"Reformed" or just "Real"?

[StormyOne]

I just had to ask just for clarification ... you know how sometimes one can misunderstand.
Thanks

yep... perhaps there is a kinder, gentler way to say the same thing, I forget not everyone knows if I am joking or serious....

 

[daveleau]

Shorter and less problematic thread. Please see this thread about why it got so much shorter: http://www.christianforums.com/t2252506-day-of-grace.html

 

[Seraph1m]

True and reasonable. It is always best to ask rather than assume and find oneself at odds when there was no actual problem to begin with. Just a lack of communication.

 

[BondGirl]

I attend an integrated church - so this is beyond the point......

BOT!

I think Dizahab askes a very insightful question;
Does any of the those that have posted to this thread, or feel the church is racist, attend an integrated church?

 

[BondGirl]

Off topic
You asked - here it goes....

1. Incest is not addressed in our church. It could be happening - but no one will say anything - until it is exposed to the media - then we get "huffy" about it.

2. Molestation has went on for years without any recourse.

3. Gay & Lesbian issues are not discussed other than "Don't do it"....

4. Racial issues are not discussed.

5. Age-ism (the need to discriminate against the young) is not discussed.

6. EGW vs. The Bible.

7. Vegetarianism vs. Veganism vs. Meat-Eater (can we all go to heaven?)

8. Business meetings on the Sabbath?

9. Wine = Grape Juice <or> Wine = Wine?

10. WE are the remenant church. Like we are the only one's that will be saved.

There's a start. Now BOT!

What spots and wrinkles are you referrng to? Please be specific.

 

[BondGirl]

Bump - I jes wanna know folks!

 

[Dizahab]

Bump - I jes wanna know folks!

What is this "bump" term mean? Your slang words are new to me.

 

[StormyOne]

What is this "bump" term mean? Your slang words are new to me.

it means that someone will post a comment to activate the thread and move it to the top again.....

 

[BondGirl]

Sorry....

*ahem*

Bump - to make a post to "move" a thread up in the ranking on the front page - so it is visible (more "readily" visible) to others for comments, reading, and discussion among the members heretofore. "Bump" is a term used on forum/chats within the US and in a few other Countries....

Carry on!

What is this "bump" term mean? Your slang words are new to me.

 

[BondGirl]

Bump - please discuss....

 

[thehayesman]

I think these are great points to confront in your denomination. I'm a baptist, and we struggle with some of the same issues, though some are clearly denominationally specific. I hope we can all learn to keep on changing things as you say until Jesus comes. Stagnant churches will be made to serve Satan eventually, its true.

 

[BondGirl]

I think these are great points to confront in your denomination. I'm a baptist, and we struggle with some of the same issues, though some are clearly denominationally specific. I hope we can all learn to keep on changing things as you say until Jesus comes. Stagnant churches will be made to serve Satan eventually, its true.

This was a deep statement and I want your permission to quote you....

Very deep!

 

[Joshua J. Daigle]

If we were really serious about being the "Remnant" church we would be serious about ironing out those spots and wrinkles.

Amen.

 

[Joshua J. Daigle]

WEll, we basically suffer from the same ills from which society suffers. We will start with the fact that in the US our church is still, officially, segregated. Sure there is some blending here and there, but officially there are white conference and Regional[black] conferences. These were started because even though EGW gave instruction to do evangelism aamong the blacks, the white Adventist did not want to worship in the same churches with blacks,a nd sadly they still exist today. This is being discussed in depth in another thread. But we can start there. That is a huge wrinkle right there.


BTW, Welcome, I am a newbie myself!

I did not realize, until about 3 years ago, that there were white and black conferences. I was so dis-heartened when I found out. I guess I was lucky growing up, as we had both black and white congregation members.

 

[Jon0388g]

Firstly to the white/black conferences? This absolutely does not happen in the UK! If there is a predominantly white/black church it is purely based on the area.

Bondgirl in response to your 'spots' that need wrinkling out, I feel that yes there are some issues that need to be worked on, but most of them are mere opinion-based. Meat eating/ageism etc are all based on what varies from person to person within the church, and culture-wise.

I was expecting you to bring up the two most evident prickly issues in our church today - and that is firstly the doctrine of the Sanctuary and the Investigative Judgement, and secondly the issue of Ellen White. You did mention "Ellen White vs. the Bible," but I'm pretty confident most Adventists will agree that the lesser light only points to the Greater Light; the Bible. Yes some Adventists like to over-quote and go crazy but for the majority. Ellen White the person - her validity especially as a prophet is still not concretely agreed in the Church - not for me anyways.

Jon

 

[Sunrunner]

I must admit, I haven't heard about the White/Black conferences until now.

I've sent in a question about that to letstalk.adventist.org, so I'll see what the answer is.

 

[StormyOne]

I must admit, I haven't heard about the White/Black conferences until now.

I've sent in a question about that to letstalk.adventist.org, so I'll see what the answer is.

well its not a secret.....exactly.... though its not something the church should be proud of.......

 

[Jimlarmore]

I've never understood why we have separate conferences for black and white christians. In the area of the U.S. where I live we have all black churches but in these particular churches there are white people that attend regularly and vice versa black people that attend in the white ones. I for one would be about changing this in the General Conference asap. There is no need for an all black conference in our denomination. There will certainly be no color distinction in heaven why should we participate in that kind of thing now?

 

[StormyOne]

power and control are usually the reasons for these kinds of separations...... and since separate conferences have been in existence for 60 yrs., both sides are probably reluctant to give up or share the power...

 

[BondGirl]

I'm back....bumpin' for the discussion to restart....
Still gotta work on these "spots and wrinkles."