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Yoga Stations of the Cross?

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Michie, Mar 24, 2011.

  1. Michie

    Michie Manipulation Resistance Team Supporter CF Ambassador

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    When you think you’ve seen it all


    Remember the post about the people in Albany who do the Stations of the Cross in clown gear?

    When you think you have seen it all… a reader comes around with this sort of thing (edited). This is from St. Louis and the Washington University Catholic Student Center.

    Continued- http://wdtprs.com/blog/2011/03/when-you-think-youve-seen-it-all/
     
  2. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    Well, as usual, Fr Z reacts with a narrow mind which is lacking in facts.

    The Clown Stations which he criticised at his web site, isn't what people think, being performed in Church by clowns.

    Its more of a play done on stage by a Clown Ministry Team.


    From The Deacons Bench;
    So, doing Yoga Stations of the Cross, probably means something other than what Fr Z thinks, which isn't surprising.

    Some people pray the Rosary while doing Yoga exercise. Rosary Yoga?

    Doing Yoga while meditating of the Stations of the Cross would be no different and not only not wrong, but very good.

    Its bringing Christian spirituality into the exercise.


    Jim
     
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    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    QuantaCura Rejoice always.

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    Oh yes, the venerable tradition from the '80s of making the Blessed Virgin look like a clown.

    [​IMG]

    What wrong with actually carrying things out with dignity and solemnity? Ugh. And if the intent is to do it solemnly, why the clowns?

    And what's wrong with praying like a Catholic rathering than incoporating the latest physical exercise fad at best, new age practice at worst.

    Do people really dislike their Catholic heritage that much?
     
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  5. Michie

    Michie Manipulation Resistance Team Supporter CF Ambassador

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    Ok, I'm sorry but that is just gross imo.
     
  6. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    So then from your statements, you oppose stations of the cross done in abstract art?


    Jim
     
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    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    BTW, the purpose of the clown is to express feelings, and is closer to a mime.

    Its the expression of Mary in an art form, which isn't disrespectful from what I saw.

    Jim
     
  8. Michie

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    The Stations stand on their own. No need for clown makeup. Which imo, is far from art.
     
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    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    The purpose is to express the feelings of the characters portrayed.

    Its not an photo imagery of the actual persons, for we don't know what they looked like anyway.

    To me, the expression in the face of the Blessed Mother meeting Jesus carrying the cross shown in the photo, is touching.

    Your thinking circus clowns, which this was not.

    Jim
     
  10. Michie

    Michie Manipulation Resistance Team Supporter CF Ambassador

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    I see no reason for it. So I'm afraid your defense of it is just a waste of time with me.

    Different strokes...
     
  11. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    Fine, its just your own personal taste.

    That doesn't make it wrong however.

    Jim
     
  12. Michie

    Michie Manipulation Resistance Team Supporter CF Ambassador

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    Did I say that? Don't believe I entered that territory.
     
  13. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    You opened the thread with Fr Z's criticism.

    If you don't agree with the article, then don't post it.


    Jim
     
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    Oh puhleez... I've been known for posting things I agree & disagree with or am neutral about. I'll continue as I always have. Thanks.

    If people cannot decipher between an article & a comments pro or con by the poster, that is their personal issue to work out.

    So you worry about your posts & I'll worry about mine.:doh:
     
  15. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    Michie

    Yeah, but you argued over with me over it, so I could only conclude, that you think its wrong as Fr Z does.


    Jim
     
  16. Michie

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    Uh huh. Jim. I know it's important for you to be right so if you say so.

    Blessed Lent to you. :wave:
     
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    QuantaCura Rejoice always.

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    Yep.

    And this sums up why I'm against abstract art for this kind of thing. Modern and abstract art by its very nature is incredibly subjective. That whole movement in art intended to portray a subjective experience or perception of some object or event, rather than striving to portray an objective truth. Sure, the artist and maybe a few other people will get it (and few more will pretend to), but the rest will just see a mess.

    Modern church architecture suffers from the same problem. If you read some of the architectss explanations, some have good Catholic ideas intended in the work, but they're the only ones who can recognize them. The rest of us regular folks just see a spaceship or a slug or theater or a warehouse or a myriad of other things--or nothing at all--all depending on the individual and which do nothing to lift our hearts to any objective truth. Here's an example of what I mean using a still life of a bouquet of flowers. Everyone knows what the first is. In the second, its anyone's guess as to what is going on, even though its essentially the same thing:

    http://www.artexpertswebsite.com/pages/artists/artists_l-z/roesen/Roesen_FloralStillLifeWith%20NestOfEggs.jpg

    http://www.modernart-painting.com/images/modern_art_paintings_21st.-merello._some_flowers(130x81).jpg

    The same can be said about Mary. Put her in clown makeup and people are going to think clowns. The same emotion can be expressed in an univocal manner instead as is done in most Passion plays where there is no confusion. There's no need to throw in a clown-Mary.
     
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    I don't like mimes either. :p
     
  19. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    Not if its good art.

    The feeling of sadness, joy and happiness are felt by those who observe the art and are open to it.


    The objective truth is that the Blessed Mother felt the deep sorry seeing her son, being crucified, as the artist portrayed in the clown stations.

    Even in traditional art, there is an expression being given through the artist eyes and hands. Its not absolutely what the characters in the art felt, but neither are the images actually those of the characters whom we've never seen.

    Also, as we deepen in our prayer life, the images of Christ portrayed in traditional are, have to be discarded for they're the image created by the artist and not Christ.

    We need to begin to experience God as He realy is, not as we imagine him.

    However, in impressionist art forms, what is expressed is human feelings and although these are also not exact, they the common feelings human beings feel.


    Not to me. Most modern Church architecture made Church worship more practicale and comfortable.

    It especially made it more accessible for all. When my father became a parapalegic back in 1964, his days of attending Mass ended, for he couldn't get in to any of the old style cathedral styled churchs.





    You're confusing modern art with impressionist art.


    In the picture of Mary in the clown stations, I didn't think clown. What I felt looking at the impression of her was the sorry she felt.

    The bottom line is, its a matter of personal taste in art, and not that its wrong.

    Jim
     
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    :eek:

    What! You don't agree with every article you post!

    ^_^
     
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