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Homosexuality is a sin, get over it...

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When you start a thread, with a title which tells others who have deep rooted opposition to you opinion, that they need to get "over it", then you have invited un-christ like resentment upon yourself.

Now, if it was my opinion and that's all it was, then I would agree with you. However, it happens to be God's opinion as well.

Many of us know that portions of the bible pertain to the culture of that time (such as allowing polygamy), the idea of two men being in a loving relationship, that models the compassion and devotion of married couples, was not foreseen or known at the time of these cultures. The acts they condemn are individuals who were acting purely on lust alone, the same condemnation applies to heterosexuals as well.

I absolutely disagree. Read this:

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

This is not a condemnation against both heteros and homos. It is a condemnation against the gays, because it clearly says "as with womenkind" and, as we all know, that means that what men are doing with women they should not be doing with other men.

In the new testament you have Paul who condemns the act, but Paul also told slaves to remain slaves, because christ was coming soon. I don't think there's a rational christian among us who will say that Paul's teachings are perfect. In reference to homosexuality, he is condemning the acts that were occurring in his lifetime.

I believe whatever is in the Bible to be perfect, not flawed, the scriptures cannot be broken. What, not Paul, but rather, the Bible says about homosexuality is that it is wrong, it is a sin, and it needs to be stopped.

You're right, no matter what I think of you, I should not of spoken to you with such harsh words, but the fact remains that
I am a deep rooted activist for gay rights, just as I am for the rights of men and women of color. To live around the gay community, and to see that their identity is just as important as my race, and to see how they have been persecuted, and oppressed, and forced to suffer because many of us refuse to understand them, is one of the cruel injustices of our society.

I have never persecuted an individual, only their sin. As I've stated earlier, if they aren't in Christ then that's your first mission. If they are of Christ, then they should know better then to do that. Paul questions the church why they didn't kick out a homosexual when they knew of his sin.

The word of God condoned killing unbelievers, stoning adulterers, polygamy, and these acts would not be considered ignorant relevant to the time they pertain to, but to condone them today would be ignorant.

To condone them right here and now would be a sin. But if you happen to be in Israel, and the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin, is reinstated, and they order a death, then you'd be sinning if you didn't hurl a stone.

Homosexuality at the time of Paul and the OT was a sin relative to the time of writing, and the homosexuality they condemn is not the homosexuality of today. The concept of two men or two woman who love each other, and seek a committed relationship, that is not based on lust, but compassion, was not foreseen by the writers of the OT, nor Paul.


First of all, you have no idea if that was true. Next, as I quoted above, a man is not to lie with a man as he does with a women. That means compassion and deep rooted love. Two men are not supposed to have that.

As I've said I apologize for my harsh words, but every-time I hear of a christian father who throws his son out because he is gay, or a gay person who is persecuted, who is denied being who he is, who suffers so much at the hands of people who do not understand him, who is led to suicide, how can I not weep, and become angry?

I have not done anything close to any of those. I've only done God's work by preaching the teaching of the Bible. I love the sinner but not the sin. If they can't accept that, I really can't change my stance and condone their sin.
 
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But perhaps I can persuade you to believe that we should afford them the same rights to marry, as we would a couple who is nonchristian, or even another couple who we find to be truly immoral (such as two members of the KKK), can we at least give them that?

I don't support un-Christian weddings as well. I don't like the whole "dating" system that is practiced by us youth. I have a girlfriend, but it isn't a relationship close to anything that the worldy system of "dating" is. It is true love, not one based on improving our social class, or sex, or just feeling wanted. It is true, and that is the way it should be. I don't support un-Christian weddings.

If the members of the KKK were Christians (as in true Christians and not Sunday Christians) I wouldn't find a problem with them getting married, because it's not a sin. However, the other practices they have make me want to hurt them... badly. I don't condone or support them either. But if certain actions aren't sins, I can't exactly hate them for it.
 
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The notion that Jesus would condone homosexual sex is absurd.

The act violates, no it tramples the purity laws of the time of His ministry.

For this reason, some have sought to nullify the effects of these laws by wrongly assuming they were based in large part on the ‘restricted’ culture of the times e.g. homophobia.

Actually, we would be hard pressed to find more openly homosexual societies then those which were present in much of the ancient world.

Therefore, one can hardly argue that these laws were based solely on a societal prejudice against homosexuals.

It is much easier to make the claim that these laws were born of the realization that homosexuality is a perversion of the otherwise natural and healthy act of sex; ergo homosexuality is called an abomination.

Men sleep with women, and not each other.

This is a perfectly natural and reasonable response to the question of homosexuality. This response, which is the response of Judaism to homosexuality implies neither explicitly or implicitly a fear of homosexuality; rather, the idea of homophobia must be injected into this response, as the response itself is lacking animosity; it is simply a statement of sexuality. Or, would anyone argue that men are not made to sleep with women, and women not made to receive the man?
 
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:eek: Where does Christ use language like this in the Bible?

I do not recall him ever telling anyone to GET over anything. And, as we are told that the servant is not above his master, I would hesitate to take a tone which is more condemnatory than his, if I were you.

Fwiw, the phrase; 'hate the sin but love the sinner' is, imo, unChristian. There is no room for hatred in Christ, in God, nor in our faith.
NOTE: NOT saying I hate the sinner. I AM saying the SIN IS SIN AS JESUS said it was. Read the Bible in Romans...come one. Paul said it was an abomination. HOW much harsher can you get??? I DO love. But show me where GOD says to love the sin??? READ what I posted, not what you interpreted I posted.
 
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If one man loving another is a sin, then Our Lord sinned, because he loved the disciple John, who is referred to in the Bible as the Beloved Disciple.

Interesting take on Scripture. :)
THAT is not what is being referenced. Are you saying Jesus was gay cause he loved John?? NOW THAT is twisted. GET with it.
 
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See, this is my problem with this whole topic, christians fight amongst themselves and fight with their intellect but get nowhere on the issue, because everyone thinks their right

The People who are opposed to it speak like and think that homosexuality is this sin that is so easily overcomeable, in a moment you repent and it's gone no.

I think people fail to realize that the things said lack love, and push people farther away, a homosexual is not going to respond well to " You're going to hell, and YOU are completely wrong and grotesque" this maybe true, but it is your responsibility to administer grace edification and love unot the hearer

and last of all I assure you sitting here in front of the computer fighting on the forum is not going to make people like Richard Simmons and Ellen Degeneres any less homosexual.



 
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OObi and other's like him, will not stand the test of time, because most Christians will gradually understand the truth.

The time is coming very soon, where Christianity will lose many of it's former ideas, the bible will be stripped of everything. The gospels will be considered plagiarized, and Christ's existence will come into question. Those who base there faith on literal beliefs, will loose it all. Many of these things will occur in our lifetime, but most Christians are unwilling to look to see that they are starting to occur now. But all this is God's will, because we have ignored his message in the gospels for a long time.

True believers will find strength, as the words of Christ are presented in a new light. And those who cling to ideas of OObi and others, will be washed away in the flood.

Christianity has been in the dark about the true message of the gospels for a long time, because individuals like OObi cover their eyes and yours as well.

A time will come when all is revealed, and when we have lost hope, and belief, we will find it again, greater and more beautiful than we have ever known before. For all that is hidden, will be revealed.

God bless, for the Kingdom of God is nigh.
 
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NO, cause it is STILL wrong in God's eyes. Nothing wrong with loving them. As I said, I DO love the person...BUT not what the sin is. Sorry. God made Adam and Eve...NOT Adam and Steve....sorry.

Pithy sayings notwithstanding, do you believe that your religious beliefs on this matter should be enforced on anyone else? That homosexuals should be denied the right to marry for instance? And if so, what's your argument for keeping religion out of the government (since putting your religion in the goverment means you're keeping many more religions out - many of which call the same diety Lord.)


I would guess, for example, that you would oppose being denied surgical procedures and blood transfusions because certain denominations believe this to be a sin.
Is it "okay" in your mind to enforce world-wide vegetarianism because some people believe it's immoral to kill animals for food?
 
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Pithy sayings notwithstanding, do you believe that your religious beliefs on this matter should be enforced on anyone else? That homosexuals should be denied the right to marry for instance? And if so, what's your argument for keeping religion out of the government (since putting your religion in the goverment means you're keeping many more religions out - many of which call the same diety Lord.)


I would guess, for example, that you would oppose being denied surgical procedures and blood transfusions because certain denominations believe this to be a sin.
Is it "okay" in your mind to enforce world-wide vegetarianism because some people believe it's immoral to kill animals for food?

I think a better question to ask here is: Who gave the government its power? God, yes? If so, then shouldn't the government abide by His rules?

In fact, it's because the government will ultimately defy Him in every way that it will be brought to naught in the day of God's wrath!

Should God then be judged as being wrong for bringing the guilty to justice?
 
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Why do you seek to remove the mote from thy brother's eye without first removing the beam from thy own eye? Remove first the beam, so that you may be able to see better to remove the mote from thy brother's eye.

Or, alternatively:

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

Or, alternatively:

Judge not, lest ye be judged

Will you say this to God in the day of His wrath when He brings judgment down upon those who are living in sin, such as the one that OObi mentioned?
 
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I think a better question to ask here is: Who gave the government its power? God, yes? If so, then shouldn't the government abide by His rules?

In fact, it's because the government will ultimately defy Him in every way that it will be brought to naught in the day of God's wrath!

Should God then be judged as being wrong for bringing the guilty to justice?

So because you believe the government operates under a mandate from God, everyone should be bound by your morality?


I'd prefer to respect other people's opinions.
 
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Oobi, you are wise beyond your years. YOU go! I support you 100%!


!!! How do you know how old I am?


See, this is my problem with this whole topic, christians fight amongst themselves and fight with their intellect but get nowhere on the issue, because everyone thinks their right

The People who are opposed to it speak like and think that homosexuality is this sin that is so easily overcomeable, in a moment you repent and it's gone no.

I think people fail to realize that the things said lack love, and push people farther away, a homosexual is not going to respond well to " You're going to hell, and YOU are completely wrong and grotesque" this maybe true, but it is your responsibility to administer grace edification and love unot the hearer

and last of all I assure you sitting here in front of the computer fighting on the forum is not going to make people like Richard Simmons and Ellen Degeneres any less homosexual.

If anyone was interested they would read my op and my earlier posts and find that this was not a thread on bashing homosexuals, as so many indiviuals so kindly make it out to be, but rather, it was a thread that I set in place to condemn the condoning of sin. Homosexuality is a sin, and it should not be accepted. Love the sinner, not the sin. I'm not talking about kicking a gay our of your community, or any other hostile thing. Treat them with love, like Jesus would. But this thread was about how people are accepting and condoning sin, and that shouldn't be.

The time is coming very soon, where Christianity will lose many of it's former ideas, the bible will be stripped of everything.

Your saying that I'm the one stripping the Bible from what it is, and you are the one that is a proponent of homosexuality and preaching that God is one too? I'm lost?

(since putting your religion in the goverment means you're keeping many more religions out - many of which call the same diety Lord.)

No god that is called allah is the same as my YHWH.
 
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So because you believe the government operates under a mandate from God, everyone should be bound by your morality?


I'd prefer to respect other people's opinions.

My morality? No, we are to be bound by God's morality. And those who refuse to be bound by His morality will face His wrath, and rightly so.

You say you prefer to respect others opinions. Would you respect the opinion of someone who told you that he believes it is good to molest children?

Would you respect that belief? How could you respect that belief without condoning it? Do you really hear what you are saying?
 
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