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The Gentile foreigners living in Israel weren't expected to keep the dietary laws. Why, then, would this have changed after Christ? There's plenty of reason for it to have changed universally, but it takes some critique to understand it.Look friends. you can not say that Homosexuals are doing anything wrong, if you are also condoning eating food that God calls unclean and an abomination. The laws against sexual deviation and homosexuality are given together with Gods dietary laws. He says to eat that which is unclean is an abomiation.
And you've done so extremely well. When Isaiah says "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little, there a little...." does this mean the teachers are adding to the Law, or that they're utilizing it as a standard that it wasn't meant to be utilized as?My dear Christian brothers and sisters, God's law is for our good. This thread was started to illustrate the inconsistency of condemning Homosexuals and defending eating unclean food. This I did not to defend Homosexuals but to show a doctrine, a practice, that is not biblical in regards to how the word of God and his instructions are used.
Isaiah 28
15 Because you have said, We have made a covenant with death,
And with Sheol we are in agreement.
When the overflowing scourge passes through,
It will not come to us,
For we have made lies our refuge,
And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves.
So you take the vision in Acts to be purely symbolic? Why would God use a concept revolving around the dietary Laws to speak of people the way which is implied through it? This is very strange. The form the vision takes is similar to the parables Christ gave - it can and must be taken as specific to what was given, and the meaning extracted from what is obviously presented - but the obvious nature of the vision isn't an abstraction meant to be discarded.If it is OK to eat Pork, then it is also OK to mary your own sister. They appear in the same laws of God in the same book. Wake up people someone has been selling you a line of bad investments from the Pulpits. We can be fooled once in a whuile, but since we own bibles and are now able to read and pray for ourselves, there really isn't any excuse to continue being fooled.
Acts 10
9 The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10 Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they made ready, he fell into a trance 11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. 12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, Rise, Peter; kill and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.
15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, What God has cleansed you must not call common. 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.
My uncle was a butcher and I apprenticed under him as a teenager. I didn't complete my apprenticeship, but I worked under him long enough to learn two things:
1. pigs are herbavores, not carnivores
2. not all cuts of pork are greasy
In addition, living on the Chesapeake, where our region is fueled by the fishing industry, particularly shellfish, has given me some insight into crabs and different mollusks, too.
Did you know that crabmeat and oysters are both very clean foods? It's true. They have a highly complex filtering system, just as God gave to all animals.
Crabs eat mostly fish. That's right, the same fish that your article assures us are clean.
Oysters eat microscopic organisms not "muck", as the article claims.
The article doesn't list a source for this information because there isn't one. It isn't true.
The truth is that assuming they're all prepared properly, you're more likely to get sick from striper or flounder than you are from pork or shellfish.
For the record, we're having a fish fry Saturday night and we're planning to have several bushels of crabs there.
I have not one problem, either morally or health-wise, in eating them.
If somebody else does, that's fine. But, for me, I'm going to have to go with Romans 14:14.
I think what God is addressing is that pigs eat slop and that can cause this trichinosis. I know I get sick from it and this is no lie.
Once my sister got really sick on chicken soup and now she has no desire for chicken soup. That can just happen. One looses a taste for something after they've gotten sick from it.
So unless you don't clip off the edges of your beard (you do have a beard, don't you?) then you're just as guilty as a 'homosexual'.
It's ridiculous, Christians will ignore the book of Leviticus' laws when it applies to them (beards, clothing, food, etc.) but when it comes to Homosexuals (who they obviously hate, despite Levitius 19:15,17, & 18) they quote Leviticus like it's undeniable.
Pigs only eat slop if they're fed slop.
Pig farmers don't give their pigs slop. They give them corn.
In the wild they don't eat slop. They eat acorns and root vegetables.
But that's quite a bit different than saying that it's bad.
I just read farm raised pigs eat meat as well as grains?
Anyhow, this says pigs are omnivours: That is like dogs who will eat anything. Ick.
Eat like a pig
Pigs, hogs, and boars are all omnivores. Their varied diet can include small reptiles, mammals, and carrion along with grasses, water plants, and fruit. They use that tough snout to root in the soil for food items such as leaves, roots, bulbs, insects, and earthworms. Because of this behavior, wild swine have become infamous for rooting through and destroying large portions of farmer's crops. At the San Diego Zoo and the Wild Animal Park our pigs are offered omnivore pellets and vegetables.
And, as I've explained to you before, God has declared that there are no longer "unclean foods".
On the contrary, the NT goes on to repeat that homosexuality is a sin.
And the laws against sexual deviation are repeated in the NT, after the laws against unlcean foods were abolished.
But it isn't inconsistent. They're two different things.
Actually, 1 Cor 5 says otherwise.
Heehehe. Ever visit a hog farm? Or the stock yards?All pork we buy in the store nowadays has been factory raised and diet controlled.
Christian doctrine is from scripture. Are you saying if one is a sin the other is too? I think sex outside marriage is sin.That IS Christian doctrine. But it is not scriptural.
Where does it say Dietary laws are abolished but sexual sin is not?
Heehehe. Ever visit a hog farm? Or the stock yards?
Christian doctrine is from scripture
You know, I'd never known that. Is everybody getting lucky or just cooking it long enough? I recall my youthful fun of eating raw hamburger.
The Gentile foreigners living in Israel weren't expected to keep the dietary laws. Why, then, would this have changed after Christ? There's plenty of reason for it to have changed universally, but it takes some critique to understand it.
But moreover, the new covenant gave a total inversion of the means by which people are considered 'clean' and 'unclean', 'righteous' and 'unrighteous'. To live righteously, one is called righteous - that does not mean to follow ritual dietary laws or purity regulations, as laws and civil ordinances are not the means by which one becomes righteous.
So you take the vision in Acts to be purely symbolic? Why would God use a concept revolving around the dietary Laws to speak of people the way which is implied through it? This is very strange. The form the vision takes is similar to the parables Christ gave - it can and must be taken as specific to what was given, and the meaning extracted from what is obviously presented - but the obvious nature of the vision isn't an abstraction meant to be discarded.
The very argument you're presenting would demand such an interpretation - non-doctrinal, non-theological, simply the obvious meaning and the implications it yields to us.
Not all Christian doctrine is from scripture. I think you have seen plenty discussed in these forum that are not scriptural.Christian doctrine is from scripture. Are you saying if one is a sin the other is too? I think sex outside marriage is sin.
Let's say that this is true. Which of these is a bad thing for pigs to eat?