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Why is Fundamental Christians so down on Homosexuality?
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Abigayle's Legacy
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From what I see here it appears most of you care more about picking the sin apart and being right... than saving the sinner with love....that is very sad.
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Abigayle's Legacy
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Why do I have to refer to your sin...I am there to share God's love and the Good News.....come to Jesus as you are admit everyone is a sinner and let Him into your life so He can make it better and have a personal relationship with you.
What else is there?
What else is there?
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Abigayle's Legacy
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I'm sorry I need to go to work now .......knock yourselves out.....I will never change my opinion ...why...because I have seen God work in lives of gays I know personally deeply and who are now saved Christians and I know what has and has not worked.....so be blessed.
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Abigayle's Legacy
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How sad that you see it that way...my ego....LOL you have know idea who I am or where I come from but if you think I have said anything that is egocentered or egocentric I humbly ask your forgiveness. Nothing I say good is of me and what ever I say wrong is all me.
So as I said I am a lowly sinner saved by grace my whole point!
So as I said I am a lowly sinner saved by grace my whole point!
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And I could say the same about you, but that doesn't stop you from judging me.
I'm not the offended party. It isn't up to me to forgive.
It isn't my word you're discounting and I'm not the one who's going to Hell because you won't share the Biblical Gospel with me.
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Abigayle's Legacy
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And therein lies the problem: it isn't about what "works". It's about being obedient.
I have been obedient more than you will ever know......where in the bible does it say torture sinning souls into coming to me.
Where does it say talk about the sin first and and not about Jesus.
You make my heart ache and make me so terribly sad.
I have been obedient more than you will ever know......where in the bible does it say torture sinning souls into coming to me.
Where does it say talk about the sin first and and not about Jesus.
You make my heart ache and make me so terribly sad.
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Abigayle's Legacy
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I share God's word I share what the scriptures say and I let all those know I witness to that I cannot and will not judge their sins only God does that and the Holy Spirit convicts their heart if that is wrong...well then I am very confused.
And I have not judged you...I am responding to a very harsh tone coming from you to me.
So peace be with you friend.
And I have not judged you...I am responding to a very harsh tone coming from you to me.
So peace be with you friend.
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What you're describing to us here isn't obedient.
Straw man. You know very well that no one is talking about torturing anyone.
There is no need for a savior if one is not a sinner.
This is why Jesus always used the law in evangelism. This is why Paul said that he wouldn't have known his need for a savior if his sinfulness had not first been brought home by the law.
If you're so sure that your way is right, then will you take my challenge to pretend that I am not saved and try to share the Gospel with me?
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...a dinosaur... or something...
I think everyone needs to take a quick break and walk away from the PC for a bit and calm down. 
It is possible to both love the lost sheep while also pointing them in the right dirrection. The problem isn't that people like to point out sin (not always, anyhow, though I'm sure it does happen), but that sin is being justified and made scripturally normative - which is essentially rewriting the Bible.
It is possible to both love the lost sheep while also pointing them in the right dirrection. The problem isn't that people like to point out sin (not always, anyhow, though I'm sure it does happen), but that sin is being justified and made scripturally normative - which is essentially rewriting the Bible.
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Gabby,
Just wanted to let you know that in regards to the approach we take toward anyone who is in a sinful situation or lifestyle, I agree with you. My concern in this thread was only to show that the law of God is still valid in the life of the believers Just as Paul said. And you can not call Homosexuals sinners without looking at what else God calls sin.
My approach to a person who has a problem like this or someting else is to tell the person what the sriptures say, very briefly, for example, " Do you know that God says that we are not supposed to use drugs? I am not going to hammer on you about this." I will invite them then to seek Gods word on it ask them, "If God shows you that you need to top using, will you agree to give that to God and quite using?" If they agree we pray together, allowing God to hear the persons commitment to accept Gods word and to accept that he will change with God's help, allowing them to say the words to God. And then we are done. I don't preach AT them, or give them the big lecture. I will answer queston only if they raise them. The thing is If they were sincere, God WILL show them through any number of channels, not just the Bible, and he will move on their hearts and bring about change, that only HE can bring.
This is the way I have seen God work. We willing submitt to God before a witness, and then allow the spirit to work it all out.
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MercyBurst
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Well if they understand it is sin, there is no problem -- we can all agree on God's moral laws and try to obey them.
But if they call it holy sinless perfection -- big problem.
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Mercy Burst,
I wrote you two rather long replys posts 103 and 105. I didn't hear anything back and wondered if you read them?
I am not sure who is calling what sinless perfection above.
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Abigayle's Legacy
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Charles it was assumed that I don't tell someone what I have been convicted of as being sin...example if I am to take Mikes challenge.
If a sister or brother said to me I'm homosexual so I can't be Christian I would say to them Jesus says come as you are they say to me well Christians say being gay is a sin I say well the Bible does say that being gay is a sin...but it also says anger is a sin...hate is a sin....lying is a sin God's interest is purifying you to make the best you so you are able to serve Him unselfishly putting Him first and following His commandments...I don't concentrate on yes homosexual stop sinning or be damned. I have heard people say that......So stop gossiping or be damned stop hating or be damned.
I preach Gods love and goodness. I preach what people gain when they come to Christ not what they lose....If someone is gay and accepts Christ and sleeps with the same sex are they going to Hell...if they feel repentant...is that different than accepting Christ and hitting your wife or smoking a joint or hating the guy next door sin is sin. I have know idea what that person is going through and how long God needs to mold and shape them so I won't keep telling them stop sinning if they know they are they have to work it out in their time not mine. My point is I teach Gods love I don't point fingers I teach the truth as the Bible tells it but I won't condemn anyone who accepts Christ if they are sinning because we ALL sin. And when conviction comes from the Holy Spirit you know you are sinning.
I understand your point about the commandments and Jesus saying we are free from the law...I believe Jesus meant the written law of the Rabbis....don't eat pork or this or that.....He was concentrating on what we do to each other not what we put into our selves or how we wash but how we serve each other and treat each other and act as living testimnoys to Him.
If I am going to witness to a Jewish person and I am Jewish which I happen to be then when I am in that persons house if it bothers them that I eat pork I will not eat pork with them ...do I lose my salvation becasue I eat pork or don't no there are Messianic Jews that uphold tradition will they go to Hell one way or another no they are saved by grace so I understand everything you tried to point out but sometimes it feels in this area and some of the others people argue like in days of old and why just to debate and queston...isn't better to agree and uplift and Praise God and pray together and share encouragement and love.
This is what saddens me...I'm sorry I just don't think I want to paticipate in this thread any more so please if someone talks to me again and I don't answer it isn't rudeness it's a deep sadness in me for I so love Jesus and I came to a Christian site to share and fellow and find that love He gave so freely and I am not finding it at this moment maybe it's my lacking but I need to leave something when it begins to hurt so if I offended or hurt or made anyone feel I was better then them accept my apologies I ask for forgiveness and Mike if my words seem as if I am sinning or not preaching correctly then let us both pray that God shows me His way to preach because we all know that His way is the only right way.
God Bless
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If a sister or brother said to me I'm homosexual so I can't be Christian I would say to them Jesus says come as you are they say to me well Christians say being gay is a sin I say well the Bible does say that being gay is a sin...but it also says anger is a sin...hate is a sin....lying is a sin God's interest is purifying you to make the best you so you are able to serve Him unselfishly putting Him first and following His commandments...I don't concentrate on yes homosexual stop sinning or be damned. I have heard people say that......So stop gossiping or be damned stop hating or be damned.
I preach Gods love and goodness. I preach what people gain when they come to Christ not what they lose....If someone is gay and accepts Christ and sleeps with the same sex are they going to Hell...if they feel repentant...is that different than accepting Christ and hitting your wife or smoking a joint or hating the guy next door sin is sin. I have know idea what that person is going through and how long God needs to mold and shape them so I won't keep telling them stop sinning if they know they are they have to work it out in their time not mine. My point is I teach Gods love I don't point fingers I teach the truth as the Bible tells it but I won't condemn anyone who accepts Christ if they are sinning because we ALL sin. And when conviction comes from the Holy Spirit you know you are sinning.
I understand your point about the commandments and Jesus saying we are free from the law...I believe Jesus meant the written law of the Rabbis....don't eat pork or this or that.....He was concentrating on what we do to each other not what we put into our selves or how we wash but how we serve each other and treat each other and act as living testimnoys to Him.
If I am going to witness to a Jewish person and I am Jewish which I happen to be then when I am in that persons house if it bothers them that I eat pork I will not eat pork with them ...do I lose my salvation becasue I eat pork or don't no there are Messianic Jews that uphold tradition will they go to Hell one way or another no they are saved by grace so I understand everything you tried to point out but sometimes it feels in this area and some of the others people argue like in days of old and why just to debate and queston...isn't better to agree and uplift and Praise God and pray together and share encouragement and love.
This is what saddens me...I'm sorry I just don't think I want to paticipate in this thread any more so please if someone talks to me again and I don't answer it isn't rudeness it's a deep sadness in me for I so love Jesus and I came to a Christian site to share and fellow and find that love He gave so freely and I am not finding it at this moment maybe it's my lacking but I need to leave something when it begins to hurt so if I offended or hurt or made anyone feel I was better then them accept my apologies I ask for forgiveness and Mike if my words seem as if I am sinning or not preaching correctly then let us both pray that God shows me His way to preach because we all know that His way is the only right way.
God Bless
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Gabby,
I understand where you are coming from. Your approach is not that much different from mine. And I do agree that we are all sinners at some level. God's law defines sin. Love tells us how to administer the truth to one another, not with stonings but with healing balms and gentlness.
No need to respond.
I understand where you are coming from. Your approach is not that much different from mine. And I do agree that we are all sinners at some level. God's law defines sin. Love tells us how to administer the truth to one another, not with stonings but with healing balms and gentlness.
No need to respond.
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Easy! We humans are all born with sin. If you are old enough to understand things, you have sinned. It doesn't have to be a specific one.
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