Do Mormons go to Hell?

[Wrigley]

ok, so here's my question if works is what "merits" us to go to heaven.

Under this assumption, really, none of us can KNOW that we're going to heaven then right? We all can TRY to be good, but isn't it Isaiah and romans that state no one is holy/righteous, not even one. Isaiah further says - our righteousness are of filthy rags. I believe the term "rag" also has the connotation of a female's rag.

But please answer this question - who is going to heaven then for sure if it's based on "works." (Though, I believe Ephesians 2:8-9 is pretty clear ... saved through grace not saved by works, so no one can boast?)

Ephesians is real clear.

 

[Godschild]

"Mormon" is just a title. Just like "Baptist" or "Catholic". It doesn't matter what you call yourself. If you have not accepted Jesus Christ into your heart as your Lord and Savior, then yes you will go to Hell. At least that's what I think.

 

[Wrigley]

"Mormon" is just a title. Just like "Baptist" or "Catholic". It doesn't matter what you call yourself. If you have not accepted Jesus Christ into your heart as your Lord and Savior, then yes you will go to Hell. At least that's what I think.

Don't equate mormon as just a title like Baptist or Catholic. At least Baptists and Catholics agree on the nature of God. Mormons do not. Mormons are a totally foriegn religion.

 

[Toms777]

"Mormon" is just a title. Just like "Baptist" or "Catholic". It doesn't matter what you call yourself. If you have not accepted Jesus Christ into your heart as your Lord and Savior, then yes you will go to Hell. At least that's what I think.

Scripture tells us that a different gospel and a different Jesus is no gospel at all, and even the president of the Mormon church says that they follow a different Jesus than we do, and they clearly follow a different gospel.

Labels don't matter but the gospel does.

 

[doclkk]

Ephesians is real clear.

Brevity is beneficial when clarity exists ... in this case, it does not, are you agreeing with me or answering my question?

If you're doing the latter, please explain.

 

[Godschild]

Oh okay, so, since they follow a different Jesus than we do, then they must be going to Hell then, right?

 

[Wrigley]

Oh okay, so, since they follow a different Jesus than we do, then they must be going to Hell then, right?

Would you have a problem with that?

 

[Toms777]

Oh okay, so, since they follow a different Jesus than we do, then they must be going to Hell then, right?

2 Cor 11:3-4
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted--you may well put up with it!
NKJV

Gal 1:6-8
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
NKJV

 

[Talyn]

Why would anyone really care if mormons will go to hell or not? I've seen some descriptions of how christians veiw heaven. I think to me that would be hell. So either way, I guess I'm going there. So I'll see you there.

 

[doclkk]

well they do care, if mormons do go to hell, then their doctrine is obviously very wrong.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Why would anyone really care if mormons will go to hell or not? I've seen some descriptions of how christians veiw heaven. I think to me that would be hell. So either way, I guess I'm going there. So I'll see you there.

I guess if you didn't care about the final outcome of your fellow man, you wouldn't care but for those of us who believe in the truth of God's word, we want to see all man come to Jesus and recieve heaven with him forever when they die.

Of course we know that all man will not accept his free gift to us and believe on his word and who he really is but God has called us to speak his truth anyway and it is out of love for God and concern for our fellow man that we do it.

If they don't want to hear it, so be it, that is totally their choice but it doesn't change the fact that we are still told by God in his holy word to share his truth.

God Bless,
Grace

 

[DCP 32° K.T]

Thanks for the Henry citation. I agree with the article in most but not all particulars. In the parts with which I disagree, Henry seems to be saying that faith is merely some sort of a motivator--at least at some points. This is where James (or as those followers of the ancient way refer to him, Iakobos) gets Henry's position into a degree of trouble. A synergy is more than mere motivation. Answering the questions I asked will lead to better understanding of the issue but, to date, no one has directly addressed the questions. They are again:

1. What is a synergy?

2. What does a synergy require?

3. What does a synergy accomplish?

 

[Toms777]

Thanks for the Henry citation. I agree with the article in most but not all particulars. In the parts with which I disagree, Henry seems to be saying that faith is merely some sort of a motivator--at least at some points. This is where James (or as those followers of the ancient way refer to him, Iakobos) gets Henry's position into a degree of trouble. A synergy is more than mere motivation. Answering the questions I asked will lead to better understanding of the issue but, to date, no one has directly addressed the questions. They are again:

1. What is a synergy?

2. What does a synergy require?

3. What does a synergy accomplish?

The first question that I would ask is why you are insisting on using a specific word which comes from a specific english translation upon which to try to estbalish an interpretation.

 

[Wrigley]

Thanks for the Henry citation. I agree with the article in most but not all particulars. In the parts with which I disagree, Henry seems to be saying that faith is merely some sort of a motivator--at least at some points. This is where James (or as those followers of the ancient way refer to him, Iakobos) gets Henry's position into a degree of trouble. A synergy is more than mere motivation. Answering the questions I asked will lead to better understanding of the issue but, to date, no one has directly addressed the questions. They are again:

1. What is a synergy?

2. What does a synergy require?

3. What does a synergy accomplish?

Who was James writing too? That might help you understand what he is saying.

And I reject your claim of a synchronous relationship between faith and works. It is clear from the entire Scripture that this is not the case. The mormon NEED there to be that relationship because of their faulty soteriology. Theirs is the salvation by grace AFTER all that we may do. Their soteriology takes away from God's Glory and His work alone of our salvation.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

Who was James writing too? That might help you understand what he is saying.

Very good point, I was just going to suggest the same thing. James was writing to those who were ALL READY SAVED, these people were already believers but they were "lazy" Christians and he was telling them that basically they needed to get off their duffs and show that faith outwardly bye doing good works, they were not taking advantage of the leadings of the holy spirit to "do for" their fellow man.

It is also important to note that no where in the book of James, or the NT for that matter is good works referred to as "temple works". Good works is always used in conjunction (as far as I know), with feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, caring for the sick and poor, and sharing the good news of Jesus with others and just flat out seeing to the needs of your fellow man.

God Bless,
Grace

 

[DCP 32° K.T]

The first question that I would ask is why you are insisting on using a specific word which comes from a specific english translation upon which to try to estbalish an interpretation.

...it doesn't come from an English translation. It comes straight out of the Greek New Testament. The English synergy comes directly from the Greek sunergeô (sun ['with'] + ergeô ['I work']) which is exactly what word James uses in 2:22-24. James describes the functional relationship of faith and works using the selfsame word. So, those questions are again:

1. What is a synergy?

2. What does a synergy require?

3. What does a synergy accomplish?

 

[DCP 32° K.T]

...And I reject your claim of a synchronous relationship between faith and works...

Soooo, is what you are saying that James is a liar for using the very Greek word underlying the English synergy in describing the relationship between faith and works? Something must be going on for James to have said that faith is completed or perfected by a synergetic relationship between faith and works. I have said nothing about the Mormon position on this issue. I'm just repeating what James actually wrote without watering down the translation. Please just address the questions. Those questions again are:

1. What is a synergy?

2. What does a synergy require?

3. What does a synergy accomplish?

 

[TOmNossor]

Concerning faith and works let us remember:

Martin Luther and the Reformists where the first people in all of the history of the world to formulate imputed righteousness (saved by grace through faith ALONE).

These folks did this while blatantly ignoring whole books of the Bible (James being the book most ignored).

So if you want to follow those who called the book of James an “epistle of straw.” Then that is fine.

But do not tell LDS that they do not subscribe to the Bible.

“Sola scriptura” perhaps, but only in accordance with what the reformist said the Bible meant.



Charity, TOm

 

[skylark1]

I do not consider the book of James to be an "epistle of straw," but are you sure about Martin Luther and the Reformists being the first people in all of history to formulate imputed righteousness? Are you sure that you can claim that the apostle Paul did not advocate salvation through faith alone?

Ephesians 2
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--

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Is imputed righteousness not what Clement wrote of in the First Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians?

Chapter XXXII.-We are Justified Not by Our Own Works, But by Faith.

And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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[happyinhisgrace]

Concerning faith and works let us remember:

Martin Luther and the Reformists where the first people in all of the history of the world to formulate imputed righteousness (saved by grace through faith ALONE).

Charity, TOm

I find this a very interesting concept since the entire NT is full of the "by faith alone" teaching. To say that the early Christians of NT times didn't teach, preach and profess "saved by faith alone" is not only to ignore the entire NT but to also claim that the NT is totally wrong, or perhaps you mean that the writers of the NT were not inspired by God and everything they wrote was wrong? Or perhaps you just mean that all the passages that teach on Faith, for salvation are wrong but any passage that mentions works as a good thing is ok. Either way, your statement doesn't match up with biblical teaching and I prefer to stick with what God says on the whole matter.

I realize it is the LDS way to try and use the book of James to "prove" that faith alone does not save but that works are also required for salvation to "the highest degree of glory in heaven" but no where in the book of James does it even say that works save you, no where. Like I said before it is addressed to those who are already saved in Jesus, those folks were ALREADY believers but were being lazy Christians and not professing their faith by the outward "good works".

If you really want to get down to the nitty gritty of it. The "works" that are required in the lds church for one to obtain "the celestial kingdom" are not even the works James was speaking of and definitly not the works of God, . God never taught the "secret" things of the lds church. Interesting that something that the LDS consider so very nessisary, Jesus never even mentioned. How do I know he never mentioned it, because it isn't in the Bible and the Bible clearly lays out all we need to know to live with God in Heaven forever. Jesus promised his truth would not be removed and it hasn't but then again, you have to believe in a Jesus that means what he says, is powerful enough to keep what he wants in the Bible, and does.

LICJ-Tami