Well my thinking about HPD was encouraged by my thinking about possibly seeing my one friend again (who I think may have HPD).
This time I guess it won't be world war III afterall (thank God). My hubby seems to understand and agree with the seriousness of what's going on.
Without getting into all the details, something shocking and horrible has happened to our church. Something "has gotten into" and deceived our pastor.
It's one thing as a pastor, to know who you're going to vote for and say look I have my own opinion but I'm not going to discuss it- everyone has to make their own decision according to concience. I could even accept, "Well this is my personal descision about who I'm going to vote for- and leave it at that (though I would disagree with them, I wouldn't suspect there is something majorly wrong going on, not automatically).
Ah, but to do this and to come out and make public statements, to allow yourself to join a type of commitee/cabinet type position for them....Worse- much much worse, to become like a spokesman, to travel the country speaking on behalf of them- to promote them (instead of say-the gospel) and then to join a horrible group that seems to have a cast of reprobates in it???!!! To align oneself, to join a band of people in agreement, people who degrade, bash, & mock the things honorable men & women of God stand for? Join a group who do all this against what the Bible (which you say you teach that that is what you believe) says? Join a group who are clearly deceived in their "theology" & teaching- a group who promote confusion and stand with others who hate Christians and the things we stand for???!!!
I (we are) am uttterly shocked & disappointed. Looking back I can see now how it was fitting together, how this was and is building. Who knows how far this is going to go, bring in civil activists & community organizers to "preach" to the congregation? That, is something else I have trouble with. Does everybody else know, how many people do? Are they sitting pretty with it, or would it turn their stomach like it is ours? As far as we are aware there was no general announcement, nothing in the bulletins or the official website about this. So are they trying to keep it under wraps for fear some in the congregation may disapprove, or what? Or, trying to do a non-profit tax exempt dance, maybe a bit of both?
Again, this is also troublesome. I for one didn't sign on to this reprobate activism, when I decided to make this my home church- and pay tithes. I don't think others signed on to this either. It should be made clear, so that others can choose if they want themselves & their money to be connected to such garbage & deception.
I wanted our money to go to help the poor in the community & the Dominican..not be connected to some reprobate PAC, to possibly pay for their travel for such speeches, etc..
Another thing, I (we) think its wrong also because, it's obvious why they chose him, ha not because of his sermons and care for the community- no guess again...uh maybe Mr. O chose him to take part of a secret meeting ( brainwashing deception seduction session) maaybe because he has a church of around 4000? It's like one of the top 10 AOG churches in the country, and one of the "up and coming" "megachurches" in the country. Because of such numbers, he got promoted to the social justice head (whatever) of the NHCLC. In the world and with Mr. O, it's all about the numbers baby.
I think it's wrong to use that. I mean would he get such positions if he had a church of say 300 people? I think the church got that big because they were doing the right things, preaching a strong uncompromising gospel and helping the needy. This is like taking the truth, the uncompomising gospel and throwing it out the window. Does one think a church can be healthy and favored by God by doing that? One can't just focus on helping the poor & needy, to the detriment of other things. In one of the books in the New Testament, there is a phrase "Oh, so and so- who hath bewitched you?" This is exactly how I feel, but I do know the answer to that question.
I won't get into here, about why I think the pastor made these decision to go in this direction. Yet I understand, by the grace of God...such descision are not and will not be good for him, his family, or the church.
I have understood, have even received words of knowledge about various people in the past, and certain decisions and paths they were taking, how if they went that way or in going that way, how it was going to lead to these other downward/bad things (and it did go that way). This seemed to have started (unknown to us) in June for him and already we are seeing questionable/bad fruit in the church (mentioned in other post).
If they don't repent of this bad alignment and lending their name (which really is the church's, the denomination's, and Jesus' name) things are only going to go downward and lead to more confusion and deception. Well we for one (our family) don't want to lend our name or money to such a thing.
This time I guess it won't be world war III afterall (thank God). My hubby seems to understand and agree with the seriousness of what's going on.
Without getting into all the details, something shocking and horrible has happened to our church. Something "has gotten into" and deceived our pastor.
It's one thing as a pastor, to know who you're going to vote for and say look I have my own opinion but I'm not going to discuss it- everyone has to make their own decision according to concience. I could even accept, "Well this is my personal descision about who I'm going to vote for- and leave it at that (though I would disagree with them, I wouldn't suspect there is something majorly wrong going on, not automatically).
Ah, but to do this and to come out and make public statements, to allow yourself to join a type of commitee/cabinet type position for them....Worse- much much worse, to become like a spokesman, to travel the country speaking on behalf of them- to promote them (instead of say-the gospel) and then to join a horrible group that seems to have a cast of reprobates in it???!!! To align oneself, to join a band of people in agreement, people who degrade, bash, & mock the things honorable men & women of God stand for? Join a group who do all this against what the Bible (which you say you teach that that is what you believe) says? Join a group who are clearly deceived in their "theology" & teaching- a group who promote confusion and stand with others who hate Christians and the things we stand for???!!!
I (we are) am uttterly shocked & disappointed. Looking back I can see now how it was fitting together, how this was and is building. Who knows how far this is going to go, bring in civil activists & community organizers to "preach" to the congregation? That, is something else I have trouble with. Does everybody else know, how many people do? Are they sitting pretty with it, or would it turn their stomach like it is ours? As far as we are aware there was no general announcement, nothing in the bulletins or the official website about this. So are they trying to keep it under wraps for fear some in the congregation may disapprove, or what? Or, trying to do a non-profit tax exempt dance, maybe a bit of both?
Again, this is also troublesome. I for one didn't sign on to this reprobate activism, when I decided to make this my home church- and pay tithes. I don't think others signed on to this either. It should be made clear, so that others can choose if they want themselves & their money to be connected to such garbage & deception.
I wanted our money to go to help the poor in the community & the Dominican..not be connected to some reprobate PAC, to possibly pay for their travel for such speeches, etc..
Another thing, I (we) think its wrong also because, it's obvious why they chose him, ha not because of his sermons and care for the community- no guess again...uh maybe Mr. O chose him to take part of a secret meeting ( brainwashing deception seduction session) maaybe because he has a church of around 4000? It's like one of the top 10 AOG churches in the country, and one of the "up and coming" "megachurches" in the country. Because of such numbers, he got promoted to the social justice head (whatever) of the NHCLC. In the world and with Mr. O, it's all about the numbers baby.
I think it's wrong to use that. I mean would he get such positions if he had a church of say 300 people? I think the church got that big because they were doing the right things, preaching a strong uncompromising gospel and helping the needy. This is like taking the truth, the uncompomising gospel and throwing it out the window. Does one think a church can be healthy and favored by God by doing that? One can't just focus on helping the poor & needy, to the detriment of other things. In one of the books in the New Testament, there is a phrase "Oh, so and so- who hath bewitched you?" This is exactly how I feel, but I do know the answer to that question.
I won't get into here, about why I think the pastor made these decision to go in this direction. Yet I understand, by the grace of God...such descision are not and will not be good for him, his family, or the church.
I have understood, have even received words of knowledge about various people in the past, and certain decisions and paths they were taking, how if they went that way or in going that way, how it was going to lead to these other downward/bad things (and it did go that way). This seemed to have started (unknown to us) in June for him and already we are seeing questionable/bad fruit in the church (mentioned in other post).
If they don't repent of this bad alignment and lending their name (which really is the church's, the denomination's, and Jesus' name) things are only going to go downward and lead to more confusion and deception. Well we for one (our family) don't want to lend our name or money to such a thing.
