Mt. Soledad Cross will Stay!!! GOD DEFEATS ATHEISTS!!!!

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For those following the Mount Soledad cross case in California, the liberals just lost a big one. The cross in San Diego will stay right where it is. After a long struggle of liberal attacks and ballot initatives, the majority finally won.


Here is a link to the opinion:

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/ca9/newopinions.nsf/884B5DA8987512478825726100093F24/$file/0655769.pdf?openelement

A DIOS SEA LA GLORIA!!!!!
A DIOS SEA LA GLORIA!!!!!
A DIOS SEA LA GLORIA!!!!!
A DIOS SEA LA GLORIA!!!!!
A DIOS SEA LA GLORIA!!!!!

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WooHoo! I had not heard that we won, but I was aware that the ACLJ was fighting to keep the cross. You have no idea how close we came to losing! It was only a petition from all over the country and a governor's stay that kept the cross up until the case could be reviewed again. This is AWESOME!

Lisa
 
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Its hard to understand how a cross can offend someone.

Well if your standing next to it and it falls over. I think that is more injured than offended though.... but let's face it both hurt.
 
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WooHoo! I had not heard that we won, but I was aware that the ACLJ was fighting to keep the cross. You have no idea how close we came to losing! It was only a petition from all over the country and a governor's stay that kept the cross up until the case could be reviewed again. This is AWESOME!

Lisa

I hate to break this to you, but petitions don't determine court cases, the law does.
 
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i can't wait til i can install a huge statue of LRH and a dianetics triangle on government owned property. everyone who wants this cross to stay should be 100000% behind me.
 
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I am all for that. People need to be reminded of scary cults.

a) i'm not in a cult
b) i'm not scary
c) i'm a scientologist
d) i'm an american
e) i oppose all government-endorsed religion
f) thankfully i also belong to a religion which strongly respects and desires a church/state separation.
 
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The more you dig around this case, the more obvious that it was a bad call. Look at the Wikipedia entry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Soledad
Mt. Soledad Easter Cross or War Memorial?
Whether the Mt. Soledad Easter Cross is a "War Memorial" or the unmistakable symbol of the Christian Religion, it was a subject of legal debate for the following reasons:

Every annual publication of the Thomas Brothers Maps from 1954 to 1989 presented a geographic legal description of the location as the "Mt. Soledad Easter Cross" after which year (cross case was filed on May 31, 1989) the name of the legal location on the map was changed to the "Mt. Soledad Memorial." -- [Paulson v. City of San Diego, 262 F.3d 885 (9th Cir. 2001), Documents on file with the US District Court of Southern California]
There was no placard or marker to be found anywhere on Mt. Soledad Natural Park nor at the site of the Mt. Soledad Easter Cross to indicate that it was a veterans' memorial until after November 11, 1989, (See picture below of the Plaque at the base of the cross).
Every Easter holiday sunrise since 1954 was an occasion at the Mt. Soledad Easter Cross for local Christian worship services. On Easter Sunday, April 7, 1996, University of California-San Diego Political Science Professor (Emeritus) Peter Irons applied for and was granted a permit and conducted a well-attended secular sunrise rally for people of all religions and for those with no religion. There is no record of a Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or any other major religious sect or denomination having a religious service on Mt. Soledad.
The Mt. Soledad Easter Cross was dedicated to "Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" in a dedication bulletin by the grandmother of William J. Kellogg, President of the Mt. Soledad Memorial Association on Easter Sunday, 1954.-- [Paulson v. City of San Diego, 262 F.3d 885 (9th Cir. 2001), Documents on file with the US District Court of Southern California]
The Mt. Soledad Memorial Association made improvements to the property within Mt. Soledad Natural Park. All improvements were added after the original case was filed and while litigation proceedings were taking place. "Six concentric walls hold 3,200 black granite plaques purchased by donors and engraved with the names and photos of war veterans -- currently more than 1,700 are in place."[27]
The Mt. Soledad Memorial Association claims that the site for the Veterans' Memorial on Mt. Soledad Natural Park was dedicated on Easter holiday to commemorate and memorialize those who died during the Korean War era. However, groups who oppose them claim that the cross shows preference for only Christian veterans, and discrimination against non-Christian veterans. The Mt. Soledad Easter Cross is not a sacred symbol for non-Christian veterans, and it has been argued that the presence of the Mt. Soledad Easter Cross demeans non-Christians with second-class citizenship status in their own country.
As it currently stands, Plaintiff Philip Paulson (Paulson v. City of San Diego) claimed, and the courts have consistently agreed, that the Mt. Soledad Easter Cross fosters an excessive entanglement by government with religion. In 1916 by Ordinance No. 6670, the Mt. Soledad Natural Park became dedicated city owned parkland. The Mt. Soledad Natural Park was dedicated and intended to be enjoyed by all citizens as a public park. The argument of Paulson and others is that if the City decides to honor veterans with a memorial, then an inclusive veterans memorial ought to display a secular design that is strictly "religiously neutral" to honor veterans of all faiths, and also those with no religious faith. -- [The "Lemon Test" pursuant to US Supreme Court ruling in Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U.S. 602 (1971) [1] required government to remain “religiously neutral” with respect to religion. To be constitutional, a statute must have "a secular legislative purpose," it must have principal effects which neither advance nor inhibit religion, and it must not foster "an excessive government entanglement with religion."]

And this from the ACLU website:
http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/26521prs20060824.html
Especially this section:
Dr. Richard Smith, a named plaintiff in the case, is a San Diego physician who has lived near Mt. Soledad for nearly 40 years. Having served as a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy from 1969 – 1971, he said he welcomes the idea of a war memorial, but added: “I feel that the government’s use of a single religious symbol devalues the service and sacrifices of Americans of all religious backgrounds.”

Dr. Smith is joined in the case by his wife, Mina Sagheb. Smith is Jewish and Sagheb is Muslim. Both object to the presence of the cross on public ground because they believe it undermines the contributions and sacrifices of non-Christians, especially soldiers. Also represented in the case is Judith M. Copeland, another San Diego resident concerned that the cross alienates Americans of diverse faiths.

So apparently not just atheists were defeated, but Jews and Muslims too.

What a load of rubbish the accomodationists toss out to their sheeplike followers. It's o.k. to lie, as long as it's for the Lord I guess.
 
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I think that it is funny that the OP seems to think that it is an atheist attack on his religion. Most atheists I know are reasonable people. Crosses and so forth are a reflection of the culture of the people at the time whether past or present and should be respected and cherished. Its not like we want to destroy the Nasca lines, similiarly why would we want to take down a cross?
 
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you know what's sad? your condescenscion and hateful attitude towards my religion. you can choose to think whatever you like. but to post it publicly is hateful and speaks volumes.
 
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untrue. absolutely not true. go into any org and you'll meet some of the nicest, most caring people in the world.

and quit getting off topic. i'm done with this topic.

edit: by the way, your misuse of scientology terms says a lot about how much you really know.
 
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