I've been having some discussions in a christian forum about Freewill, and of course the topic always swings to UR.. because they know my beliefs. But I found it really astounding that most of them don't believe that Christ's work of Redemption was finished on the cross. They believe a person is not redeemed UNTIL they become Christians. I do believe that the process of redemption means that one has to appropriate that sacrificial work, but from God's side it's already a given fact. However, one said, and I quote "I'd also add that people are NOT "reconciled" to God already - taking a good look around this world that's completely resistant and irreverant to God is evidence enough."... this being said after I'd pointed out that Christ has already redeemed mankind.. all mankind. In other words, they are in effect saying Christ did not die for us 'while we were yet sinners'.