Why is Fundamental Christians so down on Homosexuality?

[intricatic]

I didn't say it was different I am saying that their original love for the same sex never dissipates they might feel relieved of the sexual desire but the love for the same sex that wanting to be with the same sex as a companion it really does not change so they have a couple of choices live celibate just for God but not many choose this.....

I don't claim to know the hearts of these people. This is just as much a presupposition as claiming that they know they're sinning, and they just want to rebel against God.

 

[lilymarie]

You are making the assumption I am gay...did I say that at any time?.....re read my posts.
I am celibate though and I love the freedom of that.
I was making a point about homosexuals my friends have given up the sex and desire did dissipate but they do not stop loving and that was my point.

LOL I better re read my posts .....

Oh yes, your posts did sound as though you were speaking of yourself.

However, still, saying a homosexual can never overcome... well then thieves can't overcome and will still have the desire, drunkards can never overcome and will still have the desire, serial murderers will never overcome and will still have the desire...

We were all sinners... sin can be overcome.

If we say it can't, then can a prostitute give up the money? Or can a greedy person change? Or will they always be greedy?

Will a theif always have the desire to steal?

...etc, etc..................

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

See that is what I mean everyone makes assumptions in this thread and I am not mad at you or attacking you or yelling.... sounds like..... but did I say that I was anywhere in my posts...I don't assume what I state here..... I know.... I spoke to... have been friends with... have had people share with me how they feel.
Well then I guess every one will think I am gay .....whatever...I have been called worse and I love gay people..... I love everyone even Mike.......I am an actor I work with many gays and have many friends who are one in paticular who is saved.
No sexual desire..... celibate.... but loves the same sex....not sexually and cannot be with anyone chose God only...because they don't want to be in a relationship they feel that they have never been able to find that emotional connection to the opposite sex so they chose to be alone.
They feel empty at times and this struggle has been for years and years but their obedience to God came first so.......is it them that is not giving in they are obedient...... celibate .....but no feelings emotionally for the opposite sex. And so they have friends and work and God who comes first.
But they still long for the companionship and hide their past in a Christian world because of people who say things like the things that were said here in this thread.
They always feel afraid to be found out and my heart breaks for that and people like that.....even in their obedience to God their Christian brothers and sisters still make them feel judged is that what Jesus would do? I don't think so.....for these people who still hurt I say.
How sad.

 

[127Rockledge]

Is celibacy immoral being that we are called to be fruitful and multiply?

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

I believe it was said in the bible that it is better not to marry and to be alone and be first to God but if you could not do that then marry so you do not sin.
I don't know the verse verbatim but that is pretty close.

 

[country]

Is celibacy immoral being that we are called to be fruitful and multiply?

Hm no it's not. Was the Apostle Paul immoral?

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

I believe it was said in the bible that it is better not to marry and to be alone and be first to God but if you could not do that then marry so you do not sin.
I don't know the verse verbatim but that is pretty close.

For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. (I Cor 7:7-9)

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

Thank you friend I said I was close and I was!

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

Hm no it's not. Was the Apostle Paul immoral?

Country to the rescue!

 

[country]

Gabby

 

[artybloke]

Hm no it's not. Was the Apostle Paul immoral?

Didn't he call himself the chief of sinners? So I guess he must have been.

 

[lilymarie]

Gabby,

Whether I thought you were talking about yourself or not is completely irrelevant to the points of my posts. My posts were really written generalized.

So, my questions were what is so terrible about platonic same sex relationships?

And will a thief always have a desire to steal and these feelings will never go away?

Will an adulterer always have the desire to be an adulterer and these FEELINGS will never go away.

And where do these feelings come from? The flesh? Or the Spirit?

And so again, will a sex addict ALWAYS have a desire to be a sex addict and these feelings will never go away?

...etc...etc...?

________________

Another point, this thread seemed like Mike bashing instead of acting in a Christian way and dealing with the real issues here. I saw a lot of immaturity here.

We cannot conform the Bible and God's word to fit the world -- which is what at lot of gay tolerance Christians are preaching.

If we do, where does tolerance stop? So then should we preach tolerance for pediophiles?

Should we preach tolerance for thieves and tell them that's okay, stay that way?

What other tolerances should be preach and tell people "it's okay"?

I'm sorry, but I don't see that as "love"; I see that as enabling someone to stay in their sin.

What good is that? And how will your tolerance which you call love help someone to change (reach metatonia)?

And then in one of your posts you say Christians "bible bash" people... well, what does the word say about that? The word says it CUTS deeper than any two-edged sword.

It is the word of God that is convicting, yet people call it bashing.

How come, when the word itself is conviction?

And, another point... if people are afraid of what the word of God says, should we then hide it under our bed so the world cannot see it? Isn't that like the parable Jesus spoke "who lights a lamp and hides it under their bed?"

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Gabby,

Whether I thought you were talking about yourself or not is completely irrelevant to the points of my posts. My posts were really written generalized.

So, my questions were what is so terrible about platonic same sex relationships?

And will a thief always have a desire to steal and these feelings will never go away?

Will an adulterer always have the desire to be an adulterer and these FEELINGS will never go away.

And where do these feelings come from? The flesh? Or the Spirit?

And so again, will a sex addict ALWAYS have a desire to be a sex addict and these feelings will never go away?

...etc...etc...?

________________

Another point, this thread seemed like Mike bashing instead of acting in a Christian way and dealing with the real issues here. I saw a lot of immaturity here.

We cannot conform the Bible and God's word to fit the world -- which is what at lot of gay tolerance Christians are preaching.

If we do, where does tolerance stop? So then should we preach tolerance for pediophiles?

Should we preach tolerance for thieves and tell them that's okay, stay that way?

What other tolerances should be preach and tell people "it's okay"?

I'm sorry, but I don't see that as "love"; I see that as enabling someone to stay in their sin.

What good is that? And how will your tolerance which you call love help someone to change (reach metatonia)?

And then in one of your posts you say Christians "bible bash" people... well, what does the word say about that? The word says it CUTS deeper than any two-edged sword.

It is the word of God that is convicting, yet people call it bashing.

How come, when the word itself is conviction?

MIKE bashing??? Yeah..unfortunately you seemed to of missed where he was being EXTREMELY hurtful, and when pointed out to him...denied everything.

YOU missed the point of what Gabby was saying. She wasn't advocating 'christian tolerance'...she was saying when sharing the gospel with the unsaved...BE GENTLE! THAT is the crux of it.

ONLY the Holy Spirit can convict. NOT us mere humans.

 

[lilymarie]

MIKE bashing??? Yeah..unfortunately you seemed to of missed where he was being EXTREMELY hurtful, and when pointed out to him...denied everything.

YOU missed the point of what Gabby was saying. She wasn't advocating 'christian tolerance'...she was saying when sharing the gospel with the unsaved...BE GENTLE! THAT is the crux of it.

ONLY the Holy Spirit can convict. NOT us mere humans.

Sorry, my post wasn't for you to answer.

However, yes, I did see a great deal of immaturity in this thread and Mike bashing.

If you need that, take it somewhere else please.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Sorry, my post wasn't for you to answer.

However, yes, I did see a great deal of immaturity in this thread and Mike bashing.

If you need that, take it somewhere else please.

PARDON???? need what to take somewhere else?? PLEASE...whatever you do...don't see the obvious..mike was just as bad...not that that should justify anything. BUT don't be naieve.

AND since it is a PUBLIC forum..I CAN answer your post..thanks. AND YOU aren't being immature?? Yeah, ok...

 

[lilymarie]

And this thread was definately immature.

What I see in this thread is several women throwing nothing but temper tantrums like little children.

If you have a problem with someone's post, you put them on ignore. Not keep throwing temper tantrums like little girls.

 

[lilymarie]

PARDON???? need what to take somewhere else?? PLEASE...whatever you do...don't see the obvious..mike was just as bad...not that that should justify anything. BUT don't be naieve.

AND since it is a PUBLIC forum..I CAN answer your post..thanks. AND YOU aren't being immature?? Yeah, ok...

Well, that isn't considerate. My post had a specific name attached to it.

As far as Mike behaving badly in this thread, show me one of the posts in this thread.

I thought his questions and responses were fine.

So, show me then.

 

[HesMyAll]

Gabby,

Whether I thought you were talking about yourself or not is completely irrelevant to the points of my posts. My posts were really written generalized.

So, my questions were what is so terrible about platonic same sex relationships?

And will a thief always have a desire to steal and these feelings will never go away?

Will an adulterer always have the desire to be an adulterer and these FEELINGS will never go away.

And where do these feelings come from? The flesh? Or the Spirit?

And so again, will a sex addict ALWAYS have a desire to be a sex addict and these feelings will never go away?

...etc...etc...?

________________

Another point, this thread seemed like Mike bashing instead of acting in a Christian way and dealing with the real issues here. I saw a lot of immaturity here.

We cannot conform the Bible and God's word to fit the world -- which is what at lot of gay tolerance Christians are preaching.

If we do, where does tolerance stop? So then should we preach tolerance for pediophiles?

Should we preach tolerance for thieves and tell them that's okay, stay that way?

What other tolerances should be preach and tell people "it's okay"?

I'm sorry, but I don't see that as "love"; I see that as enabling someone to stay in their sin.

What good is that? And how will your tolerance which you call love help someone to change (reach metatonia)?

And then in one of your posts you say Christians "bible bash" people... well, what does the word say about that? The word says it CUTS deeper than any two-edged sword.

It is the word of God that is convicting, yet people call it bashing.

How come, when the word itself is conviction?

And, another point... if people are afraid of what the word of God says, should we then hide it under our bed so the world cannot see it? Isn't that like the parable Jesus spoke "who lights a lamp and hides it under their bed?"

Homosexuals are people who are involved in a relationship with a WILLING partner...there is no way to compare that to pedophilia in which a child is VICTIMIZED!!! That being said, Gabby's point was simply that God hates the sin but loves the sinner and we should follow His example.

 

[Charles YTK]

" Gabby's point was simply that God hates the sin but loves the sinner and we should follow His example."


Intersting Quote. Where is that in the bible?

 

[HesMyAll]

" Gabby's point was simply that God hates the sin but loves the sinner and we should follow His example."


Intersting Quote. Where is that in the bible?

It wasn't a direct quote. As for God hating sin and loving sinners...you can start with reading the gospels.