occured. But the steady line of increasingly complex organisms just one mutation away from each other is mind-boggling, isn't it? You'd think at some point in the evolutionary line the genetic gap between viable organisms would be too wide to jump, yet that's not the case, why?
 
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You'd think at some point in the evolutionary line the genetic gap between viable organisms would be too wide to jump, yet that's not the case, why?
There is no jump, things do not change into something else. God created them from the beginning to be the way they are, even if there is some adjustment and adaption along the way.

Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
 
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What is your BEST argument against evolution?
Keep in mind that Gravity too is just a theory, but we can sure as heck feel that!

Perhaps it would be helpful if you defined evolution in context to your question?

Are there changes in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next? I think most would agree that yes, they do. So few would have a problem with that in terms of evolution. So an argument against evolution in context with the above may not be presented due to the apparent evidence for it.

I am a creationist by the way....just wanted to clarify that. :)
 
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This does not seem to be true for science that is in a constant state of change.

If science was static it would be simply an archive library

The point is science is what we know to be true at a given point in time, and as we progress through time, what we know to be true changes too

The major thing is, that science is farther than ever (and is moving rapidly away) from proving a literal interpretation of the Bible

There is no evidence noteworthy against evolution, for if such existed, it would cause a riot in the scientific community, a single organ, of irreducible complexity would kill the theory, but no such exists
 
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I'm an adherent of theistic evolution, I do believe evolution occured. But the steady line of increasingly complex organisms just one mutation away from each other is mind-boggling, isn't it? You'd think at some point in the evolutionary line the genetic gap between viable organisms would be too wide to jump, yet that's not the case, why?
Sorry, I thought you were. Now that I see what you really meant, yes it is amazing. As for genetic gaps too wide to jump, there are lots of them, and so far we haven't found any evidence of them being jumped, or have you found a Pegasus.
 
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But the steady line of increasingly complex organisms just one mutation away from each other is mind-boggling, isn't it?

the problem is that it is not a steady line, not in the sense of gradualism. Nor is it in any direction including increasingly complex, evidence is extraordinary number of parasites*. And it is not one mutation away, especially not in the sense of point mutations as the term was used earlier in this thread.

but it certainly is mind boggling.

ou'd think at some point in the evolutionary line the genetic gap between viable organisms would be too wide to jump, yet that's not the case, why?
how do you know there didn't exist a huge genetic gap between humans and chimps and God poofed the proper mutations into adam? this is the fundamental stance of PC vs TE.

notes:
* contrary to popular opinion the TofE is not a history of how everything got together to produce me.
it is just a random walk in genome space.
 
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What is your BEST argument against evolution?
God did it. I believe in the Hebrew and Christian Bibles. Therefore, God says it, I believe it...

Since this is true, if any scientific discoveries contradict what I believe then they cannot be accurate.

The preceeding announcement does not reflect the views of Phred
 
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What is your BEST argument against evolution?
Keep in mind that Gravity too is just a theory, but we can sure as heck feel that!

Evolution required eons of time to operate --- yet the earth has only been in existence for 6100 years.
 
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Evolution required eons of time to operate --- yet the earth has only been in existence for 6100 years.
Yeah? And all of that recorded time, eh? Soooo. all those craters up there on the moon caused by massive asteroid impacts, they must have been quite incredible to see. They'd turn earth' night sky to day. And if they all happened in the last 6100 years, why didn't anyone write about them?
 
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Evolution required eons of time to operate --- yet the earth has only been in existence for 6100 years.

That would be an excellent argument, IF the premise of the argument were true. Since the Earth is in fact considerably older than 6000 years, its a false assertion instead.
 
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What is your BEST argument against evolution?
Keep in mind that Gravity too is just a theory, but we can sure as heck feel that!

Absolutely, but we sure as heck cant feel evolution, we can only assume it and search for empirical confirmation.
It is a poorly defined scientific hypothesis purporting to explain change and decieves the popular mind by its grandiose conceptions, evolution as defined cannot be proved by the small variations observable by science, in essence it is a metaphysical scheme that strives to extrapolate small changes or natural variations into an all encompassing principle of life, if this is true , let it come naturally from the data without forcing an interpretation on facts
 
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