Why is Fundamental Christians so down on Homosexuality?

[127Rockledge]

I also realize that "ask and ye shall recieve" IS a part of the bible.

I also have asked God for $1 billion, I have yet to see that money.

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

I also realize that "ask and ye shall recieve" IS a part of the bible.

I also have asked God for $1 billion, I have yet to see that money.

Obviously it is not in His perfect plan for you at this point in time

 

[icedtea]

And same for being gay too?

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

I also realize that "ask and ye shall recieve" IS a part of the bible.

I also have asked God for $1 billion, I have yet to see that money.

And same for being gay too?

Money is something that people worship in their own way....God wouldn't think that a neccesity look at Jesus's example.
God wants us to follow His commands when someone asks Him to heal them of being gay He won't say no....but keep in mind there is work on the askers part because they must die to their desire. He will be faithful in giving you strength you must be faithful in giving up.

 

[intricatic]

I also realize that "ask and ye shall recieve" IS a part of the bible.

I also have asked God for $1 billion, I have yet to see that money.

James 4
1 Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members? 2 You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask. 3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:
“ God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”
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[RonnyRulz]

From a scientific standpoint, most scientists believe SOME are born gay, SOME aren't gay and are unhealthily unfluenced to choose to be gay, and SOME choose.

In my opinion, although I'm ignorant on the science that says people are born gay, for the most part I think it's backed up by research. I am not ignorant though on unhealthy individuals, society's influence, and their personal choices to be things they are not. In my opinion, some people are born gay and are gay, some are born straight and because of unhealthy environmental factors are gay, some are born straight and choose to be gay for unhealthy reasons, some are born gay and choose to be straight for unhealthy reasons, some are born gay and because of unhealthy environmental factors are straight.

To say that all gay people are born gay is a lie. Some are confused of their sexuality. Some are straight and because they are unhealthy are gay. Some are gay and because they are unhealthy are straight. Some are gay but they choose to be straight because of social influences being so strong. That's unhealthy too to force yourself against what you want based on social influences.

I honestly don't know if homosexuality is a sin or not. God has never told me the answer, I will not read the Bible with my wisdom or Man's Wisdom, only with God's Wisdom. But God doesn't want to give me that wisdom, at least not yet, because He's never given me an answer. I also don't care, because it doesn't matter. Other's sin is none of my business. My job is to love someone, regardless if they are gay or not. If they are gay and it's not a sin, I won't be doing any harm by loving them. If they are gay and it is a sin, then it's still none of my business. Other's sin isn't my business unless God makes it my business.

Man doesn't convict people of sins. Only God convicts. If God never convicts someone of being homosexual, then that's okay, because it's none of my business. Even if it's a sin or not, God may be too busy convicting them about a billion other sins they have and never get around to homosexuality. Or maybe it's not a sin and that's why they don't get convicted. I don't care, because it's none of human's business. Other's sin is between that person and God ONLY.

The only time you should ever ask "Is homosexuality a sin?" is to yourself, and if you feel you are a homosexual. Otherwise, since it doesn't deal with YOU, it's none of your business to tell people what is or isn't sin, unless God specifically makes it your business. And honestly I don't believe God is going to tell every single Christian to speak out against homosexuality. Maybe one or two in private with a close friend, but never in mass infront of everyone so all can be shamed and embarassed.

 

[Charles YTK]

RonnieRulz,

Perhaps for you Homosexuality is a little less obvious of a problem because most of the day sexual orientation may be hidden during interactions with other people. Personally I think that the very nature of Homosexuality is obviously wrong. If you placed all homosexual men on an Island alone, in hudred years they are all gone. Because they can not reproduce, which is the natural God given order of heterosexual relationship. In the beginning God created them Male and female. And he told them to bear children and fill the earth.

What if it was something more obvious? What if they were cannabils, and were bringing human flesh to eat? Would you be willing to turn your head and say none of my business. (Except for the source of this meat which we won't get into.) Is there anything that would revile you to a point that you would not want this person in your church, or sitting next to you in your office, or playing on the ball team?

Universal acceptance is touted by modern man as the advanced and mature way of thinking. But it is not God's way. He gave us laws as standards to allow us to have a society that was Godly in character and so that we could all live to be the best human beings he created us to be. What is wrong with accepting what God says is right and wrong? Why would you not want to understand life from God's point of view? Are you saying that you never read a bible and never concider Gods instructions for you? Why would you persoanlly even take part in these kind of discussions if it doesn't matter and is none of our business what becomes of the world we live in?

 

[MikeMcK]

Why is a persons personal sexual orientation a problem to most Christians.

Because God hates sin and we're called to love what He loves and hate what He hates.

All that is required is that you love God and Love your neighbor

Required by whom?

so if two Homosexuals are in your Church and they love God and love their neighbors and are going to Church, what is the problem?

The problem is that they're living in sin.

If this happened in our church, they would be given an opportunity to repent. If they did not, then two witnesses would go to them and confront them with their sin and plead with them to repent.

If they still would not repent, then the issue would be brought before the church and they most likely would be removed from the church.

 

[127Rockledge]

Obviously it is not in His perfect plan for you at this point in time

I understand that. It was more or less my point.

 

[Charles YTK]

Because God hates sin and we're called to love what He loves and hate what He hates.



Required by whom?



The problem is that they're living in sin.

If this happened in our church, they would be given an opportunity to repent. If they did not, then two witnesses would go to them and confront them with their sin and plead with them to repent.

If they still would not repent, then the issue would be brought before the church and they most likely would be removed from the church.

Homosexuality is a sin according to Gods law yes. But the Church says that Jesus abolished the law and nailed it to the tree. ( I do not agree with that doctrine myself). Now all that matters is Love God and Love your neighbor, and that replaces everything else. (Another one I do ot agre with)

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

Man doesn't convict people of sins. Only Godconvicts.
The only time you should ever ask "Is homosexuality a sin?" is to yourself, and if you feel you are a homosexual. Otherwise, since it doesn't deal with YOU, it's none of your business to tell people what is or isn't sin, unless God specifically makes it your business. And honestly I don't believe God is going to tell every single Christian to speak out against homosexuality. Maybe one or two in private with a close friend, but never in mass infront of everyone so all can be shamed and embarassed.[/quote]
I agree that with this.......

 

[MikeMcK]

The only time you should ever ask "Is homosexuality a sin?" is to yourself, and if you feel you are a homosexual. Otherwise, since it doesn't deal with YOU, it's none of your business to tell people what is or isn't sin, unless God specifically makes it your business.

And, since God has called each of us to preach the Gospel, it is our business.

Maybe one or two in private with a close friend, but never in mass infront of everyone so all can be shamed and embarassed.

Shame is not a bad thing. If you're doing something wrong, then you should be embarrassed.

 

[Charles YTK]

Man doesn't convict people of sins. Only Godconvicts.
The only time you should ever ask "Is homosexuality a sin?" is to yourself, and if you feel you are a homosexual. Otherwise, since it doesn't deal with YOU, it's none of your business to tell people what is or isn't sin, unless God specifically makes it your business. And honestly I don't believe God is going to tell every single Christian to speak out against homosexuality. Maybe one or two in private with a close friend, but never in mass infront of everyone so all can be shamed and embarassed.

I agree that with this.......

Would you both agree with this if it was murder, or rape, or Child abuse?

 

[Charles YTK]

Here Paul is certainly Judging and is also chastising the church in Cornith for not doing so themselves. He is using the authority of the law to make this Judgement as well. This law on near raltions comes from the Torah!


1CO 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. [2] And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. [3] For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, [4] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, [5] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

You know I got to say this and then I think I am done here....I wonder if either of you have ever been convicted of your own sins by the Holy Spirit...if you have ever known anyone who has been in the lifestyle and see God work in their life....have you ever spoken to healed gays and see what methods worked best with them and what tortured and drove them further from God what caused them to have nervous breakdowns drove them to seek peace and only to find their way back because God loved these people you talk so vehemently about not understanding how they came to their lifestyle or what they went through ever trying to find their way to God and some still searching........I have to all of these things and what you so called Christians think you are doing in love rehashing and trying to expose and chastise is so harmful and it hurts my heart and makes me want to cry for the pain you are inflicting on so many here.
I thank God He is not like those who are so blind that they cannot see the damage of these continuing conversations........I will pray for all of you not because I judge you or hate you or want to condemn or convict you but because I truly understand.....some things you never will or at least at this point in your lives and I hope one day God will open your eyes to see really see the scriptures and His desires through His eyes.
Be blessed friends you will be in my daily prayers.
G

 

[icedtea]

Thank you for your post; which was full of grace.

 

[MikeMcK]

You know I got to say this and then I think I am done here....I wonder if either of you have ever been convicted of your own sins by the Holy Spirit...if you have ever known anyone who has been in the lifestyle and see God work in their life....have you ever spoken to healed gays and see what methods worked best with them and what tortured and drove them further from God what caused them to have nervous breakdowns drove them to seek peace and only to find their way back because God loved these people you talk so vehemently about not understanding how they came to their lifestyle or what they went through ever trying to find their way to God and some still searching........I have to all of these things and what you so called Christians think you are doing in love rehashing and trying to expose and chastise is so harmful and it hurts my heart and makes me want to cry for the pain you are inflicting on so many here.
I thank God He is not like those who are so blind that they cannot see the damage of these continuing conversations........I will pray for all of you not because I judge you or hate you or want to condemn or convict you but because I truly understand.....some things you never will or at least at this point in your lives and I hope one day God will open your eyes to see really see the scriptures and His desires through His eyes.
Be blessed friends you will be in my daily prayers.
G

The bottom line is that homosexuality is a sin and it is impossible to preach the Gospel to homosexuals without bringing it up.

 

[icedtea]

Really? Not so. Present the gospel as always, man is sinful, Jesus took our punishment, we need to act upon that.
After one gets spiritually alive, God can then deal with all the rest of the sins.

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

From a scientific standpoint, most scientists believe SOME are born gay, SOME aren't gay and are unhealthily unfluenced to choose to be gay, and SOME choose.

In my opinion, although I'm ignorant on the science that says people are born gay, for the most part I think it's backed up by research. I am not ignorant though on unhealthy individuals, society's influence, and their personal choices to be things they are not. In my opinion, some people are born gay and are gay, some are born straight and because of unhealthy environmental factors are gay, some are born straight and choose to be gay for unhealthy reasons, some are born gay and choose to be straight for unhealthy reasons, some are born gay and because of unhealthy environmental factors are straight.

To say that all gay people are born gay is a lie. Some are confused of their sexuality. Some are straight and because they are unhealthy are gay. Some are gay and because they are unhealthy are straight. Some are gay but they choose to be straight because of social influences being so strong. That's unhealthy too to force yourself against what you want based on social influences.

I honestly don't know if homosexuality is a sin or not. God has never told me the answer, I will not read the Bible with my wisdom or Man's Wisdom, only with God's Wisdom. But God doesn't want to give me that wisdom, at least not yet, because He's never given me an answer. I also don't care, because it doesn't matter. Other's sin is none of my business. My job is to love someone, regardless if they are gay or not. If they are gay and it's not a sin, I won't be doing any harm by loving them. If they are gay and it is a sin, then it's still none of my business. Other's sin isn't my business unless God makes it my business.

Man doesn't convict people of sins. Only God convicts. If God never convicts someone of being homosexual, then that's okay, because it's none of my business. Even if it's a sin or not, God may be too busy convicting them about a billion other sins they have and never get around to homosexuality. Or maybe it's not a sin and that's why they don't get convicted. I don't care, because it's none of human's business. Other's sin is between that person and God ONLY.

The only time you should ever ask "Is homosexuality a sin?" is to yourself, and if you feel you are a homosexual. Otherwise, since it doesn't deal with YOU, it's none of your business to tell people what is or isn't sin, unless God specifically makes it your business. And honestly I don't believe God is going to tell every single Christian to speak out against homosexuality. Maybe one or two in private with a close friend, but never in mass infront of everyone so all can be shamed and embarassed.

The bottom line is that homosexuality is a sin and it is impossible to preach the Gospel to homosexuals without bringing it up.

Sin is sin it is impossible to preach the Gospel without bringing that up ...that is the point get saved and let God convict not you....when they read the Gospel they will see the truth and God's Word convicts you don't say to a gay person you are a sinner you say God loves you He has opinions on many things accept Him as your savior and let Him talk ot your heart.
I dare anyone here to day they are sinless......I'm not are you?

 

[Abigayle's Legacy]

Thank you for your post; which was full of grace.

Thank you I speak what God tells me too and what my heart has been convicted to say.If you see grace it is God not me.