AIDS Vaccine?

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Why waste resources on a communicable disease which is 100% preventable unless one is born with it or one intentionally goes into harm's way?
Because a very large number of people are dying from it.

You might be able to say "Well, if they'd just done what I said they would never have caught it," and not care...most of us can't (and don't want to) do that.
 
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Why waste resources on a communicable disease which is 100% preventable unless one is born with it or one intentionally goes into harm's way?

Maybe because its killing whole populations of people, and because babies ARE born with it. Because innocent children, women and men are raped and medical workers get stuck with needles all the time. Because millions of kids are growing up with no parents and people are suffering.

Now you give me a reason why we shouldnt try to cure this horrible disease?
 
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The FDA approved vioxx for kids right before it was pulled from the shelves for killing people. Quoting them as proof of safety won't cut it. Merck used aluminum in the placebo and based results of side effects on that, no one should get away with that sloppy science but the FDA allowed it. They also used a cohort that was way too small to be considered a viable size by the FDA, but it got approved anyway.
Yet you made the unsupported claims that the vaccine is unsafe, has not gone through sufficient clinical testing and that it was approved based on political reasons rather than any concern about the public health.

If you would care to support these assertions, I would be happy to read them and the studies such claims sight as evidence. Until then the evidne3ce produced by the FDA and the drug manufacturing companies stands.



I guess I'll have a side of crow after reading those quotes, but I still think the biggest problem is making an unproven and unsafe vaccine mandatory, not making it available. I would love to see an Aids vaccine, proven safe and offered to anybody who wants it. I don't want to see one fast tracked through on shoddy science and forced on first graders "for the good of society."
Again can you provide evidence to back up your claims that the vaccine in question is unsafe
 
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Why waste resources on a communicable disease which is 100% preventable unless one is born with it or one intentionally goes into harm's way?
Because the key word is communicable. Unless everyone starts living in a plastic bubble today AIDS will continue to spread.
 
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Why waste resources on a communicable disease which is 100% preventable unless one is born with it or one intentionally goes into harm's way?
One of my friend's sisters died from AIDS. She contracted HIV by being raped by an infected man. What should we tell her?

A woman who picks up her daughter from where I work contracted HIV after being stuck accidentally by a needle that had HIV infected blood on it. What should we tell her?
 
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Yet you made the unsupported claims that the vaccine is unsafe, has not gone through sufficient clinical testing and that it was approved based on political reasons rather than any concern about the public health.

If you would care to support these assertions, I would be happy to read them and the studies such claims sight as evidence. Until then the evidne3ce produced by the FDA and the drug manufacturing companies stands.




Again can you provide evidence to back up your claims that the vaccine in question is unsafe

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B1.pdf

A 7 month trial with 1 follow up and a placebo that contains aluminum and they try to claim that is safe and effective? That may be good enough for the countries that allowed thalidimide, but it's not going to cut it if you try to make it mandatory. Or, at least, it shouldn't.
 
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I was watching a news segment the other morning discussing AIDS awareness day. It makes me wonder if there would be an even bigger outcry over an AIDS vaccine.

Any thoughts?

i live in a country riddled with aids, aids orphans and poverty caused by the virus. this year alone i have been to tonnes of funerals of people dying of AIDS-related illenesses.
AIDS is something close to my heart since everywhere i go for interact, i get to do with people suffering because of it.

these are some of my thoughts/responses...

An HIV vaccine will never be successful because the virus mutates too fast.

i'm interested in how such a vaccine would work because
1. isn't a virus extremely hard to treat
2. it's in your blood... how do you treat a blood virus that gets pumped through your whole body?

but also, i would say it oculd work if the patient is on a healthy diet and looks after his/her immune system (after all, that is what the virus attacks)

This comes from the same stable of people who oppose making condoms available in schools, as they equate arming the youth with information and protection with giving them a license to fornicate.

yes, SA-schools have been debating such things for a while now and it does make sense, because i know the only reason some of my friends are still virgins is because they can't acquire any contraceptives and are too scared of falling pregnant or getting an STD

i pray often that God give the scientists the right mind to create the vaccine/cure and quickly.

That would be a glorious, glorious day.

yes indeed!

I dont think there will ever be an AIDS vaccine because there is just WAY too much money tied up in AIDS research, charities, medical care etc etc.

Cure AIDS and you're sealing up a GOLD MINE and people know it.

ditto. any of you ever heard of colonial silver? it is said to be able to even cure AIDS, but it will never be made to full use since pharmaceutical companies will see to it that anyone promoting it is taken care of. imagine the loss to other companies with the introduction of a medicine that can cure pratically anything?

my opinion?
1. on the one hand, an aids vaccine would seem to give people the licence to act sexually irresponsible etc etc
2. but on the other hand, aids is costing countries money that they simply do not have!
3. grants, ARV's etc are taking away valuable money from other areas that need it as much
4. millions of people are dying of the virus
5. no, i would not say aids is a punsihment... is a consequence of certain actions (not all in our hands, e.g. rape) and not something that makes God happy in the least.
6. imo, an aids vaccine, with the proper testing and legislation (e.g. only one vaccine per person ever) could work wonders
 
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You're editorializing. People opposed the HPV vaccine because it isn't safe, hasn't gone through nearly enough clinical trials, was approved for political reason rather than public health reasons, and is assumed to become mandatory like the other, what are they up to now - 27? vaccine shots that kids are forced to get.

Why do you automatically assume a reason for protesting must be religious disagreement? Please don't be so prejudiced.

An HIV vaccine will never be successful because the virus mutates too fast. If it is, then take the time for proper clinical trials to prove that it's safe and effective. Then assure us through law that it will never become mandatory. If that happens, you won't hear much religious opposition.

You're also editorializing, SOME people opposed it for the reasons you mentioned, quite a few people, including people on these forums suggested there simply is no need for such a vaccine and they thought having their children get it would send the message that premarital sex is okay. It was well reported that a conservative group had opposed the vaccine for moral reasons as opposed to medical reasons.

I'm sure some of those people will feel the same about an AIDS vaccine. They are free to live in their bubble. If I can help my child avoid paying with their life for making a mistake in judgement I will gladly obtain the vaccine for them if it becomes available.
 
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HPV vaccine is now on the Australian vaccination list... all school girls will get it if they want it before the finish High School.

Yay! No more cervical cancer!

Well.. no it won't completely eliminate it there will be a reduction in cervical cancer. It's won't protect against all forms but it makes a big dent. I don't know why nobody wants to get the boys vaccinated, the trials indicated a higher success rate in preventing HPV in the boys than in the girls. I guess since women are the ones to get cervical cancer they know they'll get a higher participation rate for young women.
 
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Well.. no it won't completely eliminate it there will be a reduction in cervical cancer. It's won't protect against all forms but it makes a big dent. I don't know why nobody wants to get the boys vaccinated, the trials indicated a higher success rate in preventing HPV in the boys than in the girls. I guess since women are the ones to get cervical cancer they know they'll get a higher participation rate for young women.

The trial results indicate a 70 percent reduction in cervical cancer. So, we still need pap smears, but are way less likely to die horribly
 
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whoa, hang on just a moment! are you guys saying cervical cancer can be caused by irresponsible sexual behaviour? i never knew that, i don't get that since it's supposed to be genetic?my one friend has a huge chance of getting it cos of genetics and she's probable themost conservative person you've ever met.then again, i guess you get different forms????
 
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whoa, hang on just a moment! are you guys saying cervical cancer can be caused by irresponsible sexual behaviour? i never knew that, i don't get that since it's supposed to be genetic?my one friend has a huge chance of getting it cos of genetics and she's probable themost conservative person you've ever met.then again, i guess you get different forms????

It can be genetic, it can also be caused by various forms of the STI known as HPV (welcome to the acronym jungle). Being "irresponsible" has little to do with it since it can be spread by genital skin contact, not just intercourse, and 80% of people will have it in their lifetimes. It's nothing to be terrified about, but it is something to be aware of.
 
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Since when did we, as a civilized society, start opposing medical treatment that could save lives based upon whether or not the person who is sick got that way because of irresponsible choices? That would be like telling someone you're putting yourself in harm's way by working in a doctor's office, so you shouldn't be allowed to get a flu shot or that someone cannot receive chemotherapy for lung cancer because they were a smoker. Is the only reason the HIV vaccine would be opposed is because it is usually tied to having sexual relations with an infected person? Nobody seems to care if a Diabetic is receiving dialysis because they had horrible eating habits all their life.
 
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